Kasparov Cheating

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[BrendanJNorman]

Kasparov, in my view...

Great, brilliant, majestic chess player in his prime.

Awful human being always. Too many shitty stories of arrogance and unnecessary aggression (not OTB)...

Examples:

1. Cheating against Judit (here)
2. Saying re:1993 match "My opponent will be Short, and the match will be Short" at a press conference.
3. Openly calling Shirov a "tourist" at world-class events
4. Crying and accusing Deep Blue team of cheating when he lost in 19 moves (even though by even Fritz 10 standards, DB is probably weak)
5. Numerous times he has been directly and indirectly insulting to Anand (with some praise too), but here is some ridiculous behaviour from Kaparov in Anand's own words, during Vishy's 2012 match

"Of course, some people, like Kasparov, really wanted me to lose. He was even clearly trying to cause it. He was trying to come there, see if he could get under my skin and somehow negatively impact my play. For me, it was especially important not to give him that satisfaction.

I found Kasparov's timing extremely surprising. He came during the sixth round. He was so clearly trying to stir something up about my play. I felt his sympathies were obvious."

The list goes on and on, and IMO, stains his beautiful record at one of the greatest chess players ever.

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I still think chess should be a gentleman's game - is the handshake at the beginning just for show?

[ThomasMiller]

4. Crying and accusing Deep Blue team of cheating when he lost in 19 moves (even though by even Fritz 10 standards, DB is probably weak)

I never liked Kasparov's attitude towards the Deep Blue team. Instead of congratulating he embarrassed them with innuendos during postgame press conferences. "Yesterday something was different"....

[JohnW]

Personally I wouldn't label it "cheating" any more than stepping out of bounds in a sporting event is "cheating". Cheating would be if he was secretly using a computer or getting advice from someone else which would be absurd in both cases. In my opinion Kasparov wouldn't have any motive to deliberately cheat against Judit Polgar because if you look at their game history he won almost every time. The database that comes with Fritz 17 shows Kasparov beating Judit Polgar 10.5-2.5

[Cornfed]

Personally I wouldn't label it "cheating" any more than stepping out of bounds in a sporting event is "cheating". Cheating would be if he was secretly using a computer or getting advice from someone else which would be absurd in both cases. In my opinion Kasparov wouldn't have any motive to deliberately cheat against Judit Polgar because if you look at their game history he won almost every time. The database that comes with Fritz 17 shows Kasparov beating Judit Polgar 10.5-2.5

Right 'cheating' is too far. In the pressure of the moment you may not even realize your hand left the piece....the 'out of bounds' comment is spot on.
Kaspy was (is) still too 'intense'...too inside his own head during a game - not someone to be trusted either.

[Branko Radovanovic]

Personally I wouldn't label it "cheating" any more than stepping out of bounds in a sporting event is "cheating". Cheating would be if he was secretly using a computer or getting advice from someone else which would be absurd in both cases. In my opinion Kasparov wouldn't have any motive to deliberately cheat against Judit Polgar because if you look at their game history he won almost every time. The database that comes with Fritz 17 shows Kasparov beating Judit Polgar 10.5-2.5

Right 'cheating' is too far. In the pressure of the moment you may not even realize your hand left the piece....the 'out of bounds' comment is spot on.

I'd agree "cheating" is strictly speaking an overstatement. It can't really be called that because it presumably wasn't premeditated, as Kasparov had nothing to gain from touching the piece.

However, in sports with a high standard of conduct, being aware of committing an infraction, yet refusing to acknowledge it, is considered unsportsmanlike and is seen as tantamount to cheating.

One such example comes from snooker: https://snookerhq.com/2020/07/28/liang- ... ooker-win/. Note Liang was accused of cheating not because he deliberately fouled, or denied committing a foul, but merely because he didn't immediately call a foul on himself. If only standard of conduct in chess were this high...

[Paloma]

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It seems to be this position:
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[fen]3rnrk1/1bq1bppp/pp1p3B/2n1pP2/P3P3/1NN2BQ1/1PP3PP/R4R1K b - - 0 17[/fen]
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Judith's Knight's on b3, c3 and white's Bishop on h6
Four Black pieces on 8th rank.

Kasparov moves his Queen to c6 then back to c7 (i think)

continuation was then Nd7

[towforce]

Personally I wouldn't label it "cheating" any more than stepping out of bounds in a sporting event is "cheating". Cheating would be if he was secretly using a computer or getting advice from someone else which would be absurd in both cases. In my opinion Kasparov wouldn't have any motive to deliberately cheat against Judit Polgar because if you look at their game history he won almost every time. The database that comes with Fritz 17 shows Kasparov beating Judit Polgar 10.5-2.5

Right 'cheating' is too far. In the pressure of the moment you may not even realize your hand left the piece....the 'out of bounds' comment is spot on.

+1. It didn't cause anyone any serious harm, and the event happened 27 years ago: people should get over it and move on.

[Ajedrecista]

Hello:

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It seems to be this position:
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[fen]3rnrk1/1bq1bppp/pp1p3B/2n1pP2/P3P3/1NN2BQ1/1PP3PP/R4R1K b - - 0 17[/fen]
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Judith's Knight's on b3, c3 and white's Bishop on h6
Four Black pieces on 8th rank.

Kasparov moves his Queen to c6 then back to c7 (i think)

continuation was then Nd7

I did a bit of research. The best selling newspaper in Spain covered the game (first link) and raised the question a week later (second link):

Kasparov ganó a Polgar con apuros.

El vídeo de una supuesta infracción de Gari Kasparov crispa el ambiente.

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1070704

The video was extracted from a documentary of 2020 in Spanish language called «Judit contra todos» ('Judit against everybody'):



A 3-minute footage of this documentary was retweeted by Judit herself. The 44-minute full documentary can be seen and downloaded here:

Judit contra todos (2020)

https://comunicacion.movistarplus.es/wp ... OLGAR0.mp4 (Download of the video with right click and 'Save video as...'; size: 3.1 GB). The video is hosted by a well known Spanish subscription platform.

The documentary is mainly in Spanish language, but Judit speaks in English and there are subtitles in Spanish when needed. The incident is covered from minute 33:00 more less and Judit tells that Kasparov moved the knight (not the queen as suggested above) to other square before thinking better. The Spanish GM Illescas also appears in the documentary. Enjoy!

Regards from Spain.

Ajedrecista.

[Paloma]

Thanks,

to be correct, it was Black's 36th move.
He moved the Nd7 first to c5, but then to f8

36.Cd2 Cf8 (Kaspárov estuvo a punto de jugar Cc5)

https://elpais.com/diario/1994/03/02/de ... 50215.html


while my above described Pos. was after white's 17. move (Kasparov still had his jacket on).

By move 36 he had already taken off his jacket.

quote:
Kasparov took off his jacket when he saw that Karpov had won. With five minutes for eight moves,
the Baku ogre fired up his brain cells, but he over-revved, played a knight, realized at the
last instant that this move was a losing move, and had to put it on a passive square.
When he made the last move of the control, he omitted an easy win; he had only a few seconds left.
In spite of everything, the Russian found himself in a still winning position: "I was a bit lucky,"
he admitted afterwards.

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