Promising engines 3000+ ELO not Stockfish derivatives

[amanjpro]

Let's see-
Someone compiled Zahak for Android, and Alex presented some results here...
It's a legal issue now?
I guess Amanj will have to obtain a lawyer and file a complaint.
Perhaps you'll represent him?

Honestly such a bunch of nonsense over such a ridiculously trivial thing...it's laughable.
I've never seen anybody cry like this (or at all) because their release on github was compiled by a 3rd party.

Amanj - This seems to be personal, and about Alex...you're awfully quick to attack him, like several others in this forum.
It certainly doesn't bolster my respect for you.

Not sure if you really don't understand, or you act as one.
I haven't asked him not to use it. I haven't asked him anything of that sort. I have asked him to publish the results as Zahak 9.0-Compiled by Whoever compiled it, because for Zahak 9 to be compiled to Android some code alteration needs to happen (which means the end result is not 100% Zahak 9.0).
And, this is probably my last post here. I retired from chess programming.

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[connor_mcmonigle]

Let's see-
Someone compiled Zahak for Android, and Alex presented some results here...
It's a legal issue now?
I guess Amanj will have to obtain a lawyer and file a complaint.
Perhaps you'll represent him?

Honestly such a bunch of nonsense over such a ridiculously trivial thing...it's laughable.
I've never seen anybody cry like this (or at all) because their release on github was compiled by a 3rd party.

Amanj - This seems to be personal, and about Alex...you're awfully quick to attack him, like several others in this forum.
It certainly doesn't bolster my respect for you.

Vernon, you're the one who made the nonsense argument that Zahak's MIT license somehow grants Alex the "latitude" to misrepresent Zahak's strength and refer to some unknown engine as "Zahak 9.0". You're the one who attempted to make this a legal issue.

As you seem to have jumped into this discussion without context, here's the situation:
Zahak 9.0 contains x86 assembly which makes it impossible to generate an ARM compile without substantial modifications. Therefore, whatever Alex has, which he claims to be Zahak 9.0, cannot be a genuine Zahak 9.0 compile. Amanj pointed this out to Alex and requested he rename the binary in his tournament accordingly so as to avoid confusion. I don't think anyone, in good faith, can claim this to be an unreasonable request. Rather than complying, instead Alex chose to inform Amanj that he should just be grateful to have engine tested. This is especially laughable given what Alex does can hardly be considered testing and, furthermore, Amanj did not express any desire for Alex to "test" his engine.

You seem to have a remarkable penchant for choosing the wrong sides of arguments.

[Vernon Crawford]

As you seem to have jumped into this discussion without context, here's the situation:
Zahak 9.0 contains x86 assembly which makes it impossible to generate an ARM compile without substantial modifications.

So the modifications were made (to open source) and now it runs on Android...
That's a good thing. Isn't it?

Nothing to cry about in my book, it's childish IMO...unless you need a reason to unfairly attack another member.
For ex: chessqueen, who is ganged up on (by you as well)...disgraceful.

Alex frequently posts about SF derivatives, I don't think Amanj's attitude towards him is coincidence.
He obviously needs a break to come down to earth a bit. Perhaps you as well?

[connor_mcmonigle]

As you seem to have jumped into this discussion without context, here's the situation:
Zahak 9.0 contains x86 assembly which makes it impossible to generate an ARM compile without substantial modifications.

So the modifications were made (to open source) and now it runs on Android...
That's a good thing. Isn't it?

Nothing to cry about in my book, unless you need a reason to unfairly attack an oft-attacked member (chessqueen for ex).
Alex frequently post about SF derivatives, I don't think it' a coincidence.

If you're too lazy to even finish reading my condensed explanation, then I see no point in continuing this discussion. You fundamentally misunderstand the situation.

[Vernon Crawford]

If you're too lazy to even finish reading my condensed explanation, then I see no point in continuing this discussion. You fundamentally misunderstand the situation.

Unlike you, I'm open-minded and therefore simply understand the situation from a different perspective.
I don't appreciate pretentious posters (holy author or not) who eagerly and mercilessly criticize Alex and Chessqueen for the most trivial of reasons, just so they can feel smart and feed their needy egos.

How about a little human compassion, understanding, and far less petty & judgmental attitudes?

[dkappe]

If you're too lazy to even finish reading my condensed explanation, then I see no point in continuing this discussion. You fundamentally misunderstand the situation.

He has 24 posts and not a one is about chess or chess engines. Blocked. Surprise me, Vern. Maybe someone will tell me to unblock you because you’ve posted something amazing.

[Rebel]

I been here since its foundation in 1997. There is an unwritten rule you don't go against an express wish of the programmer. For instance, if a programmer asks please CEGT and CCRL (or in general) don't test this engine because..... then CEGT and CCRL won't. It's not that CEGT or CCRL are not allowed, it's about respect.

[Vernon Crawford]

I been here since its foundation in 1997. There is an unwritten rule you don't go against an express wish of the programmer. For instance, if a programmer asks please CEGT and CCRL (or in general) don't test this engine because..... then CEGT and CCRL won't. It's not that CEGT or CCRL are not allowed, it's about respect.

Respect should go both ways.
for ex: see how Chessqueen, Alex, & Slywy (recently) are treated here

[Rebel]

I been here since its foundation in 1997. There is an unwritten rule you don't go against an express wish of the programmer. For instance, if a programmer asks please CEGT and CCRL (or in general) don't test this engine because..... then CEGT and CCRL won't. It's not that CEGT or CCRL are not allowed, it's about respect.

Respect should go both ways.
for ex: see how Chessqueen, Alex, & Slywy (recently) are treated here

Don't change the subject. Right now we are talking about the treatment of the Zahak author.

[AlexChess]

Let's see-
Someone compiled Zahak for Android, and Alex presented some results here...
It's a legal issue now?
I guess Amanj will have to obtain a lawyer and file a complaint.
Perhaps you'll represent him?

Honestly such a bunch of nonsense over such a ridiculously trivial thing...it's laughable.
I've never seen anybody cry like this (or at all) because their release on github was compiled by a 3rd party.

Amanj - This seems to be personal, and about Alex...you're awfully quick to attack him, like several others in this forum.
It certainly doesn't bolster my respect for you.

Thank you Vernon
TO BE CLEAR I really don't understand Amaji behavior. I have contacted him months ago and he seemed to me a very nice person. I complimented him because on only 6 months Zahak became so strong, while other top engines like Ethereal after 6 years have only been improved a little, I thanked him for the macOS version M1 native, too then simply asked if was possible for him to compile also Ethereal 13 for M1 because the ssse3 build was not working on my system and Grant was very hostile with me. For that he has started to say that I was harassing Grant, Guenter, World. When i have created my own topics they both started to criticize me even here, with off topic posts, like a boring teacher with a child. And now also dkappe is trolling me, too

I can prove what I'm saying because I have kept all his private messages. I will never abandon Talkchess beacause borin trolls are only a minority. Would be so simple (for all) if Talkchess would have and option to ban/block members from reading/commenting our own topics...