Deep Shredder 13 - review

[Dariusz]

In 2022 we can use Deep Shredder 13 updated version available for the latest Windows family systems.

On the internet "birds are chirping" that Mr. Stefan Meyer-Kahlen is working on the next version of Shredder.

So it is worth taking a look at Deep Shredder 13 and through this review we will try to answer the question, is Deep Shredder 13 still the leading product in the chess software market in 2022 ?
Can Deep Shredder 13 compete with other modern chess software such as Fritz or Hiarcs Chess Explorer ?

I warmly invite you to read the review of Deep Shredder 13.

https://www.chessengeria.com/post/deep- ... -13-review

[Sopel]

http://ccrl.chessdom.com/ccrl/4040/rating_list_all.html

Everything you listed is dogcrap. What's more to say here?

[Eelco de Groot]

You managed to simultaneously insult the poster, the program, the programmer, Shredder fans and basically every program and programmer below Shredder. What is more to say.

[Werewolf]

In 2022 we can use Deep Shredder 13 updated version available for the latest Windows family systems.

On the internet "birds are chirping" that Mr. Stefan Meyer-Kahlen is working on the next version of Shredder.

So it is worth taking a look at Deep Shredder 13 and through this review we will try to answer the question, is Deep Shredder 13 still the leading product in the chess software market in 2022 ?
Can Deep Shredder 13 compete with other modern chess software such as Fritz or Hiarcs Chess Explorer ?

I warmly invite you to read the review of Deep Shredder 13.

https://www.chessengeria.com/post/deep- ... -13-review

Interesting, but where are these chirping birds?

[Thomas Lagershausen]

http://ccrl.chessdom.com/ccrl/4040/rating_list_all.html

Everything you listed is dogcrap. What's more to say here?

Absolutly nothing.
No professional chessplayer will use this dinosaur.
Only old men toy.

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hi Eelco,

I know the GUI!?

For eng-eng all what I need runs.
A small list of good known bugs, Stefan know but all the years no GUI updates are available.

Stefan's support is really bad because no bugfixes are years available!
Wait months of an answere if he send him a bug ... with the results nothing is change.

All this is not really important.
For me more or less a working tool.
Like more CuteChess or Chess Explorer.

But indeed the review is nice and good to read.
Features are listed, GUI is generelly very stable and ressources in used are low (very important).

A lot of matches can run to the same time via network on many systems (say it before ... a working tool today).
All is very easy with engine configuration or changes in still running tournaments with *.sto file.
Some other great features.

The writer of the review gave 4.5 of 5 stars!
Should be right (4.25 is better) but ...

For a bad support I would like to give today not more as 3.5 of 5 stars.

I have the feeling that Stefan lost his interest on computer chess a bit or better ...
His energy today is clearly lesser as for 10 years.

Banksia is also a nice and new development.
Nibbler, LucasChess and Liground and some others are really very strong works.



Best
Frank

At the moment Shredder 12 GUI used on 24x i5 11600k 6-Core systems (an stabilty experiment for the systems).
Via Network ...systems are in an other town.
I restarted for minutes games I can see engines produced crashes.
Very easy from one of my PC's via Network.
Tomorrow I have different thousands games more in my private database.
A dream ... I should build my own server room I think.
But cost for electricity are to high.

[Werewolf]

You managed to simultaneously insult the poster, the program, the programmer, Shredder fans and basically every program and programmer below Shredder. What is more to say.

I thought Sopel was being harsh, until I read the review. It’s not very objective and sounds like propaganda.

Triple Brain, for example, just doesn’t work very well.
And the engine itself is so much weaker than the best - that should just be acknowledged.

[Frank Quisinsky]

Werewolf,

you should compare the strength of Shredder 13 engine with the others at the same time available.

After release Shredder 13 was on place 5 ...
Before NN times on place 11 ...
Today in my list on place 33 ...

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   # Player                           :      Elo  Games  Score%   won  draw  lost  Points  Draw%   Error   OppAvg   OppE  MoveAvg
  -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  01. Stockfish 11 BMI2 x64           :  3341.82  2.000    83.7  1353   643     4  1674.5   32.1   13.71  3029.12  10.38     81.1
  02. Komodo 14.0 BMI2 x64            :  3271.29  2.000    77.7  1150   809    41  1554,5   40.5   12.57  3030.88  10.41     78.7
  03. Houdini 6.03 Pro x64            :  3261.82  2.000    76.8  1104   865    31  1536,5   43.3   11.55  3031.12  10.44     81.0
  04. Ethereal 12.25 PEXT x64         :  3202.24  2.000    70.7   909  1009    82  1413,5   50.5   10.71  3032.61  10.46     93.0
  05. SlowChess BC 2.2 x64            :  3171.54  2.000    67.2   843  1002   155  1344,0   50.1   10.06  3033.37  10.48     84.0
  06. Fire 7.1 POP x64                :  3169.39  2.000    67.0   818  1042   140  1339,0   52.1   11.17  3033.43  10.45     86.2
  07. Xiphos 0.6 BMI2 x64             :  3147.47  2.000    64.3   755  1064   181  1287,0   53.2   10.57  3033.98  10.46     84.0
  08. Booot 6.4 POP x64               :  3147.06  2.000    64.3   733  1106   161  1286,0   55.3   10.41  3033.99  10.47     77.5
  09. rofChade 2.3 BMI x64            :  3144.36  2.000    64.0   764  1031   205  1279,5   51.5   10.37  3034.05  10.47     89.6
  10. Laser 1.7 BMI2 x64              :  3120.35  2.000    61.0   672  1097   231  1220,5   54.9   10.05  3034.65  10.48     85.8
  -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  11. Shredder 13 x64                 :  3105.01  2.000    59.1   656  1052   292  1182,0   52.6   10.69  3035.04  10.46     85.8

Your message is not very objective also!

Right is:
Never Shredder engines plays interesting attacking chess.
The playing style of the programs is more ... strong in endgames, boring in mid-games.
But Stefan have a lot of success with the boring style ... 19 times World Champion!
Any other programmer can beat that?

Such things I would like more to read!



Best
Frank

[ThomasMiller]

In 2022 we can use Deep Shredder 13 updated version available for the latest Windows family systems.

On the internet "birds are chirping" that Mr. Stefan Meyer-Kahlen is working on the next version of Shredder.

So it is worth taking a look at Deep Shredder 13 and through this review we will try to answer the question, is Deep Shredder 13 still the leading product in the chess software market in 2022 ?
Can Deep Shredder 13 compete with other modern chess software such as Fritz or Hiarcs Chess Explorer ?

I warmly invite you to read the review of Deep Shredder 13.

https://www.chessengeria.com/post/deep- ... -13-review

Interesting, but where are these chirping birds?

Stefan Meyer-Kahlen stated in a podcast that a new version of Shredder will be released this year.

[smatovic]

Stefan Meyer-Kahlen stated in a podcast that a new version of Shredder will be released this year.

Just saw Shredder on the 2022 ICGA participants list:

https://icga.org/?page_id=121

...only 7 on the list so far, how many has TCEC? >30?

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Srdja