Commercial Release of Ethereal 13.50

[amanjpro]

Congrats on the new release & the Elo gain...

I appreciate commercial engines (especially Komodo, Shredder, & Hiarcs),
but with all the bugs, the unprofessionalism, and the fact that you come across somewhat arrogant
https://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic. ... 3&start=44
is a real turnoff.

I think I'll pass.

They say if you don't have something nice to say, then keep quiet. Your posts are all attacking, can you be nice please? Or this is too much to ask?

[Vernon Crawford]

You won't change this guy in a lifetime so better just ignore him.

You too please read more carefully.

You write nonsense

I am looking for information about engines Nemorino - rofChade. I mean the latest versions of these engines. Thank you in advance for any information.

LMGTFY:

https://bfy.tw/SOoq

and

https://bfy.tw/SOos

Luca Dormio (G6_GROUP) kindly helped me to link LarsenVB to my Visual Basic 6.0 GUI.

Sorry Alex, this sentence alone tells me that you know nothing about programming.

Then fix your mistake. And be more careful about what you post next time.

They say if you don't have something nice to say, then keep quiet. Your posts are all attacking, can you be nice please? Or this is too much to ask?

There's a lot more, but I'm getting tired of searching for it.
My advice to you: shut up and mind your own business.

I don't know who 'they' are, but perhaps it's good to heed your own advice before preaching to others...

[amanjpro]

You won't change this guy in a lifetime so better just ignore him.

You too please read more carefully.

You write nonsense

You chose to see this, but not the fact that it was a reply to him writing the same exact thing to me earlier?

forum3/viewtopic.php?p=918916#p918916

Calm down guys, version 13.50 is early access. It has not been released, and it has a possible bug Andrew is working on to fix

You write nonsense.

[Guenther]

Congrats on the new release & the Elo gain...

I appreciate commercial engines (especially Komodo, Shredder, & Hiarcs),
but with all the bugs, the unprofessionalism, and the fact that you come across somewhat arrogant
https://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic. ... 3&start=44
is a real turnoff.

I think I'll pass.

They say if you don't have something nice to say, then keep quiet. Your posts are all attacking, can you be nice please? Or this is too much to ask?

[AndrewGrant]

...

A couple of questions; answers may benefit others:

a) assuming the CPU can handle all, which of the included compiles is best? I suspect avx2, but then what about pext-avx2?
b) would bmi2 be another option or is it equivalent to one of the included versions?

...

AVX2 will significantly outperform AVX. AVX will mildly outperform SSSE3.

PEXT/BMI2 will out perform POPCNT on support Intel machines, and AMD Ryzen 5XXX series chips. Earlier Ryzens like the 3XXX, 2XXX, and 1XXX series will BE MUCH SLOWER if using PEXT/BMI2, due to well known issues surrounding the instruction set.

[AndrewGrant]

...
... but with all the bugs...
...

To be clear, there was exactly one bug, uncovered thanks to giving rating lists a pre-release. The bug has been fix, and thoroughly explained such that it will not appear again. Ethereal is, and has long been, an incredibly stable engine. Between hundreds of millions of games on OpenBench (if not billions), and tens of thousands of games at Rating Lists, and continuous events hosted by Chess.com's CCC as well as TCEC, Ethereal has remained crashless through all of it. The only time Ethereal has ever crashed at an event or a rating list, to my knowledge, was one event at TCEC where the Syzygy files had been corrupted.

I have no reason to believe that there are any bugs in Ethereal that would cause crashes, time losses, or otherwise substandard play. It is unlikely such an issue would arise, due to the high standards of testing that go into changes made to Ethereal. If any such issue were to appear, it would be addressed, and users would be updated. Something that other commercial engines have done in the past.

I'm not interested in addressing the rest of your message. Others can decide for themselves whether it is appropriate to allow 3rd party pre-release testing.

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hi Vernon,

arrogant is not the right word.
"Very proud" for the own and strong work he do is more right.

What I can't understand is:
Andrew claim the sources of Fire with very hard words and made his own, the newer work around Ethereal, closed.
Not important Ethereal is today a commercial engine or not.

That's for an user like me not esay to understand.
I wish me more the handshake between programmers.

Most problems in computerchess we have with "to accept".
Means, the opinions by others.

I have nothing against Andrew and his engine Ethereal but I dislike to give a commercial version, before release for customers, to people working on rating-systems. I remember on all the discussions (a programmer do the same for more as 20 years) and all the work I had with it (I am involved).

All the bad expierence I have with "private" engines.
"Red alarm" in my brain ... with easy words.

But this have nothing to do with Andrew but I can't understand what Andrew do here.
Can't see any strategy can be logic for myself.

So the final result is not "arrogant" ... the final result is that Andrew different things dislike from the view of a very proud programmer. And this is OK (produced many strong points Andrew have), but after all ...

I will give you an example what is arrogant?
What I do in a discussion with the programmer from TheBaron for many years.
And why I do that ... I am blind for all the work I had around Arena support.

To accept the opinions by others is for most people in the World we life not easy but often to understand.

Best
Frank

[AndrewGrant]

Andrew claim the sources of Fire with very hard words and made his own, newer work around Ethereal closed.

Ethereal remains open source, Frank. Only the Network weights themselves are private. Please don't spread any more misinformation.

[Frank Quisinsky]

Andrew, sorry!
You are right!

And sorry for my messages to your new commercial version.
But I hope now that my view is maybe better to understand for yourself.

Best and again ...
Have success with Ethereral (honestly opinion) and keep up the good work you do!

[kasinp]

...

A couple of questions; answers may benefit others:

a) assuming the CPU can handle all, which of the included compiles is best? I suspect avx2, but then what about pext-avx2?
b) would bmi2 be another option or is it equivalent to one of the included versions?

...

AVX2 will significantly outperform AVX. AVX will mildly outperform SSSE3.

PEXT/BMI2 will out perform POPCNT on support Intel machines, and AMD Ryzen 5XXX series chips. Earlier Ryzens like the 3XXX, 2XXX, and 1XXX series will BE MUCH SLOWER if using PEXT/BMI2, due to well known issues surrounding the instruction set.

Thanks Andrew!