Freestyle Chess is Coming Home

[Ozymandias]

You always play to the last stone and hope that your opponents will make absolutely stupid mistakes, but you see no point in continuing to play in my position. Bravo! There's no point in arguing with you.

I kept playing two games with superiority, extra pawn and Knight vs pawn. I got two worthless bonuses. You played from a total drawn position expecting... what you got?

I have a fundamental problem with the tournament. I haven't gotten around to evaluating the other games yet, but mine.

Ozymandias was luckier than me. His opponents even played 1.b3. But even then he couldn't win a game.

It shows, making generalizations about a tournament, without taking a look at what others played is surely the way to go.

Luck? You must be joking, you got a free point mate. 1 b3 is as much a draw as anything else. I bet you a $100 I can play it against you without problems.

[Eduard]

In the two games I would have been ashamed to play like that. You had nothing. The one pawn was worth more against your knight than your knight. Your opponent could immediately promote to queen, and then there was queen against your knight on the board. Objectively, you were therefore in a worse position.

I won't argue with you further because you are incapable of objectively judging positions.

Keep your bet to yourself, if we should play against each other then so be it and we'll see what happens.

The fact is that no one was better than another. You neither!

There were wins due to timeout, missing, and gross errors (mouse errors or similar).
This was due to the playing styles of most players (including you, me and Arno).

The risk wasn't there. The fear of being down a pawn at the end of a game influenced the openings chosen.

Why do you and Arno always have played e5 on 1 e4 and d5 against 1.d4? Because that's the best with the new rules.

I've seen enough to judge. And it will be even more blatant when the next tournament will lack some people who didn't appear in games and when the people you won (stalemate) against with simple tricks deal more intensively with the new rules. Then comes the total draw death and there will only be boring e4e5 and d4d5 games. Have a nice day.

[Ozymandias]

In the two games I would have been ashamed to play like that. You had nothing. The one pawn was worth more against your knight than your knight. Your opponent could immediately promote to queen, and then there was queen against your knight on the board. Objectively, you were therefore in a worse position.

I won't argue with you further because you are incapable of objectively judging positions.

I thought you weren't going to argue with me anymore, and yet... BTW, it's not just my judging of the position, Arno's report describes the game accurately, but I guess only your judging is valid. The other game speaks for itself, Bishop + pawn vs Bishop. Was the lone Bishop worth more, too?

On the other hand, taking a point from someone who's previously posted in the chat that he had PC problems, when you're already in a totally drawn position... that's beyond shameless.

Keep your bet to yourself, if we should play against each other then so be it and we'll see what happens.

You don't want to put your money were your mouth is, that's OK, some say it's not advisable when it moves below the waistline.

The risk wasn't there. The fear of being down a pawn at the end of a game influenced the openings chosen.

Why do you and Arno always have played e5 on 1 e4 and d5 against 1.d4? Because that's the best with the new rules.

I can't speak for Arno, but I played with black e5 and d5 because I think it's best, new rules or not.

[Eduard]

Which game are you talking about?

As for me, I've always been fair. In my winning game I was able to claim victory after 15 minutes according to the rules! Arno asked me in the chat "do you want it?"! I told him NO. But then my opponent exceeded his normal time and had 0.00 on the clock. If the clock stands like this, you've lost (Or should we turn back the clock? Yes? At what time?). I'm sorry, but I wasn't unfair! So don't be rude to me.

Here are your two games where you have played for a win:

[Event "Freestyle Chess League Qualification To"]
[Site "Infinity Chess"]
[Date "2021.11.13"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Ozymandias"]
[Black "Medusa"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C65"]
[WhiteElo "2656"]
[BlackElo "2500"]
[PlyCount "83"]
[EventDate "2021.??.??"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Nxe4 5. d4 Nd6 6. Bxc6 dxc6 7. dxe5 Nf5
8. Qxd8+ Kxd8 9. h3 Ke8 10. Nc3 h5 11. Bf4 Bb4 12. Rfd1 Be6 13. Ng5 Rh6 14.
Nce4 Bd5 15. b3 f6 16. exf6 gxf6 17. Nh7 Bxe4 18. Bxh6 Bc3 19. Bd2 Bxa1 20.
Rxa1 Kf7 21. Bc3 Nd4 22. Bxd4 Bxh7 23. Rc1 b6 24. f3 a5 25. Bf2 a4 26. Bg3 Ra7
27. a3 c5 28. bxa4 Rxa4 29. Bxc7 Rxa3 30. Bxb6 Rc3 31. Ra1 Bxc2 32. Ra7+ Kg6
33. Rc7 Bd3 34. Rxc5 Rxc5 35. Bxc5 Bf5 36. Kh2 Bd7 37. g4 hxg4 38. fxg4 Bc8 39.
Kg3 f5 40. Kf4 fxg4 41. hxg4 Bxg4 42. Kxg4 1/2-1/2


[fen]2b5/8/6k1/2B5/5KP1/8/8/8 b - - 0 41[/fen]


White is playing for a Stalemate or Material win. Oblekiv this is a joke. Normally nothing works here - unless the opponent doesn't know the new rules!

[Event "Freestyle Chess League Qualification To"]
[Site "Infinity Chess"]
[Date "2021.12.11"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Ozymandias"]
[Black "MiG29"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C77"]
[WhiteElo "2647"]
[BlackElo "2637"]
[PlyCount "179"]
[EventDate "2021.??.??"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3
d5 9. exd5 Nxd5 10. Nxe5 Nxe5 11. Rxe5 c6 12. d3 Bd6 13. Re1 Bf5 14. Qf3 Qh4
15. g3 Qh3 16. Be3 Bxd3 17. Nd2 Qf5 18. Bd4 Rfd8 19. a4 h6 20. Kg2 Rac8 21.
Qxf5 Bxf5 22. Bxd5 cxd5 23. axb5 axb5 24. Ra5 b4 25. c4 Bc7 26. Rxd5 Rxd5 27.
cxd5 Rd8 28. Bc5 Rxd5 29. Bxb4 f6 30. Nc4 Rd4 31. b3 Be4+ 32. Kg1 Bc6 33. Rc1
Bb5 34. Kf1 Kf7 35. Ke1 g5 36. Bd2 Bb8 37. Rc3 h5 38. Be3 Rd7 39. Nb6 Rd8 40.
Rc5 Be8 41. Ra5 Bd6 42. Ra7+ Kg6 43. Nc4 Bb4+ 44. Bd2 Bc5 45. Ra5 Bd4 46. Ke2
Rb8 47. Rd5 Ba1 48. Nd6 Bc6 49. Rc5 Bd7 50. b4 Be5 51. Nc4 Ba1 52. Ra5 Re8+ 53.
Ne3 Be5 54. Kd3 Bc7 55. Rc5 Bb6 56. Rd5 Bc6 57. Rd6 Bb5+ 58. Kc3 Bc7 59. Rd5
Re5 60. Rxe5 Bxe5+ 61. Kb3 Bd4 62. Nd1 Be2 63. Nc3 Bf1 64. Be3 Be5 65. f4 gxf4
66. Bxf4 Bd4 67. Nd5 Kf5 68. Be3 Be5 69. Bf4 Bd4 70. Bc7 Bb5 71. Nf4 Bg1 72. h3
Kg5 73. Kc3 Ba6 74. h4+ Kg4 75. Nd5 Kf5 76. Bb6 Bxb6 77. Nxb6 Kg4 78. Nd5 f5
79. Ne3+ Kxg3 80. Nxf5+ Kg4 81. Nd6 Kxh4 82. b5 Bxb5 83. Nxb5 Kg3 84. Kd3 h4
85. Ke2 Kg2 86. Nc3 h3 87. Ne4 h2 88. Nf2 Kg1 89. Nh1 Kxh1 90. Kf2 1/2-1/2



[fen]8/8/8/8/8/8/4KNkp/8 b - - 0 88[/fen]


Who ist better objekiv? Black can instantly promote to a queen and is then objectively queen against knight.

[Eduard]

If there are no simple tricks involved here, then there are none. The new league will be called the Freestyle Champions League. If something like that happens there, you should rename the league to the Blunder League. haha.

[Ozymandias]

Which game are you talking about?

As for me, I've always been fair. In my winning game I was able to claim victory after 15 minutes according to the rules! Arno asked me in the chat "do you want it?"! I told him NO. But then my opponent exceeded his normal time and had 0.00 on the clock. If the clock stands like this, you've lost (Or should we turn back the clock? Yes? At what time?). I'm sorry, but I wasn't unfair! So don't be rude to me.

Here are your two games where you have played for a win:

[...]

Who ist better objekiv? Black can instantly promote to a queen and is then objectively queen against knight.

I'm talking about those games exactly. In both of them I was better, the position you post, the only one where black can gain material advantage for a whole ply could only be reached because I allowed it, after seeing what Arno also saw in the report. I don't expect you to see it, but at least refrrain from being facetious.

As for your game, you should have drawn that, we all see that. The rule that says you can claim a victory if you're opponent doesn't show is for tournament manageability, it doesn't exclude personal ethic behavior (some went for the point, Kevin didn't). Your case is in that category too.

[marsell]

When the time runs out, you have lost. If there are rules, the TD should not ask whether someone is in agreement or not, but decide for himself after the rules.
What else would rules be good for?

[Uri Blass]

[pgn][Event "Freestyle"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Solista"]
[Black "Arkhein"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[PlyCount "21"]
[FEN "6k1/6p1/4p3/4b1Np/8/1R4KP/6P1/5r2 w - - 0 44"]

44.Kh4 g6 45.Nxe6 Bf6+
( 45...Kf7 46.Rf3+ Rxf3 47.Ng5+ Kg8 48.Nxf3 )
46.Kg3 Kf7 47.Nf4 Be5 48.Rf3 Rxf3+
( 48...h4+ 49.Kg4 Rxf3 50.gxf3 Bxf4
( 50...Bf6 51.Ng2 g5 52.Kf5 )
51.Kxf4 Kf6 52.Kg4 g5 53.f4 gxf4 54.Kxf4 )
49.Kxf3 Bxf4 50.Kxf4 Kf6 1-0
[/pgn]
I don't see the point in advancing the h-pawn, what about exchanging the pieces and gaining the opposition? Am I missing something?

The point is that maybe the opponent follow the computer move that say it is a draw and does not know the new rules.
You also won games when the opponent did a mistake only because the opponent did not know the rules or played the engine move without thinking about them.

Eduard is right and I see no difference between playing in the hope for a mistake and the fact that you continued and won by material or by stalemate in games.

[Eduard]

I saw a line where a mistake could have happened if my opponent h4?! would have played. I wanted to be shown that, that my opponent doesn't play like that.

I just want to say that I legitimately wanted to play a few more moves when my opponent lost the connection.

[Eduard]

When the time runs out, you have lost. If there are rules, the TD should not ask whether someone is in agreement or not, but decide for himself after the rules.
What else would rules be good for?

I actually don't see the player being able to claim a win or not here:

Rule:
(1) In the event a participant suffers a disconnection from the chess server and the server does not reconnect automatically and the participant does not reconnect, he shall be informed via email and be given 10 minutes from the time of notification to return to and continue his game.
If he does not return within 10 minutes after notification a time penalty of 15 minutes applies, which might last in a lost game except from a "dead drawn" or "winning" position according the decision of the TD. In both those cases the game will be ruled a draw by the TD.
If the participant did not return after 15 minutes (though having been informed by the TD) he shall forfeit the game.
Alternately, if a participant suffers 3 disconnections during a game, even if he returns from the first two disconnects in less than 10 minutes, he shall automatically forfeit the game immediately at the instant of the 3rd disconnect, with a win granted to his opponent (with the only exception that the opponent has not sufficient material to win the game; e.g. only king left, then the TD would have to rule a draw). The TD is the only person who may issue rulings relating to the 10 minute period.

As it stands, the TD should have decided on a win for me, without asking me whether I wanted to win like this or not.