Can Komodo give 2 pawns to this 16 years old Prodigy?

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Can Komodo give 2 pawns to this 16 years old Prodigy?

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I do not Know if Komodo can give this 16 years old prodigy the f2 + either b2 or c2 pawn odds, now I am NOT too sure that it can?
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Re: Can Komodo give 2 pawns to this 16 years old Prodigy?

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Chessqueen wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 7:03 pm I do not Know if Komodo can give this 16 years old prodigy the f2 + either b2 or c2 pawn odds, now I am NOT too sure that it can?
I also read that Pragg gave a Knight odds to a 1900 player and defeated him. :roll:
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Re: Can Komodo give 2 pawns to this 16 years old Prodigy?

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Odd matches where a piece is taken off are not really revealing. Basically you are just hoping the other side blunders. On the other hand I think pawn odds make some sense as it completely changes the dynamics of the game and you could say that giving the pawn gives some compensation to the other side if they play into that compensation. It is up to the weaker side to nullify whatever compensation there was and up to the stronger side to maximize and accelerate whatever compensation it gets. Even a top GM like Nakamura or Carlsen would have a tough time giving pawn odds to SF or Leela. But a piece ... I think that just depends on the weaker side playing poorly rather than the stronger side playing well.
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Re: Can Komodo give 2 pawns to this 16 years old Prodigy?

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M ANSARI wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 8:00 am Odd matches where a piece is taken off are not really revealing. Basically you are just hoping the other side blunders. On the other hand I think pawn odds make some sense as it completely changes the dynamics of the game and you could say that giving the pawn gives some compensation to the other side if they play into that compensation. It is up to the weaker side to nullify whatever compensation there was and up to the stronger side to maximize and accelerate whatever compensation it gets. Even a top GM like Nakamura or Carlsen would have a tough time giving pawn odds to SF or Leela. But a piece ... I think that just depends on the weaker side playing poorly rather than the stronger side playing well.
There is a long tradition in chess of giving pawn odds (always the "f" pawn so as not to give the stronger player any extra piece activity) combined with move odds. Normally the odds scale went draw odds, pawn (f2) odds, pawn and move (remove f7 pawn), pawn and two moves (remove f7, play e4, and WTM), pawn and three moves (remove f7, play e4 and d4, WTM), and only after that knight odds. Each move is worth a lot with the "f" pawn missing. So far no one has ever won a single game from Komodo on record at pawn, pawn and move, or pawn and two move odds (there have been plenty of games with grandmasters, roughly half drawn, half won by Komodo), but with pawn and three moves even I can sometimes win and draw with Komodo Dragon. But we've only had two games where Komodo gave pawn and two moves to a super-GM (Nakamura and MVL), both ending in draws I believe, so perhaps this is a competitive handicap for such players in Rapid. It's probably slightly larger than two White pawns like f2 plus c2. This was a very popular handicap two centuries ago.
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