1.g4 opening is losing?

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Re: 1.g4 opening is losing?

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Lazy_Frank wrote: Mon Mar 21, 2022 10:03 pm 1. g4 d5 2. c4 d4 3. Bg2 c6 4. g5 h6 5. h4 hxg5 6. hxg5 Rxh1 7. Bxh1 Qa5 8.
Nf3 Na6 9. Nxd4 Qxg5 10. Nf3 Qh5 11. Bg2 e5 12. Nc3 f6 {White out of book}
13. Ne4 Qg4 14. Ng3 e4 15. Nd4

[fen]r1b1kbn1/pp4p1/n1p2p2/8/2PNp1q1/6N1/PP1PPPB1/R1BQK3 b Qq - 1 15
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Put a fork in him, he's done:

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r1b1kbn1/pp4p1/n1p2p2/8/2PNp1q1/6N1/PP1PPPB1/R1BQK3 b Qq - acd 60; bm Bd6; ce 349; pm Bd6; pv Bd6 e3 Bxg3 Qxg4 Bxg4 fxg3 Nc5 Bf1 Nh6 b4 Nd3+ Bxd3 exd3 Bb2 Nf7 Kf2 a5 bxa5 Rxa5 e4 Nd6 Nb3 Ra4 e5 Nxc4 Bc3 fxe5 Nc5 Ra3 Bb4 Ra7 a3 b6 Nxd3 Bf5 Ne1 Kd7 d3 Nd6 Nf3 Ke6 Re1 c5 Bd2 Bxd3 Rxe5+ Kd7 Bc1 Kc6 Nd2 Rf7+ Kg2 Bf5 Bb2 Kb5 Re3 Bg4 Bc1 g6 Bb2 Rd7 Bc1 Kc6 Kf2 Rh7 Kg2 Bh3+ Kg1 Rd7 Kf2 Rf7+ Kg1 Kb5 Rb3+ Ka6 Rf3 Bf5 Kf2 Rh7 Re3 g5 Kg1 g4 Bb2 Bd7 Be5 Re7 Bf4 Rxe3 Bxe3 Bf5; id "Grob.xxxx"; move 15b; 
r1b1kbn1/pp4p1/n1p2p2/8/2P1p1q1/5NN1/PP1PPPB1/R1BQK3 w Qq - acd 60; bm Ng1; c3 "Nd4"; ce -246; pm Ng1; pv Ng1 f5 Kf1 Be6 d3 O-O-O Bh3 Qg6 Qc2 Nb4 Qc3 exd3 Bf4 Nc2 Rc1 Bb4 Qb3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qg5 Rd1 Rxd6 exd3 Ne3+ fxe3 Qxg3 Qb4 Nh6 Qe1 Qg5 Rd2 Qd8 b3 Rxd3 Rxd3 Qxd3+ Kf2 Ng4+ Bxg4 fxg4 Qa5 Qc2+ Ne2 g3+ Kf3 Bg4+ Kxg4 Qxe2+ Kxg3 Qxe3+ Kg2 Kd7 Qf5+ Qe6 Qd3+ Kc8 Qg3 Qe4+ Kh3 a6 Qc3 Qf5+ Kg3 Qg6+ Kh3 Qg5 Qd4 Kc7 Qc3 Kb8 Qd4 Kc8 Qc3 Kc7 a4 a5 c5 Kc8 Qxa5 Qe3+ Kg4 Qxb3 Qa8+ Kc7 Qa5+ Kd7 Qd2+ Qd5 Qb4; id "Grob.xxxx"; move 15a; 
r1b1kbn1/pp4p1/n1p2p2/4p3/2P3q1/5NN1/PP1PPPB1/R1BQK3 b Qq - acd 60; bm e4; c3 "e4"; ce 272; pm e4; pv e4 Ng1 f5 Kf1 Be6 Bh3 Qg6 d3 O-O-O Bf4 Nh6 d4 Nf7 d5 Bd7 Qc1 Qf6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd2 g5 Bc3 Qg6 Qc2 Nd6 Bg2 Re8 Rd1 f4 Rxd6 Bxd6 Bxe4 Qe6 Bf5 Qxc4 Ne4 Be7 Bxd7+ Kxd7 Nxg5 Bxg5 Qf5+ Qe6 Qxg5 f3 Nxf3 Qxe2+ Kg2 Qe6 Nd4 Qf7 Qg4+ Kc7 Qf3 Qc4 Nf5 Rg8+ Kh2 Qe6 Ng3 Kb7 Bd4 Nc7 Qf5 Qxa2 Be5 Qe6 Qh7; id "Grob.xxxx"; move 14b; 
r1b1kbn1/pp4p1/n1p2p2/4p3/2P1N1q1/5N2/PP1PPPB1/R1BQK3 w Qq - acd 60; bm Ng3; c3 "Ng3"; ce -262; pm Ng3; pv Ng3 e4 Ng1 f5 Kf1 Be6 d4 exd3 Be3 O-O-O exd3 Qxd1+ Rxd1 Bxc4 N1e2 Bxd3 Bxa7 g6 Kg1 Bc4 Rxd8+ Kxd8 b3 Bf7 Be3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 Nc1 Ng4 Bd2 Nc5 Nge2 Nf6 Bg5 Ke8 Nc3 Nd5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Bxd5 cxd5 Kf1 g5 Ke1 f4 f3 Kf6 b4 d4 Nb5 Na6 a3 Ke5 Ne2 d3 Nec3 Bh5 Ne4 Bxf3 Nxg5 Bc6 Nc3 Kf5 b5; id "Grob.xxxx"; move 14a; 
r1b1kbn1/pp4p1/n1p2p2/4p2q/2P1N3/5N2/PP1PPPB1/R1BQK3 b Qq - acd 60; bm Qg4; c3 "Qg4"; ce 245; pm Qg4; pv Qg4 Ng3 e4 Ng1 f5 Kf1 Be6 Bh3 Qg6 d3 O-O-O Bf4 Nh6 d4 Nf7 d5 Bd7 Qc1 Qf6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd2 g5 Bc3 Qg6 Qc2 Nd6 Bg2 Re8 Rd1 f4 Rxd6 Bxd6 Bxe4 Qe6 Bf5 Qxc4 Ne4 Be7 Nxg5 Bxg5 Bxd7+ Kxd7 Qf5+ Qe6 Qxg5 f3 Nxf3 Qxe2+ Kg2 Qe6 Nd4 Qf7 Qg4+ Kc7 Qf3 Qc4 Nf5 Rg8+ Kh2 Qe6 Ng7 Qd5 Qxd5 cxd5 Kg2 Nb8 f4 Kd6 Kf3 Nc6 Nf5+ Kc5 Bg7 Re8 Kf2 a5 Nh6 d4 f5 d3 Bc3 Re2+ Kf1; id "Grob.xxxx"; move 13b; 
r1b1kbn1/pp4p1/n1p2p2/4p2q/2P5/2N2N2/PP1PPPB1/R1BQK3 w Qq - acd 61; bm Ne4; c3 "Ne4"; ce -203; pm Ne4; pv Ne4 Qg4 Ng3 e4 Ng1 f5 Kf1 Be6 Bh3 Qg6 d3 O-O-O Qc2 exd3 exd3 Nb4 Qe2 Nxd3 Qxe6+ Qxe6 Bxf5 Qxf5 Nxf5 Re8 Nf3 Nf6 Be3 Nxb2 Rc1 Re4 Nd2 Re5 Ng3 Ra5 Ke2 Bc5 Bxc5 Rxc5 Rc2 Re5+ Kf3 Nd3 Rc3 Ne1+ Kf4 Ra5 a3 Ng2+ Kf3 Nh4+ Ke2 b6 Kd3 Re5 Kc2 Nf5 Rd3 Kc7 Nf3 Rc5 Nxf5 Rxf5 Nd4 Rxf2+ Kb3 Nd7 Ne6+ Kc8 Rh3 Rf6 Nxg7 Nc5+ Kc3 Rf7 Nh5 Kb7 Re3 Ka6 Ng3 Ka5 Ne2 Ka4 Kb2 Rf2 Re7 a5; id "Grob.xxxx"; move 13a; 
r1b1kbn1/pp3pp1/n1p5/4p2q/2P5/2N2N2/PP1PPPB1/R1BQK3 b Qq - acd 60; bm f6; c3 "f6"; ce 204; pm f6; pv f6 Ne4 Qg4 Ng3 e4 Ng1 f5 Kf1 Be6 Bh3 Qg6 d3 O-O-O Bf4 Nh6 d4 Bc5 e3 Bxc4+ N1e2 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Nxf5 Qh2 Nd6+ Kb8 Nxc4 Qxh3+ Ke1 c5 Nf4 Qh2 Ne6 Rd7 Qe2 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc5 Rd1 Nd3+ Rxd3 exd3 Qxd3 Qg1+ Ke2 Qg4+ Kd2 Nf7 a4 Nd6 Ne5 Ne4+ Ke1 Qg1+ Qf1 Qxf1+ Kxf1 Rd5 f4 g5 Nd3 Rd8 Kg2 gxf4 Nxf4 Nc5 b3 Rd7 Kf3 Kc7 Ke2 Kd6 Kd2 a6 Nd3 Ne4+ Ke2 Rf7 Nf4 Nc5 Kd2 Rf8 Kc3 Rc8 Kd2 Ke5 Nd3+ Ke4; id "Grob.xxxx"; move 12b; 
r1b1kbn1/pp3pp1/n1p5/4p2q/2P5/5N2/PP1PPPB1/RNBQK3 w Qq - acd 60; bm Nc3; c3 "Nc3"; ce -213; pm Nc3; pv Nc3 f6 Ne4 Qg4 Ng3 e4 Ng1 f5 Kf1 Be6 Bh3 Qg6 d3 O-O-O Bf4 Nh6 d4 Bc5 e3 Bxc4+ N1e2 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Nxf5 Qh2 Nd6+ Kb8 Nxc4 Qxh3+ Ke1 c5 Nf4 Qh2 Ne6 Rd7 Qe2 cxd4 Nxd4 Nb4 Rd1 Nd3+ Rxd3 exd3 Qxd3 Qg1+ Ke2 Qg4+ Kd2 Nf7 a4 Nd6 Ne5 Ne4+ Ke1 Qg1+ Qf1 Qxf1+ Kxf1 Rd5 f4 g5 Nd3 Rd8 b3 Rh8 Kg2 Kc8 Kf3 Nd2+ Kg2 Rd8 fxg5 Nxb3 Ne6 Rg8 Ndf4 Kd7 g6 a5 Ng5 Nc5 Nf7 Ne6 Ne5+ Ke7 Kg3 Nxf4 exf4 b5; id "Grob.xxxx"; move 12a; 
r1b1kbn1/pp2ppp1/n1p5/7q/2P5/5N2/PP1PPPB1/RNBQK3 b Qq - acd 60; bm e5; c3 "e5"; ce 172; pm e5; pv e5 Nc3 f6 Ne4 Qg4 Ng3 e4 Ng1 f5 Kf1 Be6 Bh3 Qg6 d3 O-O-O Bf4 Nh6 d4 Nf7 d5 Bd7 Qc1 Qf6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd2 g5 Bc3 Qg6 Qc2 Nd6 Bg2 Re8 Rd1 f4 Rxd6 Bxd6 Bxe4 Qg8 Nf5 Bc7 Qa4 Rxe4 Qxa6+ Kb8 Bd4 Rxd4 Nxd4 Qg6 Ndf3 Qb1+ Ne1 Qxb2 Nd3 Qd4 f3 Bb6 c5 Bc7 Qa3 a5 Qb3+ Kc8 Qf7 Qd5 Qf8+ Kb7 Qg7 Be6 Qb2+ Ka6 Qh8 Qd8 Qh6 Qd7 Qh8 Ka7 a3 Bf5 Nf2 Qd5 Ngh3 Qxc5 Nxg5 Qxa3 Nge4; id "Grob.xxxx"; move 11b; 
r1b1kbn1/pp2ppp1/n1p5/7q/2P5/5N2/PP1PPP2/RNBQK2B w Qq - acd 60; bm Bg2; c3 "Bg2"; ce -208; pm Bg2; pv Bg2 e5 Nc3 f6 a3 g5 Ng1 Qg4 Kf1 Qxc4 Rb1 Nc7 d3 Qf7 b4 Ne7 b5 Ned5 Nxd5 cxd5 b6 axb6 Rxb6 Bc5 Rb3 Bd6 Rb6 Bxa3 Bxa3 Rxa3 e3 Ra6 Rxa6 bxa6 Ne2 Qe6 Kg1 Bd7 Nc3 Kf7 Qb3 Qc6 e4 Nb5 Ne2 a5 exd5 Qc5 Ng3 f5 d6+ Be6 d7 Bxb3 d8=Q Nd4 Qxg5 Be6 Qh5+ Ke7 Qg5+ Ke8 Qg7 Kd8 Qb7 Bd7 Qa8+ Ke7 Qh8 a4 Nh5 Be6 Qf6+ Kd7 Ng7; id "Grob.xxxx"; move 11a; 
r1b1kbn1/pp2ppp1/n1p5/6q1/2P5/5N2/PP1PPP2/RNBQK2B b Qq - acd 60; bm Qh5; c3 "Qh5"; ce 225; pm Qh5; pv Qh5 Bg2 e5 Nc3 f6 Ne4 Qg4 Ng3 e4 Ng1 f5 Kf1 Be6 Bh3 Qg6 d3 O-O-O Bf4 Nh6 Qc2 exd3 exd3 Nb4 Qa4 Nxd3 Qxa7 Bxc4 Bxh6 Nc5+ Kg2 Qxh6 Bxf5+ Kc7 Qa5+ b6 Qa7+ Nb7 Nf3 Bd5 Be4 Bxe4 Nxe4 Qf4 Re1 Re8 Ng3 Rxe1 Nxe1 Qd2 Nf3 Qxb2 Qa8 Qf6 Qe8 Qe7 Qh5 b5 Qf5 Nc5 Ng5 Qe8 N3e4 Nxe4 Nxe4 Kb6 Qf4 Bc5 a4 bxa4 Nxc5 Kxc5 Qxa4 Qg6+ Kf1 Qd3+ Kg1 Qc3; id "Grob.xxxx"; move 10b; 
r1b1kbn1/pp2ppp1/n1p5/6q1/2PN4/8/PP1PPP2/RNBQK2B w Qq - acd 60; bm Nf3; c3 "Nf3"; ce -229; pm Nf3; pv Nf3 Qh5 Bg2 e5 Nc3 f6 d3 g5 Kd2 g4 Ne1 f5 Kc2 f4 a3 Bf5 b4 O-O-O Kb2 Bg7 Rb1 Qh4 f3 g3 Ka2 Qe7 b5 cxb5 Nxb5 Kb8 Qa4 Qc5 Qa5 Qb6 Qxb6 axb6 Nc3 Ne7 Rxb6 Nc6 Ne4 Ka7 Rb1 b6 Nc3 Nc5 a4 Bd7 Nd5 Nxa4 e3 Be6 Ka3 Nc5 exf4 Bxd5 cxd5 Rxd5 f5 Nxd3 Nxd3 Rxd3+ Rb3 Rd1 Rc3 Nd4 Kb2; id "Grob.xxxx"; move 10a; 
r1b1kbn1/pp2ppp1/n1p5/q5P1/2PN4/8/PP1PPP2/RNBQK2B b Qq - acd 60; bm Qxg5; c3 "Qxg5"; ce 229; pm Qxg5; pv Qxg5 Nf3 Qh5 Bg2 e5 Nc3 f6 Ne4 Qg4 Ng3 e4 Nh2 Qh4 Nhf1 f5 Qb3 g6 d4 exd3 Qxd3 Be6 Nd2 Nc5 Qc3 O-O-O Nf3 Qxc4 Qxc4 Bxc4 Ne5 Nb3 axb3 Bb4+ Bd2 Bxd2+ Kf1 Bxb3 Nxg6 Bg5 f4 Bf6 Ne5 Nh6 Bh3 Kb8 Ra3 Bd5 Re3 Nf7 Nxf5 Nxe5 fxe5 Bg5 Rc3 a5 b3 Rf8 Ke1 Rh8 Rd3 Bf4 Ne7 Be4 Rd4 Bg3+ Kd2 Bb1 Bf5 Bxe5 Rd7 Rh1 Bd3 Bxd3 Rxd3 Rb1 Ng6 Rb2+ Kd1 Bc7 Rf3 b5 Nf4; id "Grob.xxxx"; move 09b; 
r1b1kbn1/pp2ppp1/n1p5/q5P1/2Pp4/5N2/PP1PPP2/RNBQK2B w Qq - acd 60; bm Nxd4; c3 "Nxd4"; ce -244; pm Nxd4; pv Nxd4 Qxg5 Nf3 Qh5 Bg2 e5 Nc3 f6 Ne4 Qg4 Ng3 e4 Ng1 f5 Kf1 Be6 Bh3 Qg6 d3 O-O-O Bf4 Nh6 Qc2 exd3 exd3 Nb4 Qa4 Nxd3 Qxa7 Bxc4 Bxh6 Nc5+ Kg2 Qxh6 Bxf5+ Kc7 Qa5+ b6 Qa7+ Nb7 Nf3 Qf6 Rc1 Bd5 Be4 Bxe4 Nxe4 Qf4 Re1 Re8 Ng3 Rxe1 Nxe1 Qd2 Nf3 Qxb2 Qa8 Qa3 Qe8 Qe7 Qg6 Qd7 Nf5 b5 N5d4 Nd8 Qg3+ Kb7 Qf4 Bc5 Qe4 Kc7 Kf1 Qe7 Ne5 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qd6 Qe4 Nb7 f4 Nc5 Qf3 Kb6 a3 Nd7 Qe4 Kb7 Kf2 Nxe5 fxe5 Qxa3; id "Grob.xxxx"; move 09a; 
rnb1kbn1/pp2ppp1/2p5/q5P1/2Pp4/5N2/PP1PPP2/RNBQK2B b Qq - acd 60; bm Na6; c3 "Na6"; ce 174; pm Na6; pv Na6 Nxd4 Qxg5 Nf3 Qh5 Bg2 g5 d4 g4 Ng1 e5 Nc3 Bd7 dxe5 Qxe5 Be3 Bf5 Qb3 O-O-O Rd1 Rxd1+ Qxd1 Bc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Qd2 Nf6 Kf1 a5 f3 a4 Nd1 Be6 fxg4 Nxg4 Nf3 Ne4 Nxe5 Nxd2+ Ke1 Nxe5 Kxd2 Nxc4+ Kc3 Kc7 b3 Na5 bxa4 Bxa2 Be4 b6 Nb2 Kd6 Bd3 Be6 Ba6 Bf5 Kd4 Bd7 Bd3 Be6 e3 Kc7 Ke5 Bb3 Kd4 Kd7 Be2 Kd6 Ba6 Bd5 Bf1 Ke7 Ke5 Be6 Kd4 f6 Kc3 Kd6 Ba6 Kc7 Bd3; id "Grob.0973"; move 08b; 
rnb1kbn1/pp2ppp1/2p5/q5P1/2Pp4/8/PP1PPP2/RNBQK1NB w Qq - acd 60; bm Nf3; c3 "Nf3"; ce -173; pm Nf3; pv Nf3 Na6 Nxd4 Qxg5 Nf3 Qh5 Bg2 g5 d4 g4 Ng1 e5 Nc3 Bd7 dxe5 Qxe5 Be3 Bf5 Qb3 O-O-O Rd1 Rxd1+ Qxd1 Bc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Qd2 Nf6 Kf1 a5 f3 a4 Nd1 Be6 fxg4 Nxg4 Nf3 Ne4 Nxe5 Nxd2+ Ke1 Nxe5 Kxd2 Nxc4+ Kc3 Kc7 b3 Na5 bxa4 Bxa2 Nb2 Kd6 Be4 b6 Bd3 Bd5 Kb4 Ke5 Kc3 Be6 Ba6 Kd6 Kb4 Kc7 Bd3 Bd7 Kc3 Nb7 Bc2 Bg4 e3 Na5 Bd3 Be6 Be2 Nb7; id "Grob.0974"; move 08a; 
rnbqkbn1/pp2ppp1/2p5/6P1/2Pp4/8/PP1PPP2/RNBQK1NB b Qq - acd 60; bm Qa5; c3 "Qa5"; ce 183; pm Qa5; pv Qa5 Nf3 Na6 Nxd4 Qxg5 Nf3 Qh5 Bg2 g5 d4 g4 Ng1 e5 Nc3 Bd7 dxe5 Qxe5 Be3 Bf5 Qb3 O-O-O Rd1 Rxd1+ Qxd1 Bc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Qd2 Nf6 Kf1 a5 f3 a4 Nd1 Be6 fxg4 Nxg4 Nf3 Ne4 Nxe5 Nxd2+ Ke1 Nxe5 Kxd2 Nxc4+ Kc3 Kc7 b3 Na5 bxa4 Bxa2 Be4 Kd6 Bd3 Kc5 Nb2 Be6 Bc2 Bc4 Bd1 Bd5 Bc2 b6 Bf5 Bb3 Bc8 Kd6 Bf5 Ba2 Be4 Nb7 Kb4 Be6 Bd3 Ke5; id "Grob.0976"; move 07b; 
rnbqkbn1/pp2ppp1/2p5/6P1/2Pp4/8/PP1PPPB1/RNBQK1Nr w Qq - acd 60; bm Bxh1; c3 "Bxh1"; ce -187; pm Bxh1; pv Bxh1 Qa5 Nf3 Na6 Nxd4 Qxg5 Nf3 Qh5 Bg2 g5 d4 g4 Ng1 e5 Nc3 Bd7 dxe5 Qxe5 Be3 Bf5 Qb3 O-O-O Rd1 Rxd1+ Qxd1 Bc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Qd2 Nf6 Kf1 a5 f3 a4 Nd1 Be6 fxg4 Nxg4 Nf3 Ne4 Nxe5 Nxd2+ Ke1 Nxe5 Kxd2 Nxc4+ Kc3 Kc7 b3 Na5 bxa4 Bxa2 Be4 Kd6 Nb2 Be6 Bd3 Kc5 Bc2 Bc4 Bd1 b6 e3 Be6 Nd3+ Kd6 Nf4 Ba2 Bh5 c5 Nd3 Nc6 Be2 Ne5 Nb2 Bd5 Bd1 Bc6 Be2 f6 Bb5; id "Grob.1017"; move 07a; 
rnbqkbnr/pp2ppp1/2p5/6P1/2Pp4/8/PP1PPPB1/RNBQK1NR b KQkq - acd 60; bm Rxh1; c3 "Rxh1"; ce 168; pm Rxh1; pv Rxh1 Bxh1 Qa5 Nf3 Na6 Nxd4 Qxg5 Nf3 Qh5 Bg2 g5 d4 g4 Ng1 e5 Nc3 Bd7 dxe5 Qxe5 Be3 Bf5 Qb3 O-O-O Rd1 Rxd1+ Qxd1 Bc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Qd2 Nf6 Kf1 a5 f3 a4 Nd1 Be6 fxg4 Nxg4 Nf3 Ne4 Nxe5 Nxd2+ Ke1 Nxe5 Kxd2 Nxc4+ Kc3 Kc7 b3 Na5 bxa4 Bxa2 Nb2 b6 Be4 Kd6 Bd3 Bb3 Bf5 Ke5 Bc8 Ba2 Ba6 Be6 Nd3+ Kd5 Nb2 Kd6 Kb4 Bd5 Bd3 Kc7 Kc3 Be6 Kb4 Bd7 Kc3 c5 Bc2 Nb7 Nc4; id "Grob.1047"; move 06b; 
rnbqkbnr/pp2ppp1/2p5/6p1/2Pp3P/8/PP1PPPB1/RNBQK1NR w KQkq - acd 60; bm hxg5; c3 "hxg5"; ce -183; pm hxg5; pv hxg5 Rxh1 Bxh1 Qa5 Nf3 Na6 Nxd4 Qxg5 Nf3 Qh5 Bg2 g5 d4 g4 Ng1 e5 Nc3 Bd7 dxe5 Qxe5 Be3 Bf5 Qb3 O-O-O Rd1 Rxd1+ Qxd1 Bc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Qd2 Nf6 Kf1 a5 f3 a4 Nd1 Be6 fxg4 Nxg4 Nf3 Ne4 Nxe5 Nxd2+ Ke1 Nxe5 Kxd2 Nxc4+ Kc3 Kc7 b3 Na5 bxa4 Bxa2 Nb2 Kd6 Be4 b6 Bf3 Bd5 Bh5 Be6 Kb4 Ke5 Kc3 Nb7 Nd3+ Kd6 Kb4 f6 e3 Bf5 Be2 Bxd3 Bxd3 Nc5; id "Grob.1094"; move 06a; 
rnbqkbnr/pp2ppp1/2p4p/6P1/2Pp3P/8/PP1PPPB1/RNBQK1NR b KQkq - acd 60; bm hxg5; c3 "hxg5"; ce 173; pm hxg5; pv hxg5 hxg5 Rxh1 Bxh1 Qa5 Nf3 Na6 Nxd4 Qxg5 Nf3 Qh5 Bg2 g5 d4 g4 Ng1 e5 Nc3 Bd7 dxe5 Qxe5 Be3 Bf5 Qb3 O-O-O Rd1 Rxd1+ Qxd1 Bc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Qd2 Nf6 Kf1 a5 f3 a4 Nd1 Be6 fxg4 Nxg4 Nf3 Ne4 Nxe5 Nxd2+ Ke1 Nxe5 Kxd2 Nxc4+ Kc3 Kc7 b3 Na5 bxa4 Bxa2 Be4 Kd6 Nb2 Be6 Bd3 Kc5 Bc2 Bc4 Bd1 Bd5 Bc2 b6 Bf5 Kd6 Bd3 Ke5 Ba6 Be6 Nd3+ Kd6 Nb2 Bb3 Kb4 Bd5 Bd3 Be6 Bc2 c5+ Kc3 Nc6 Nc4+ Kc7; id "Grob.1283"; move 05b; 
rnbqkbnr/pp2ppp1/2p4p/6P1/2Pp4/8/PP1PPPBP/RNBQK1NR w KQkq - acd 60; bm h4; c3 "h4"; ce -170; pm h4; pv h4 hxg5 hxg5 Rxh1 Bxh1 Qa5 Nf3 Na6 Nxd4 Qxg5 Nf3 Qh5 Bg2 g5 Nc3 g4 Ng1 e5 d4 Bd7 dxe5 Qxe5 Be3 Bf5 Qb3 O-O-O Rd1 Rxd1+ Qxd1 Bc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Qd2 Nf6 Kf1 a5 f3 a4 Nd1 Be6 fxg4 Nxg4 Nf3 Ne4 Nxe5 Nxd2+ Ke1 Nxe5 Kxd2 Nxc4+ Kc3 Kc7 b3 Na5 bxa4 Bxa2 Nb2 Kd6 Be4 b6 Bd3 Bd5 Kb4 Ke5 Kc3 Be6 Ba6 Ba2 Nd3+ Kd6 Nb2 Kc7 Bd3 Be6; id "Grob.1284"; move 05a; 
rnbqkbnr/pp2pppp/2p5/6P1/2Pp4/8/PP1PPPBP/RNBQK1NR b KQkq - acd 60; bm h6; c3 "h6"; ce 168; pm h6; pv h6 h4 hxg5 hxg5 Rxh1 Bxh1 Qa5 Nf3 Na6 Nxd4 Qxg5 Nf3 Qh5 Bg2 g5 d4 g4 Ng1 e5 Nc3 Bd7 dxe5 Qxe5 Be3 Bf5 Qb3 O-O-O Rd1 Rxd1+ Qxd1 Bc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Qd2 Nf6 Kf1 a5 f3 a4 Nd1 Be6 fxg4 Nxg4 Nf3 Ne4 Nxe5 Nxd2+ Ke1 Nxe5 Kxd2 Nxc4+ Kc3 Kc7 b3 Na5 bxa4 Bxa2 Be4 Kd6 Nb2 b6 Bd3 Bd5 e3 Be6 Kb4 Kc7 Kc3 Bg4 Bc2 Kd6 Bd3 c5 Bc2 Be6 Bb1 Kc7 Bc2 Nb7 Nd3; id "Grob.1291"; move 04b; 
rnbqkbnr/pp2pppp/2p5/8/2Pp2P1/8/PP1PPPBP/RNBQK1NR w KQkq - acd 60; bm h3; c3 "g5"; ce -158; pm g5 {2} h3 {1} e4 {1}; pv h3 e5 d3 h5 g5 Ne7 Nd2 a5 Ne4 Na6 e3 dxe3 Bxe3 Nf5 Qe2 Nxe3 Qxe3 Bb4+ Kf1 Bf5 Rd1 Qe7 Ne2 Rd8 N2g3 Bxe4 Nxe4 Bc5 Qe2 Bd4 h4 g6 Rh3 a4 Rf3 O-O Rb1 Nc5 Nf6+ Kg7 Kg1 Qc7 Bh3 Qa5 Kg2 Ra8 Kg1 Rh8 Kg2 Qb4 a3 Qb6 Ne4 Rhf8 Nxc5 Qxc5 b4 axb3 Rxb3 Qe7 Rf6 Rxa3 Rxa3 Qxa3 Qe4 Re8 Rxf7+ Kxf7 Qf3+ Kg8 Qf6; id "Grob.0473"; move 04a; 
rnbqkbnr/ppp1pppp/8/8/2Pp2P1/8/PP1PPPBP/RNBQK1NR b KQkq - acd 62; bm a5; c3 "c6"; ce 173; pm a5; pv a5 d3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 h3 Be7 Qa4 Bd7 a3 Ra6 Nbd2 h5 Ne4 Nf6 Nxf6+ Bxf6 g5 Be7 h4 Qc8 Nd2 Nd8 Qc2 a4 Ne4 Ne6 f4 exf4 Rf1 Nc5 Nxc5 Bxc5 Bxf4 Bh3 Bxh3 Qxh3 O-O-O Qxh4 Qd2 Qg4 Bxc7 O-O Kb1 Re8 Rf2 Qd7 Bg3 Re3 Bf4 g6 Rc1 Re8 Qd1 Rae6 Ka1 Bf8 Ka2 R8e7 Ka1 Qe8 Rc2 b6 Qf1 Qd7 Qg2 Rc6 Rc1 Rc5 Qa8 Rc8 Qf3 b5; id "Grob.1312"; move 03b; 
rnbqkbnr/ppp1pppp/8/8/2Pp2P1/8/PP1PPP1P/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - acd 60; bm h3; c3 "Bg2"; ce -155; pm h3; pv h3 h5 gxh5 e5 d3 Nf6 h4 Be7 Nd2 a5 Bg2 Nxh5 Ne4 Bb4+ Kf1 Be7 Bd2 g6 a3 c5 Bf3 Ra6 Rb1 Nc6 Qc1 Qc7 Nh3 Bd7 Nxc5 Bxc5 b4 axb4 axb4 Qc8 Ng5 Nxb4 Bxb4 Bxb4 Rxb4 Bc6 Rh2 Nf4 Rb1 O-O Bxc6 bxc6 Qb2 Qd7 Ne4 Qe7 f3 Rfa8 Qb7 Qxb7 Rxb7 Ra1+ Kf2; id "Grob.1311"; move 03a; 
rnbqkbnr/ppp1pppp/8/3p4/2P3P1/8/PP1PPP1P/RNBQKBNR b KQkq - acd 60; bm Bxg4; c3 "d4"; ce 188; pm e5 {7} c6 {1} dxc4 {1}; pv Bxg4 Bg2 c6 Qb3 e6 Qxb7 Nd7 Nc3 Ne7 cxd5 exd5 d4 Rb8 Qa6 Rb6 Qd3 Ng6 h3 Be6 Nf3 h6 h4 Bd6 Bh3 Bxh3 Rxh3 O-O h5 Ne7 Rh1 c5 Rg1 c4 Qd2 Bb4 Qf4 Kh8 Qg4 Rg8 Qh3 Nf6 Kf1 Qe8 Bf4 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne4 Nd2 Rf6 Nxe4 dxe4 Be5 Rb6 d5 Rb5 Qg4 f6 Bd4 Rxd5 Qxe4 Qf7 Rd1 Re8 Qf3 Rxh5 Bxa7; id "Grob.0159"; move 02b; 
rnbqkbnr/ppp1pppp/8/3p4/6P1/8/PPPPPP1P/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - acd 60; bm e3; c3 "c4"; c5 "Bg2"; c6 "6589376"; ce -171; pm Bg2 {158} h3 {84} e3 {12} c4 {4} g5 {4} b3 {2} f4 {2} f3 {1}; pv e3 e5 Nc3 Be6 d4 Nc6 h3 h5 gxh5 Nf6 Bb5 e4 Bxc6+ bxc6 Bd2 Rxh5 Qe2 a5 O-O-O Bd6 Na4 g6 Rf1 Qe7 Qe1 Bg4 b3 Bf3 Nxf3 exf3 Qd1 Rf5 Rfg1 Ne4 Be1 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Qxc5 Rg4 a4 b4 Qd6 Qd4 O-O-O a3 Re8 Qd3 Qf6 Kb1 Qc6 Kc1 Re6 h4 Qc4 Qxc4 dxc4 Rh2 c3 Rh1 Kb7 Rh3 Ree5 Rf4 Rxf4 exf4; id "Grob.0003"; move 02a; 
rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/6P1/8/PPPPPP1P/RNBQKBNR b KQkq - acd 60; bm d5; c3 "d5"; c5 "d5"; ce 169; pm d5 {376} e5 {61} c5 {12} h5 {11} g6 {6} d6 {5} Nc6 {4} e6 {3} c6 {2} Nf6 {2} a6 {1} b6 {1} f5 {1} g5 {1}; pv d5 h3 h5 gxh5 e5 c3 Qh4 h6 Nxh6 Nf3 Qh5 d3 f6 e4 Be6 Be2 Qf7 Be3 Nc6 Nbd2 O-O-O Qa4 a6 O-O-O Qe8 Kb1 Nf7 h4 Kb8 Ka1 Nh6 Rhg1 dxe4 dxe4 Ng4 Nf1 Rxd1+ Qxd1 Nd8 Rh1 Nxe3 Nxe3 Bc5 h5 Bxe3 fxe3 Nf7 Nd2 Ng5 Bg4 Bf7; id "Grob.0001"; move 01b; 
rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - acd 60; bm e4; c0 "FD13,14 {m}; 1990; Vlasak E, Petlak;"; c3 "g4"; c5 "e4"; c6 "Arves.38759"; c8 "So.0139974.001a.01651"; ce 24; pm e4 {52066} d4 {33208} Nf3 {7591} c4 {6627} f4 {613} b3 {514} g3 {488} Nc3 {442} b4 {335} e3 {74} g4 {58} a3 {49} d3 {47} c3 {39} h3 {24} f3 {6} h4 {5} a4 {3} Nh3 {1}; pv e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8+ Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 h3 h5 Bf4 Be7 Rad1 Be6 Ng5 Rh6 Nxe6 Rxe6 g4 hxg4 hxg4 Nh4 Ne2 f5 exf6 Bxf6 Ng3 Bxb2 Bxc7 Rc8 Bf4 Be5 Bxe5 Rxe5 Kh2 g5 f4 gxf4 Rxf4 Rd8 Rxd8+ Kxd8 Kh3 Ng6 Rf5 Rxf5 gxf5 Ne5 Kh4 b6; id "Root"; move 01a; 
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Re: 1.g4 opening is losing?

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Thank you, Dann. :cry:
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Re: 1.g4 opening is losing?

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Lazy_Frank wrote: Tue Mar 22, 2022 8:06 am Thank you, Dann. :cry:
Here is a link to my Grob data.
Perhaps a path to a better Grob future can be found:
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Re: 1.g4 opening is losing?

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I have tried two times Grob.
At the first moment it is all about to save single tempo by white ...
But sooner or later seems white is a bit to short save that tempo.
When it is lost, it is done. Sad there is one white move (g4) that loses instantly.
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Re: 1.g4 opening is losing?

Post by Eelco de Groot »

This last analysis only proves that 15. Nd4 is not playable, even if Stockfish thinks it is :P . Fruitig (the SE version so not the standard one from Ed) never plays this, White still may be lost but 15. Nh2 is a bit better.
Then some moves that the engines think more or less forced 15...Qh4 16. Nhf1 f5 17.d3
Here Fruitig only considers 17...e3, well it can only output one line and it is extremely selective so take with dozen grains of salt, Stockfish thinks 17...Bd7 much better

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r1b1kbn1/pp4p1/n1p5/5p2/2PPp2q/6N1/PP2PPB1/R1BQKN2 b Qq d3

Engine: Stockfish 20220313 (512 MB)
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38     19:33  -2.11    17...Ld7 18.Db3 Lb4+ 19.Ld2 Lxd2+ 
                       20.Pxd2 O-O-O 21.e3 Ph6 22.Pdf1 Pg4 
                       23.Td1 Kb8 24.a3 Te8 25.Td2 c5 
                       26.Dc3 cxd4 27.Dxd4 Lc8 28.Dxg7 Pe5 
                       29.b4 Pd3+ 30.Kd1 Pc7 (752.605.201) 641 

38     19:33  -1.69    17...Le6 18.Db3 O-O-O 19.d5 cxd5 
                       20.cxd5 Ld7 21.Ld2 Kb8 22.De3 Ld6 
                       23.Dg5 Dxg5 24.Lxg5 Pf6 25.a3 Tf8 
                       26.Td1 Le5 27.Pd2 Lxb2 28.Pc4 Lc3+ 
                       29.Kf1 b6 30.Lf4+ Ka8 (752.605.201) 641 

37     19:33  -1.19    17...Dg4 18.Dc2 Pf6 19.a3 f4 20.f3 Dh4 
                       21.fxe4 Pg8 22.e5 Pe7 23.Lxf4 Dxf4 
                       24.e3 Dh4 25.O-O-O Lg4 26.Td2 O-O-O 
                       27.Le4 Dg5 28.Tf2 Pc7 29.Ld3 Kb8 
                       30.Kb1 Le6 (752.605.201) 641 

37     19:33  -1.05    17...g6 18.Db3 Lg7 19.e3 Pf6 20.Ld2 Pg4 
                       21.Lc3 Lf6 22.Dc2 Ld7 23.O-O-O O-O-O 
                       24.Kb1 Le7 25.a3 Ld6 26.Le1 Dg5 
                       27.Lh3 Th8 28.Lxg4 Dxg4 29.Lc3 Th7 
                       30.Pe2 Th1 (752.605.201) 641 

 
If Bd7 it is then Fruitig thinks 18. a3 and maybe this loses but not yet -3:


[fen]r3kbn1/pp1b2p1/n1p5/5p2/2PPp2q/6N1/PP2PPB1/R1BQKN2 w Qq - 1 18[/fen]


-2.23 [+] [*] 18. a3 O-O-O 19. e3 Nf6 20. Bd2 g5 21. Qc2 Ng4 22. c5 Re8 23. Qa4 (depth 27, 0:07:53)
-2.27 [+] [*] 18. a3 O-O-O 19. e3 Nf6 20. Bd2 g5 21. Qc2 Ng4 22. Ba5 b6 23. Bc3 Bd6 24. O-O-O Kb7 25. Qe2 Qh7 (depth 28, 0:13:03)
-2.38 [+] [*] 18. a3 O-O-O 19. e3 Nf6 20. Qc2 Ng4 21. Bd2 Be6 22. Ba5 b6 23. Bc3 g6 24. Qa4 Kb7 25. Rd1 (depth 29, 0:21:32)
-2.53 [+] [*] 18. a3 O-O-O 19. e3 Nf6 20. Qc2 Re8 21. Bd2 Ng4 22. Qd1 c5 23. Qe2 Be7 (depth 30, 0:34:13)

Okay, White is tanking a bit thinks Fruitig :)

Stock here, 4 best moves:

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r3kbn1/pp1b2p1/n1p5/5p2/2PPp2q/6N1/PP2PPB1/R1BQKN2 w Qq -

Engine: Stockfish 20220313 (512 MB)
gemaakt door the Stockfish developers (see AUTHORS f

32     3:47   -1.92    18.a3 O-O-O 19.Dc2 Te8 20.d5 g6 
                       21.dxc6 Lxc6 22.b4 Pc7 23.Lb2 Pf6 
                       24.e3 Pg4 25.O-O-O a6 26.Kb1 Pe5 
                       27.Lxe5 Txe5 28.Td2 Lg7 29.Pe2 Te8 
                       30.Pd4 Ld7 31.a4 (147.210.278) 646 

32     3:47   -2.00    18.Dc2 O-O-O 19.a3 Te8 20.d5 g6 
                       21.dxc6 Lxc6 22.b4 Pc7 23.Lb2 Pf6 
                       24.e3 Pg4 25.O-O-O a6 26.Kb1 Pe5 
                       27.Lxe5 Txe5 28.Td2 Te8 29.Pe2 Lg7 
                       30.Pd4 Ld7 31.a4 (147.210.278) 646 

32     3:47   -2.11    18.Db3 Lb4+ 19.Ld2 Lxd2+ 20.Pxd2 O-O-O 
                       21.O-O-O Dh2 22.Lxe4 fxe4 23.Pdxe4 Le6 
                       24.Df3 Dh6+ 25.e3 Pf6 26.Pf5 Lxf5 
                       27.Dxf5+ Kb8 28.Dg5 Dh8 29.Pc3 Dh2 
                       30.Dg1 Dh6 31.Dg3+ (147.210.278) 646 

32     3:47   -2.25    18.b4 g6 19.Ld2 Pf6 20.Db3 Pc7 
                       21.O-O-O O-O-O 22.a4 Le6 23.Dc3 Kb8 
                       24.Le1 Pd7 25.f3 Pb6 26.Pxf5 Dg5+ 
                       27.P5e3 exf3 28.Lxf3 Pxc4 29.Kc2 Pb6 
                       30.Lg3 Pxa4 31.Da3 (147.210.278) 646
Now Stockfish prefers 18. Qb3

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r3kbn1/pp1b2p1/n1p5/5p2/2PPp2q/6N1/PP2PPB1/R1BQKN2 w Qq -

Engine: Stockfish 20220313 (512 MB)
gemaakt door the Stockfish developers (see AUTHORS f

37     17:09  -1.76    18.Db3 O-O-O 19.Ld2 Te8 20.De3 g6 
                       21.O-O-O c5 22.d5 Lh6 23.Dc3 Lxd2+ 
                       24.Pxd2 e3 25.Pde4 fxe4 26.Dxe3 De7 
                       27.Lxe4 Pf6 28.Lxg6 Dxe3+ 29.fxe3 Tg8 
                       30.Pf5 Kd8 31.Ph4 (656.662.618) 637 

37     17:09  -2.15    18.Dc2 O-O-O 19.a3 Te8 20.d5 g6 
                       21.dxc6 Lxc6 22.b4 Pc7 23.Lb2 Ph6 
                       24.O-O-O a6 25.Td2 Pg4 26.e3 Td8 
                       27.Txd8+ Kxd8 28.Lc3 b5 29.cxb5 Lxb5 
                       30.Dd2+ Kc8 31.Da2 (656.662.618) 637 

36     17:09  -2.28    18.a3 O-O-O 19.Dc2 Te8 20.d5 g6 
                       21.dxc6 Lxc6 22.b4 Pc7 23.Lb2 Ph6 
                       24.e3 Pg4 25.O-O-O a6 26.Td2 Td8 
                       27.Txd8+ Kxd8 28.Lc3 Le7 29.Kb1 b5 
                       30.Ld4 Kd7 31.De2 (656.662.618) 637 

36     17:09  -2.40    18.b4 g6 19.Ld2 Pf6 20.Db3 Pc7 21.a4 Pg4 
                       22.e3 Ld6 23.c5 Le6 24.Db2 Lxg3 
                       25.fxg3 Dh6 26.b5 Ld7 27.a5 cxb5 
                       28.a6 Pxa6 29.Db3 Pc7 30.La5 Le6 
                       31.Db2 (656.662.618) 637 
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Re: 1.g4 opening is losing?

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-2.57 [+] [*] 18. a3 O-O-O 19. e3 Nf6 20. Qc2 Re8 21. Bd2 Ng4 22. Qd1 Kb8 23. Qe2 Ka8 24. O-O-O Bd6 25. Kb1 Qh7 26. Ka2 g5 27. Bc3 Nb8 28. b4 Qe7 29. Nh5 (depth 31, 0:55:54)
-2.56 [+] [*] 18. Qb3 Bb4+ 19. Bd2 Bxd2+ 20. Nxd2 O-O-O 21. d5 Nh6 22. Rd1 Qh2 23. Kf1 Ng4 24. Qc3 g6 25. Ndxe4 fxe4 26. dxc6 bxc6 27. Nxe4 Kb8 28. Rd6 (depth 31, 1:03:26)
-2.63 [+] [*] 18. Qb3 Bb4+ 19. Bd2 Bxd2+ 20. Nxd2 O-O-O 21. d5 Nh6 22. O-O-O cxd5 23. cxd5 Kb8 24. Kb1 Qh2 25. Qc3 Rg8 26. Bf1 Qxf2 27. Nc4 Rc8 28. Qe5+ Rc7 29. Nh1 Qc5 (depth 32, 1:33:41)

or 18. Qb3 O-O-O:

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2kr1bn1/pp1b2p1/n1p5/5p2/2PPp2q/1Q4N1/PP2PPB1/R1B1KN2 w Q -

Engine: Stockfish 20220313 (512 MB)
gemaakt door the Stockfish developers (see AUTHORS f

34     6:16   -1.88    19.Ld2 Te8 20.De3 g6 21.O-O-O c5 
                       22.f3 Lh6 23.Dc3 Lxd2+ 24.Dxd2 e3 
                       25.Dd3 Pf6 26.dxc5 Pxc5 27.Da3 Pa6 
                       28.Dd6 Dxc4+ 29.Kb1 De6 30.f4 Pc7 
                       31.Dd4 Db6 32.Dxb6 (251.641.178) 668 

34     6:16   -2.62    19.a3 Ph6 20.Ld2 c5 21.d5 Pg4 22.Ph1 Ld6 
                       23.Dh3 g5 24.Dxh4 gxh4 25.b3 b5 
                       26.f4 exf3 27.Lxf3 Pe5 28.Tc1 h3 
                       29.Kf2 Pc7 30.Phg3 bxc4 31.bxc4 Th8 
                       32.Lc3 (251.641.178) 668 

34     6:16   -3.01    19.c5 Pf6 20.Ld2 Te8 21.De3 Dh7 
                       22.Db3 g5 23.Lxg5 Pd5 24.O-O-O Dg7 
                       25.Ld2 f4 26.Lxe4 fxg3 27.Pxg3 Dxd4 
                       28.Le3 De5 29.Lxd5 cxd5 30.Dxd5 Lc6 
                       31.Dxe5 Txe5 32.Ld4 (251.641.178) 668 

34     6:16   -3.28    19.De3 Lb4+ (251.641.178) 668 

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2kr1bn1/pp1b2p1/n1p5/5p2/2PPp2q/1Q4N1/PP2PPB1/R1B1KN2 w Q -

Engine: Stockfish 20220313 (512 MB)
gemaakt door the Stockfish developers (see AUTHORS f

40     33:41  -1.72    19.Ld2 Te8 20.De3 g6 21.O-O-O c5 
                       22.d5 Lh6 23.Dc3 Lxd2+ 24.Pxd2 e3 
                       25.Pde4 fxe4 26.Dxe3 De7 27.Lxe4 Pf6 
                       28.Lxg6 Dxe3+ 29.fxe3 Tg8 30.Pf5 Kd8 
                       31.Ph4 Pg4 32.b3 (1.387.118.721) 686 

39     33:41  -2.20    19.a3 Ph6 20.Ld2 c5 21.d5 Pg4 22.f3 exf3 
                       23.Lxf3 Pe5 24.O-O-O Ld6 25.Ph5 g5 
                       26.Pfg3 Pxf3 27.Dxf3 Dxc4+ 28.Dc3 Dxc3+ 
                       29.Lxc3 Te8 30.Tg1 f4 31.Pf1 g4 
                       32.Pf6 (1.387.118.721) 686 

39     33:41  -3.30    19.c5 Pf6 20.Ld2 Te8 21.Df7 Dh7 
                       22.Db3 g5 23.Lxg5 Pd5 24.O-O-O Dg7 
                       25.Ld2 f4 26.Lxe4 fxg3 27.Pxg3 Dxd4 
                       28.Le3 De5 29.Lxd5 cxd5 30.Dxd5 Lc6 
                       31.Dxe5 Txe5 32.Ld4 (1.387.118.721) 686 

39     33:41  -3.45    19.De3 Lb4+ 20.Kd1 Df6 21.a3 Ld6 
                       22.Dc3 c5 23.d5 La4+ 24.Ke1 Le5 
                       25.Dd2 g6 26.Tb1 Te8 27.Dg5 Lb3 
                       28.Lh3 Kb8 29.Dxf6 Pxf6 30.Pd2 Lc2 
                       31.Ta1 Th8 32.Lg2 (1.387.118.721) 686 

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Re: 1.g4 opening is losing?

Post by Eelco de Groot »

Eelco de Groot wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:54 am -2.57 [+] [*] 18. a3 O-O-O 19. e3 Nf6 20. Qc2 Re8 21. Bd2 Ng4 22. Qd1 Kb8 23. Qe2 Ka8 24. O-O-O Bd6 25. Kb1 Qh7 26. Ka2 g5 27. Bc3 Nb8 28. b4 Qe7 29. Nh5 (depth 31, 0:55:54)
-2.56 [+] [*] 18. Qb3 Bb4+ 19. Bd2 Bxd2+ 20. Nxd2 O-O-O 21. d5 Nh6 22. Rd1 Qh2 23. Kf1 Ng4 24. Qc3 g6 25. Ndxe4 fxe4 26. dxc6 bxc6 27. Nxe4 Kb8 28. Rd6 (depth 31, 1:03:26)
-2.63 [+] [*] 18. Qb3 Bb4+ 19. Bd2 Bxd2+ 20. Nxd2 O-O-O 21. d5 Nh6 22. O-O-O cxd5 23. cxd5 Kb8 24. Kb1 Qh2 25. Qc3 Rg8 26. Bf1 Qxf2 27. Nc4 Rc8 28. Qe5+ Rc7 29. Nh1 Qc5 (depth 32, 1:33:41)
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-2.57 [+] [*] 18. a3 O-O-O 19. Qc2 Nh6 20. e3 Ng4 21. Bd2 Re8 22. Qd1 Kb8 23. Qe2 Bd6 24. O-O-O Ka8 25. Kb1 Qh6 26. f3 (depth 32, 1:41:05)

or 18. Qb3 O-O-O:

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2kr1bn1/pp1b2p1/n1p5/5p2/2PPp2q/1Q4N1/PP2PPB1/R1B1KN2 w Q -

Engine: Stockfish 20220313 (512 MB)
gemaakt door the Stockfish developers (see AUTHORS f

34     6:16   -1.88    19.Ld2 Te8 20.De3 g6 21.O-O-O c5 
                       22.f3 Lh6 23.Dc3 Lxd2+ 24.Dxd2 e3 
                       25.Dd3 Pf6 26.dxc5 Pxc5 27.Da3 Pa6 
                       28.Dd6 Dxc4+ 29.Kb1 De6 30.f4 Pc7 
                       31.Dd4 Db6 32.Dxb6 (251.641.178) 668 

34     6:16   -2.62    19.a3 Ph6 20.Ld2 c5 21.d5 Pg4 22.Ph1 Ld6 
                       23.Dh3 g5 24.Dxh4 gxh4 25.b3 b5 
                       26.f4 exf3 27.Lxf3 Pe5 28.Tc1 h3 
                       29.Kf2 Pc7 30.Phg3 bxc4 31.bxc4 Th8 
                       32.Lc3 (251.641.178) 668 

34     6:16   -3.01    19.c5 Pf6 20.Ld2 Te8 21.De3 Dh7 
                       22.Db3 g5 23.Lxg5 Pd5 24.O-O-O Dg7 
                       25.Ld2 f4 26.Lxe4 fxg3 27.Pxg3 Dxd4 
                       28.Le3 De5 29.Lxd5 cxd5 30.Dxd5 Lc6 
                       31.Dxe5 Txe5 32.Ld4 (251.641.178) 668 

34     6:16   -3.28    19.De3 Lb4+ (251.641.178) 668 

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2kr1bn1/pp1b2p1/n1p5/5p2/2PPp2q/1Q4N1/PP2PPB1/R1B1KN2 w Q -

Engine: Stockfish 20220313 (512 MB)
gemaakt door the Stockfish developers (see AUTHORS f

40     33:41  -1.72    19.Ld2 Te8 20.De3 g6 21.O-O-O c5 
                       22.d5 Lh6 23.Dc3 Lxd2+ 24.Pxd2 e3 
                       25.Pde4 fxe4 26.Dxe3 De7 27.Lxe4 Pf6 
                       28.Lxg6 Dxe3+ 29.fxe3 Tg8 30.Pf5 Kd8 
                       31.Ph4 Pg4 32.b3 (1.387.118.721) 686 

39     33:41  -2.20    19.a3 Ph6 20.Ld2 c5 21.d5 Pg4 22.f3 exf3 
                       23.Lxf3 Pe5 24.O-O-O Ld6 25.Ph5 g5 
                       26.Pfg3 Pxf3 27.Dxf3 Dxc4+ 28.Dc3 Dxc3+ 
                       29.Lxc3 Te8 30.Tg1 f4 31.Pf1 g4 
                       32.Pf6 (1.387.118.721) 686 

39     33:41  -3.30    19.c5 Pf6 20.Ld2 Te8 21.Df7 Dh7 
                       22.Db3 g5 23.Lxg5 Pd5 24.O-O-O Dg7 
                       25.Ld2 f4 26.Lxe4 fxg3 27.Pxg3 Dxd4 
                       28.Le3 De5 29.Lxd5 cxd5 30.Dxd5 Lc6 
                       31.Dxe5 Txe5 32.Ld4 (1.387.118.721) 686 

39     33:41  -3.45    19.De3 Lb4+ 20.Kd1 Df6 21.a3 Ld6 
                       22.Dc3 c5 23.d5 La4+ 24.Ke1 Le5 
                       25.Dd2 g6 26.Tb1 Te8 27.Dg5 Lb3 
                       28.Lh3 Kb8 29.Dxf6 Pxf6 30.Pd2 Lc2 
                       31.Ta1 Th8 32.Lg2 (1.387.118.721) 686 

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2kr1bn1/pp1b2p1/n1p5/5p2/2PPp2q/1Q4N1/PP2PPB1/R1B1KN2 w Q -

Engine: Stockfish 20220313 (512 MB)
gemaakt door the Stockfish developers (see AUTHORS f

42     71:52  -2.11    19.Ld2 Te8 20.De3 g6 21.O-O-O c5 
                       22.d5 Lh6 23.Dc3 Lxd2+ 24.Pxd2 e3 
                       25.Pde4 fxe4 26.Dxe3 De7 27.Lxe4 Pf6 
                       28.Lxg6 Dxe3+ 29.fxe3 Tg8 30.Pf5 Kd8 
                       31.Ph4 Pg4 32.b3 (2.929.177.330) 679 

42     71:52  -2.72    19.a3 Ph6 20.De3 Le7 21.Df4 Df6 
                       22.Dd2 Pf7 23.Tb1 Pc7 24.e3 Kb8 
                       25.b3 Ld6 26.Lb2 g5 27.Td1 De7 
                       28.Dc2 Lxa3 29.Lxa3 Dxa3 30.Dc3 De7 
                       31.Ta1 c5 32.Pe2 (2.929.177.330) 679 

42     71:52  -3.41    19.c5 Pf6 20.Ld2 Te8 21.Df7 Dh7 
                       22.Db3 g5 23.Lxg5 Pd5 24.O-O-O Dg7 
                       25.Ld2 f4 26.Lxe4 fxg3 27.Pxg3 Dxd4 
                       28.Le3 De5 29.Lxd5 cxd5 30.Dxd5 Lc6 
                       31.Dxe5 Txe5 32.Ld4 (2.929.177.330) 679 

42     71:52  -3.60    19.De3 Lb4+ 20.Kd1 Df6 21.a3 Ld6 
                       22.Dc3 c5 23.d5 La4+ 24.Ke1 Le5 
                       25.Dd2 g6 26.Tb1 Te8 27.Dg5 Lb3 
                       28.Lxe4 fxe4 29.Dg4+ Kb8 30.Lg5 Df8 
                       31.Pd2 e3 32.fxe3 (2.929.177.330) 679 

Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first
place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you
are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it.
-- Brian W. Kernighan
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Eelco de Groot
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Full name:   Eelco de Groot

Re: 1.g4 opening is losing?

Post by Eelco de Groot »

-2.90 [+] [*] 18. a3 O-O-O 19. Qc2 Nf6 20. Qd2 Be7 21. Qf4 Qh7 22. Ne3 Nh5 23. Nxh5 Qxh5 24. d5 Bf6 25. Bd2 g5 26. Qd6 Qh8 27. Nd1 Be5 (depth 33, 2:43:27)
-2.15 [+] [*] 18. Qb3 Bb4+ 19. Bd2 Bxd2+ 20. Nxd2 O-O-O 21. Ngf1 Nf6 22. Qh3 Qg5 23. a3 f4 24. Qh1 e3 25. fxe3 fxe3 26. Nb3 Ng4 27. Qh3 Qg6 28. Bf3 Nf6 29. Qg2 (depth 33, 3:02:21)


Stockfish depth 44, still at [fen]2kr1bn1/pp1b2p1/n1p5/5p2/2PPp2q/1Q4N1/PP2PPB1/R1B1KN2 w Q -[/fen] after 18. Qb3 O-O-O

Code: Select all

2kr1bn1/pp1b2p1/n1p5/5p2/2PPp2q/1Q4N1/PP2PPB1/R1B1KN2 w Q -

Engine: Stockfish 20220313 (512 MB)
gemaakt door the Stockfish developers (see AUTHORS f

44     101:48 -2.02    19.Ld2 Te8 20.De3 g6 21.O-O-O c5 
                       22.d5 Lh6 23.Dc3 Lxd2+ 24.Pxd2 e3 
                       25.Pde4 fxe4 26.Dxe3 De7 27.Lxe4 Pf6 
                       28.Lxg6 Dxe3+ 29.fxe3 Tg8 30.Pf5 Kd8 
                       31.Ph4 Pg4 32.b3 (4.133.295.716) 676 

44     101:48 -2.69    19.a3 Ph6 20.Lxh6 Dxh6 21.Dc2 c5 
                       22.Td1 cxd4 23.Txd4 Df6 24.Td1 g6 
                       25.Pe3 Lg7 26.Pd5 Dxb2 27.Dxb2 Lxb2 
                       28.Pe7+ Kc7 29.Pxg6 Lxa3 30.Pf4 Ld6 
                       31.Pd5+ Kb8 32.Lh3 (4.133.295.716) 676 

44     101:48 -3.49    19.c5 Pf6 20.Ld2 Te8 21.Df7 Dh7 
                       22.Db3 g5 23.Lxg5 Pd5 24.O-O-O Dg7 
                       25.Ld2 f4 26.Lxe4 fxg3 27.Pxg3 Dxd4 
                       28.Le3 De5 29.Lxd5 cxd5 30.Dxd5 Lc6 
                       31.Dxe5 Txe5 32.Ld4 (4.133.295.716) 676 

43     101:48 -3.66    19.De3 Lb4+ 20.Kd1 Df6 21.a3 Ld6 
                       22.Kc2 f4 23.Pxe4 fxe3 24.Pxf6 Pxf6 
                       25.Lxe3 Te8 26.Lf3 Pg4 27.Te1 Pc7 
                       28.Kd3 Lf5+ 29.Kd2 Pxe3 30.Pxe3 Lf4 
                       31.Tg1 Lh6 32.Th1 (4.133.295.716) 676 

Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first
place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you
are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it.
-- Brian W. Kernighan
Lazy_Frank
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Re: 1.g4 opening is losing?

Post by Lazy_Frank »

Dann, just out of curiosity :

1. g4 d5 2. c4 d4 3. Bg2 c6 4. g5 h6 5. h4 hxg5 6. hxg5 Rxh1 7. Bxh1 Qa5 8.
Nf3 Na6 9. Nxd4 Qxg5 10. Nf3 Qh5 11. Bg2 e5 12. Nc3 f6 13. d4

[fen]r1b1kbn1/pp4p1/n1p2p2/4p2q/2PP4/2N2N2/PP2PPB1/R1BQK3 b Qq d3 0 13[/fen]
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Re: 1.g4 opening is losing?

Post by Dann Corbit »

[fen]r1b1kbn1/pp4p1/n1p2p2/4p2q/2PP4/2N2N2/PP2PPB1/R1BQK3 b Qq -[/fen] acd 61; ce 323; acs 5040; acn 195079000; pv Bh3 Bxh3 Qxh3 e4 exd4 Nxd4 Nb4 a3 Nd3+ Ke2 Nxc1+ Qxc1 Bc5 Nb3 Qg4+ Kf1 Bb6 c5 Bc7 Qd1 Qh3+ Ke2 Rd8 Qc2 Qh5+ Kf1 Kf8 Rd1 Re8 Nd4 f5 Ke1 fxe4 Qb3 Qh3 Kd2 Be5 Qc4 Nf6 Kc2 g6 Kb1 Kg7 Nc2 Bxc3 bxc3 Qf5 Qd4 Qd5 Ne3 Qb3+ Ka1 Qxa3+ Kb1 Qb3+ Ka1 Qe6 Nc4 Re7 Kb2 Qd5 Nd6 Qxd4 cxd4 Ne8 Nc4 Rf7 Rd2 Kf6 Re2 Re7 Re1 g5 Kc2 Nc7 Nd6 Nd5 Nxe4+ Kf5 Nd6+ Kf4 Rh1 Kf3 Rh5 Rg7 Kd2 Nf4 Rh8 Kxf2 Nf5 Rd7 Rg8 Ne6 Kc3 Kf3 Rg6 Rd5 Ne7 ; bm Bh3;

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