M1 Apple Silicon for Chess?

[smatovic]

I guess that will be the 'brew install stockfish --HEAD' option, but I meant that instead to host own sources and binaries, you could create Homebrew build-scripts for all these engines.

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Srdja

Yes, I have something like this for Android builds thanks to Archimedes. I've decided to support only mac Silicon M1 native. Intel is deprecated by Apple.

Regards, Alex

Seriously, the M1 will be deprecated by the M2? Then you have to rebuild all your binaries, IMHO Homebrew is the way to go for Mac, just my 2 cents, if you want to start an M1 engine collection, that is on another table, or alike.

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Srdja

[AlexChess]

Seriously, the M1 will be deprecated by the M2? Then you have to rebuild all your binaries, IMHO Homebrew is the way to go for Mac, just my 2 cents, if you want to start an M1 engine collection, that is on another table, or alike.

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Srdja

No. M1, M1 Pro, M1 Max and M1 Ultra obviously will not be obsolete due to M2. The Intel CPU are deprecated (on Mac) And I can use Brew also to compile Intel builds for Mac.

[AlexChess]

Cfish 220320 Neon compiled by me for mac Silicon M1

Binary & source: http://microsmeta.com/public/cfish_200322_neon.zip

[wickedpotus]

Seriously, the M1 will be deprecated by the M2? Then you have to rebuild all your binaries, IMHO Homebrew is the way to go for Mac, just my 2 cents, if you want to start an M1 engine collection, that is on another table, or alike.

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Srdja

No. M1, M1 Pro, M1 Max and M1 Ultra obviously will not be obsolete due to M2. The Intel CPU are deprecated (on Mac) And I can use Brew also to compile Intel builds for Mac.

They are already obsolete now when alder-lakes, latest AMDs and RTX GPUs from Nvidia existts in mobile devices for chess... They will be even more obsolete down the road..

[AlexChess]

Seriously, the M1 will be deprecated by the M2? Then you have to rebuild all your binaries, IMHO Homebrew is the way to go for Mac, just my 2 cents, if you want to start an M1 engine collection, that is on another table, or alike.

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Srdja

No. M1, M1 Pro, M1 Max and M1 Ultra obviously will not be obsolete due to M2. The Intel CPU are deprecated (on Mac) And I can use Brew also to compile Intel builds for Mac.

They are already obsolete now when alder-lakes, latest AMDs and RTX GPUs from Nvidia existts in mobile devices for chess... They will be even more obsolete down the road..

Perfect Chess Machine - My $700 Mac Mini M1, now that I have learned how to compile engines natively, using 8 cores at 37° Celsius reaches half computing speed of my brother's $2000 Ryzen 9 3900x using 24 threads. Not bad. Mac Studio computers are far too expensive for my budget, but probably with 700$ in 2023 I will buy a base Mac Mini M2 with the speed of an M1 Max.

[Milos]

Seriously, the M1 will be deprecated by the M2? Then you have to rebuild all your binaries, IMHO Homebrew is the way to go for Mac, just my 2 cents, if you want to start an M1 engine collection, that is on another table, or alike.

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Srdja

No. M1, M1 Pro, M1 Max and M1 Ultra obviously will not be obsolete due to M2. The Intel CPU are deprecated (on Mac) And I can use Brew also to compile Intel builds for Mac.

They are already obsolete now when alder-lakes, latest AMDs and RTX GPUs from Nvidia existts in mobile devices for chess... They will be even more obsolete down the road..

Perfect Chess Machine - My $700 Mac Mini M1, now that I have learned how to compile engines natively, using 8 cores at 37° Celsius reaches half computing speed of my brother's $2000 Ryzen 9 3900x using 24 threads. Not bad. Mac Studio computers are far too expensive for my budget, but probably with 700$ in 2023 I will buy a base Mac Mini M2 with the speed of an M1 Max.

Sorry for bursting your bubble, but for $600 you could have bought laptop with Ryzen 5700U CPU that would have 60% higher nps than your machine and you wouldn't need to do any of the compiling.

And if you are into computer building and don't mind a desktop machine for 800$ you could have built a configuration with i7-12700K that would have 4x nps of your Mini M1. That machine is gonna be faster than M2 at least 2 times and most probably faster than even M2 Max if it ever appears on the market. And that machine is currently faster than M1 Ultra that costs like 5 times more.

I get it, you are a Mac nerd, but 99.99% of the chess engine users are not and for them buying a Mac is simply a bad buy.

[Werewolf]

Another nail in the coffin

https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/ap ... n-passmark

[wickedpotus]

Perfect Chess Machine - My $700 Mac Mini M1, now that I have learned how to compile engines natively, using 8 cores at 37° Celsius reaches half computing speed of my brother's $2000 Ryzen 9 3900x using 24 threads. Not bad. Mac Studio computers are far too expensive for my budget, but probably with 700$ in 2023 I will buy a base Mac Mini M2 with the speed of an M1 Max.

Half the speed at twice the price != perfect.. it's retardness.

[Ras]

you could have bought laptop with Ryzen 5700U CPU

I'd probably prefer the "even" numbered models for chess specifically because 5700U is still Zen2 with the slow PEXT.

[h1a8]

Another nail in the coffin

https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/ap ... n-passmark

Geekbench cpu test is very accurate for chess. I prove this a little while ago.
The apple silicon is for content creators first and chess last. If you buy it solely for chess then you are an idiot.
But they do use very little power though. You would save money in the long run and have more convenience (more battery life in the macbook pros).