Koivisto 8.0
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Re: Koivisto 8.0
Fantastic progress even if all test done 8 + 0,08 level! Difference to SF14 exatly 200 ELO now. But there is nobody between them.
Jouni
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- Full name: Ed Schröder
Re: Koivisto 8.0
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Running : gauntlet Koivisto 8.0
Time Control : Time control : 40/120 - average CCRL 40/2 rating 3443
Games : 1400
Results from file gauntlet-Koivisto-80.pgn:
No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games %
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1 Koivisto 8.0 +234 =867 -299 *0 667.5 1400 47.7%
2 Stockfish 14.1 +95 =101 -4 *0 145.5 200 72.8%
3 Komodo-Dragon 2.5 +69 =119 -12 *0 128.5 200 64.2%
4 Komodo-Dragon 2 +44 =124 -32 *0 106.0 200 53.0%
5 Ethereal 13.50-NNUE +30 =133 -37 *0 96.5 200 48.2%
6 Berserk 8.5.1 +27 =138 -35 *0 96.0 200 48.0%
7 SlowChess 2.8 +21 =122 -57 *0 82.0 200 41.0%
8 RubiChess 20220223 +13 =130 -57 *0 78.0 200 39.0%
Total Games: 1400
White Wins: 247 (17.6%)
Black Wins: 286 (20.4%)
Draws: 867 (61.9%)
Unfinished: 0 (0.0%)
Estimated ratings for this elo 3443 pool
# PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%)
1 Stockfish 14.1 : 3599.2 145.5 200 73
2 Komodo-Dragon 2.5 : 3529.8 128.5 200 64
3 Komodo-Dragon 2 : 3448.1 106.0 200 53
4 Koivisto 8.0 : 3427.1 667.5 1400 48
5 Ethereal 13.50-NNUE : 3414.8 96.5 200 48
6 Berserk 8.5.1 : 3413.0 96.0 200 48
7 SlowChess 2.8 : 3363.3 82.0 200 41
8 RubiChess 20220223 : 3348.7 78.0 200 39
GRL elo rating Koivisto 7.9 : 3499
GRL elo rating Koivisto 8.0 : 3547
Progress : +48
Incredible on this level.
Good looking and informative website also.
My compliments.
90% of coding is debugging, the other 10% is writing bugs.
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Re: Koivisto 8.0
Awesome results and thank you very muchRebel wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:32 amTranslated to the Gambit Rating ListCode: Select all
Running : gauntlet Koivisto 8.0 Time Control : Time control : 40/120 - average CCRL 40/2 rating 3443 Games : 1400 Results from file gauntlet-Koivisto-80.pgn: No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % ---------------------------------------------------------------- 1 Koivisto 8.0 +234 =867 -299 *0 667.5 1400 47.7% 2 Stockfish 14.1 +95 =101 -4 *0 145.5 200 72.8% 3 Komodo-Dragon 2.5 +69 =119 -12 *0 128.5 200 64.2% 4 Komodo-Dragon 2 +44 =124 -32 *0 106.0 200 53.0% 5 Ethereal 13.50-NNUE +30 =133 -37 *0 96.5 200 48.2% 6 Berserk 8.5.1 +27 =138 -35 *0 96.0 200 48.0% 7 SlowChess 2.8 +21 =122 -57 *0 82.0 200 41.0% 8 RubiChess 20220223 +13 =130 -57 *0 78.0 200 39.0% Total Games: 1400 White Wins: 247 (17.6%) Black Wins: 286 (20.4%) Draws: 867 (61.9%) Unfinished: 0 (0.0%) Estimated ratings for this elo 3443 pool # PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%) 1 Stockfish 14.1 : 3599.2 145.5 200 73 2 Komodo-Dragon 2.5 : 3529.8 128.5 200 64 3 Komodo-Dragon 2 : 3448.1 106.0 200 53 4 Koivisto 8.0 : 3427.1 667.5 1400 48 5 Ethereal 13.50-NNUE : 3414.8 96.5 200 48 6 Berserk 8.5.1 : 3413.0 96.0 200 48 7 SlowChess 2.8 : 3363.3 82.0 200 41 8 RubiChess 20220223 : 3348.7 78.0 200 39
GRL elo rating Koivisto 7.9 : 3499
GRL elo rating Koivisto 8.0 : 3547
Progress : +48
Incredible on this level.
Good looking and informative website also.
My compliments.

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Re: Koivisto 8.0
Integrated in my CECSA script. Best performance achieved with clang and PGO on Android. Engine crashes on the very first move in Chess fo Android, but it works witout any issues in DroidFish.
Koivisto 8.0 for Android:
https://app.box.com/s/0flb801mg1hk4csbkroyhuiz0b6kp91s
Koivisto 8.0 for Android:
https://app.box.com/s/0flb801mg1hk4csbkroyhuiz0b6kp91s
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Re: Koivisto 8.0
For online games (Lichess, PlayChess, InfinityChess) it is important to be able to set Move Overhead (because LAG). Thanks.
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Re: Koivisto 8.0
And Ponder would be a big wish too... 

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Re: Koivisto 8.0
Hi Ed,
7.5 is stronger as 7.9!
https://www.amateurschach.de/t-ki/common/ki-ratings.jpg
Koivisto is very strong in endgames.
Move average for won games is very high for the Elo the program have.
Quantity of miniatures is not very high for the level Koivisto have.
The very late mid-games ...
Here the strength explode.
Very interesting style!
Other style as Stockfish, Komodo, Lc0 produced.
Ethereal, Seer and different others have a comparable style to Koivisto I think.
But Koivisto is more danger in endgames.
Seer is stronger in king safty with many pieces on board.
A bit comparable but different I think.
A very young programmer team ...
Hm, I am to old for all that ... the young generation with a perfect example what is possible today.
The new website is nice.
Logo is nice too.

Go Koivisto go ...
My congratulation ... I have fun with Koivisto!
Best
Frank
7.5 is stronger as 7.9!
https://www.amateurschach.de/t-ki/common/ki-ratings.jpg
Koivisto is very strong in endgames.
Move average for won games is very high for the Elo the program have.
Quantity of miniatures is not very high for the level Koivisto have.
The very late mid-games ...
Here the strength explode.
Very interesting style!
Other style as Stockfish, Komodo, Lc0 produced.
Ethereal, Seer and different others have a comparable style to Koivisto I think.
But Koivisto is more danger in endgames.
Seer is stronger in king safty with many pieces on board.
A bit comparable but different I think.
A very young programmer team ...
Hm, I am to old for all that ... the young generation with a perfect example what is possible today.
The new website is nice.
Logo is nice too.

Go Koivisto go ...
My congratulation ... I have fun with Koivisto!
Best
Frank
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Re: Koivisto 8.0
I have noticed the exact same thing! This is a fun example https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-ch ... n&game=150Frank Quisinsky wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:50 pm Koivisto is very strong in endgames.
Move average for won games is very high for the Elo the program have.
Quantity of miniatures is not very high for the level Koivisto have.
The very late mid-games ...
Here the strength explode.
Very interesting style!
Other style as Stockfish, Komodo, Lc0 produced.
Ethereal, Seer and different others have a comparable style to Koivisto I think.
But Koivisto is more danger in endgames.
Seer is stronger in king safty with many pieces on board.
A bit comparable but different I think.
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Re: Koivisto 8.0
If I read Koivisto I am thinking often on Kallisto (program from Bart Westrate, The Netherland).
Maybe one of the most talented programmer at this time the program is available (MS DOS, but a very nice graphic).
Jan Louwman told this often to me.

The style from Koivisto and Kallisto is also a bit comparable.
Each time good for a big surprise during a game with a closed position.
A link to TCEC, not looking on TCEC games.
Here are running 500x 80 minutes games daily.
But a game vs. Ethereal ...
Ethereal is also a very interesting chess engine.
I will have a look later this evening.
Ah ...
I forgot ...
I made a short test on other systems I have.
Can be a bit more as +20 for my KI-ratings ... 8.0 to 7.13 ... for KI-Ratings with 80 minutes per game on 4.4Ghz is +20 again a lot.
Koivisto will be start again in my run-4 ... next months.
Thanks again for Koivisto!
Keep up the good work!
Best
Frank
Maybe one of the most talented programmer at this time the program is available (MS DOS, but a very nice graphic).
Jan Louwman told this often to me.

The style from Koivisto and Kallisto is also a bit comparable.
Each time good for a big surprise during a game with a closed position.
A link to TCEC, not looking on TCEC games.
Here are running 500x 80 minutes games daily.
But a game vs. Ethereal ...
Ethereal is also a very interesting chess engine.
I will have a look later this evening.
Ah ...
I forgot ...
I made a short test on other systems I have.
Can be a bit more as +20 for my KI-ratings ... 8.0 to 7.13 ... for KI-Ratings with 80 minutes per game on 4.4Ghz is +20 again a lot.
Koivisto will be start again in my run-4 ... next months.
Thanks again for Koivisto!
Keep up the good work!
Best
Frank