So why not give 3 knights to a side or see how 9 pawns fare against 3 rooks? I bet there's a lot you don't know about those kind of starting positions but the lack of knowledge doesn't make them interesting.Chessqueen wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:46 am Well for one thing for sure most chess players did NOT know that an engine rated only 100 Elo higher could give 2 pawns odds and still win.
According to chess engine which is the worse 1st move ?
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Ovyron
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Re: According to chess engine which is the worse 1st move ?
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Re: According to chess engine which is the worse 1st move ?
[quote=Chessqueen post_id=927335 time=1654598676 user_id=10732]
So why not give 3 knights to a side or see how 9 pawns fare against 3 rooks? I bet there's a lot you don't know about those kind of starting positions but the lack of knowledge doesn't make them interesting.
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I am NOT interested in finding if 9 pawns fare against 2 Rooks, NOT 3 Rooks since it is equal to 15 points versus 9 points, At this moment I am only interested in finding what Elo difference between engines and still beat it, or if it can draw another engine that is between 75 up to 65 Elo weaker; whereas, it might Draw with less than 60 Elo Elo difference. Here Berserk is rated 3467 and igel is rated 3407 60 Elo difference and it still loss.
[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.06.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Berserk-8.5.1-x64-avx2"]
[Black "Igel-x64_bmi2_avx2_3_1_0"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "3407"]
[Time "01:35:13"]
[WhiteElo "3467"]
[TimeControl "1800+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPP1PP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "84"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 Nxe4 4. Qe2 d5 5. Nc3 Qe7 6. Nf3 c6 7. d3 Nxc3
8. bxc3 Na6 9. a4 Bd7 10. Be3 c5 11. g3 O-O-O 12. Kf2 Qf6 13. Bg5 Qxc3 14.
Bxd8 Kxd8 15. Qe5 d4 16. Rc1 f6 17. Qe4 Bc6 18. Qg4 h5 19. Qf5 Bd7 20. Qe4
Qb2 21. Bg2 Nb4 22. Rhd1 Na2 23. Qf4 Nxc1 24. Qb8+ Ke7 25. Re1+ Kf7 26. Kg1
Kg8 27. Nh4 Qxc2 28. Qxb7 Ne2+ 29. Kh1 Be8 30. Bd5+ Kh7 31. Bf3 Kh6 32.
Nf5+ Kh7 33. Rxe2 Qd1+ 34. Kg2 Bg6 35. Nh4 Bxd3 36. Qd5 g6 37. Re7+ Bxe7
38. Qf7+ Kh6 39. Bxd1 Rh7 40. Qa2 g5 41. Nf3 Bg6 42. Qe6 Rg7 43. Bb3 Bd8
44. Qc8 Be7 45. Bc4 Kh7 46. Kf1 a5 47. Ke1 Bf7 48. Bd3+ Bg6 49. Bxg6+ Kxg6
50. Qe6 Kh7 51. Kd2 h4 52. g4 Kh8 53. Kd3 Kh7 54. Nd2 Bf8 55. Qxf6 Kg8 56.
Nf3 Be7 57. Qe6+ Kh7 58. Ne5 Bf8 59. Nf7 c4+ 60. Kxc4 Bb4 {Black resigns} *[/pgn]
So why not give 3 knights to a side or see how 9 pawns fare against 3 rooks? I bet there's a lot you don't know about those kind of starting positions but the lack of knowledge doesn't make them interesting.
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I am NOT interested in finding if 9 pawns fare against 2 Rooks, NOT 3 Rooks since it is equal to 15 points versus 9 points, At this moment I am only interested in finding what Elo difference between engines and still beat it, or if it can draw another engine that is between 75 up to 65 Elo weaker; whereas, it might Draw with less than 60 Elo Elo difference. Here Berserk is rated 3467 and igel is rated 3407 60 Elo difference and it still loss.
[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.06.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Berserk-8.5.1-x64-avx2"]
[Black "Igel-x64_bmi2_avx2_3_1_0"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "3407"]
[Time "01:35:13"]
[WhiteElo "3467"]
[TimeControl "1800+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPP1PP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
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[BlackType "program"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 Nxe4 4. Qe2 d5 5. Nc3 Qe7 6. Nf3 c6 7. d3 Nxc3
8. bxc3 Na6 9. a4 Bd7 10. Be3 c5 11. g3 O-O-O 12. Kf2 Qf6 13. Bg5 Qxc3 14.
Bxd8 Kxd8 15. Qe5 d4 16. Rc1 f6 17. Qe4 Bc6 18. Qg4 h5 19. Qf5 Bd7 20. Qe4
Qb2 21. Bg2 Nb4 22. Rhd1 Na2 23. Qf4 Nxc1 24. Qb8+ Ke7 25. Re1+ Kf7 26. Kg1
Kg8 27. Nh4 Qxc2 28. Qxb7 Ne2+ 29. Kh1 Be8 30. Bd5+ Kh7 31. Bf3 Kh6 32.
Nf5+ Kh7 33. Rxe2 Qd1+ 34. Kg2 Bg6 35. Nh4 Bxd3 36. Qd5 g6 37. Re7+ Bxe7
38. Qf7+ Kh6 39. Bxd1 Rh7 40. Qa2 g5 41. Nf3 Bg6 42. Qe6 Rg7 43. Bb3 Bd8
44. Qc8 Be7 45. Bc4 Kh7 46. Kf1 a5 47. Ke1 Bf7 48. Bd3+ Bg6 49. Bxg6+ Kxg6
50. Qe6 Kh7 51. Kd2 h4 52. g4 Kh8 53. Kd3 Kh7 54. Nd2 Bf8 55. Qxf6 Kg8 56.
Nf3 Be7 57. Qe6+ Kh7 58. Ne5 Bf8 59. Nf7 c4+ 60. Kxc4 Bb4 {Black resigns} *[/pgn]
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Re: According to chess engine which is the worse 1st move ?
This topic is a shambles!
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Re: According to chess engine which is the worse 1st move ?
Well it is much better than wasting time watching TCEC matches where a stronger engine rated around 90 Elo more is giving the White side plus an opening that favor White, which is a sure win for the stronger engine. Do not worry too much, your newer version might win against this version of Berserk with the f2 pawn Odds ; The starting position is about -1.79 in favor of the Black side.
[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.06.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Berserk-8.5.1-x64-avx2"]
[Black "Igel-x64_bmi2_avx2_3_1_0"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "3407"]
[Time "01:35:13"]
[WhiteElo "3467"]
[TimeControl "1800+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPP1PP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "84"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 Nxe4 4. Qe2 d5 5. Nc3 Qe7 6. Nf3 c6 7. d3 Nxc3
8. bxc3 Na6 9. a4 Bd7 10. Be3 c5 11. g3 O-O-O 12. Kf2 Qf6 13. Bg5 Qxc3 14.
Bxd8 Kxd8 15. Qe5 d4 16. Rc1 f6 17. Qe4 Bc6 18. Qg4 h5 19. Qf5 Bd7 20. Qe4
Qb2 21. Bg2 Nb4 22. Rhd1 Na2 23. Qf4 Nxc1 24. Qb8+ Ke7 25. Re1+ Kf7 26. Kg1
Kg8 27. Nh4 Qxc2 28. Qxb7 Ne2+ 29. Kh1 Be8 30. Bd5+ Kh7 31. Bf3 Kh6 32.
Nf5+ Kh7 33. Rxe2 Qd1+ 34. Kg2 Bg6 35. Nh4 Bxd3 36. Qd5 g6 37. Re7+ Bxe7
38. Qf7+ Kh6 39. Bxd1 Rh7 40. Qa2 g5 41. Nf3 Bg6 42. Qe6 Rg7 43. Bb3 Bd8
44. Qc8 Be7 45. Bc4 Kh7 46. Kf1 a5 47. Ke1 Bf7 48. Bd3+ Bg6 49. Bxg6+ Kxg6
50. Qe6 Kh7 51. Kd2 h4 52. g4 Kh8 53. Kd3 Kh7 54. Nd2 Bf8 55. Qxf6 Kg8 56.
Nf3 Be7 57. Qe6+ Kh7 58. Ne5 Bf8 59. Nf7 c4+ 60. Kxc4 Bb4 {Black resigns} *
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Ovyron
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Re: According to chess engine which is the worse 1st move ?
I guess he's referring to the fact that most of your posts on the thread are off-topic and have nothing to do with "According to chess engine which is the worse 1st move ?", why don't you open a new thread to post your pawn odds games?Chessqueen wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:12 pmWell it is much better than wasting time watching TCEC matches where a stronger engine rated around 90 Elo more is giving the White side plus an opening that favor White, which is a sure win for the stronger engine.
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Re: According to chess engine which is the worse 1st move ?
Okay I will return to the original post "According to chess engine which is the worse 1st move ? " using Berserk rated 3467 Vs Igel rated 3407 to see what happen Next game. igel should NOT have any trouble beating Bersek with an Opening that is +4.04 in its favor, the game is in progressOvyron wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:18 pmI guess he's referring to the fact that most of your posts on the thread are off-topic and have nothing to do with "According to chess engine which is the worse 1st move ?", why don't you open a new thread to post your pawn odds games?Chessqueen wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:12 pmWell it is much better than wasting time watching TCEC matches where a stronger engine rated around 90 Elo more is giving the White side plus an opening that favor White, which is a sure win for the stronger engine.
[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.06.07"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Berserk-8.5.1-x64-avx2"]
[Black "Igel-x64_bmi2_avx2_3_1_0 [001]"]
[Result "?"]
[BlackElo "3407"]
[Time "07:38:34"]
[WhiteElo "3467"]
[TimeControl "960+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/6P1/8/PPPPP2P/RNBQKBNR b KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "7"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. ... e5 {(e7-e5) +4.15/26 71} 2. g5 {(g4-g5 Nb8-c6 d2-d3 h7-h6 Ng1-f3
h6xg5 Bc1xg5 f7-f6 Bg5-e3 d7-d5 c2-c3 Bc8-e6 Qd1-a4 Qd8-d7 Nb1-d2 g7-g5
O-O-O g5-g4 Nf3-e1 Nc6-e7 Qa4xd7+ Be6xd7 Bf1-g2 Bd7-e6 Be3-f2 Ne7-g6 e2-e4
Ng8-e7 d3-d4 Bf8-h6) -3.91/31 84} Nc6 {(Nb8-c6) +3.98/28 74} 3. d3 {(d2-d3
h7-h6 Ng1-f3 d7-d5 c2-c3 f7-f6 g5xf6 Ng8xf6 Bf1-g2 Bf8-c5 b2-b4 Bc5-d6 O-O
O-O Nb1-d2 Nf6-g4 Qd1-b3 Kg8-h8 Qb3xd5 Ng4-e3 Qd5-e4 Ne3xf1 Nd2xf1 Bc8-f5
Qe4-d5 e5-e4 d3xe4 Bf5-g4 b4-b5 Nc6-e7 Qd5xb7 Ra8-b8) -4.03/27 14} h6
{(h7-h6) +4.04/27 54} 4. h4 {(h2-h4 d7-d5 Bf1-g2 h6xg5 Bc1xg5 f7-f6 Bg5-d2
Bc8-g4 c2-c3 Qd8-d7 Qd1-a4 Ng8-e7 Bd2-e3 Nc6-d8 Qa4xd7+ Ke8xd7 Be3-f2
Nd8-e6 Nb1-d2 g7-g6 O-O-O Bf8-h6 Kc1-b1 Ra8-g8 Bg2-h3 Bg4xh3 Rh1xh3 Bh6xd2
Rd1xd2 b7-b6 Ng1-f3 Ne6-f4 Rh3-h1) -3.87/33 126} d5 {(d7-d5) +4.19/27 67}
5. Bg2 {(Bf1-g2 h6xg5 Bc1xg5 f7-f6 Bg5-d2 Bc8-e6 Nb1-c3 Qd8-d7 e2-e3 Ng8-e7
h4-h5 O-O-O Qd1-f3 Kc8-b8 Qf3-f2 Be6-g4 Bg2-f3 Bg4xf3 Ng1xf3 Qd7-e8 O-O-O
Rh8xh5 Kc1-b1 a7-a6 Qf2-g2 Rh5xh1 Rd1xh1 Ne7-c8 Rh1-h8 Qe8-f7 a2-a3)
-3.89/28 16} hxg5 {(h6xg5) +4.17/26 40} 6. Bxg5 {(Bc1xg5 f7-f6 Bg5-d2)
-4.08/29 22} f6 {(f7-f6) +4.22/27 40} 7. Bd2 {(Bg5-d2 Bc8-e6 Nb1-c3 Qd8-d7
e2-e3 Ng8-e7 h4-h5 O-O-O Qd1-f3 Kc8-b8 Qf3-f2 Be6-g4 Bg2-f3 Bg4xf3 Ng1xf3
Qd7-e8 O-O-O Rh8xh5 Qf2-g2 Rh5xh1 Rd1xh1 Qe8-g6 Qg2-h3 Qg6-f7 Kc1-b1 Ne7-c8
a2-a3 Bf8-c5) -4.04/30 37} Be6 {(Bc8-e6) +4.01/26 43} 8. Nc3 {(Nb1-c3
Qd8-d7 e2-e3 Ng8-e7 Qd1-f3 d5-d4 Nc3-e2 d4xe3 Qf3xe3 Ne7-d5 Qe3-g3 Nd5-b4
Ke1-d1 Nb4-d5 Qg3-f2 O-O-O a2-a3 Kc8-b8 Kd1-c1 Nc6-e7 b2-b3 Ne7-f5 Bg2-e4
Nf5-h6 Ne2-c3 Nh6-g4 Qf2-f3 c7-c6 Be4-g6 f6-f5 Kc1-b2) -3.98/30 31} Qd7
{(Qd8-d7 e2-e3 Ng8-e7 Qd1-f3 d5-d4 Nc3-e4 Ne7-f5 O-O-O O-O-O Kc1-b1 Qd7-d5
b2-b3 d4xe3 Bd2xe3 Rh8xh4 Ng1-e2 Rh4xh1 Bg2xh1 Kc8-b8 Be3-c1 Nf5-d4 Qf3-g2
Nd4xe2 Qg2xe2 Nc6-d4 Ne4xf6 Nd4xe2 Bh1xd5 Be6xd5) +4.10/25 54} *[/pgn]
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Re: According to chess engine which is the worse 1st move ?
I do not believe that it is a question of rating.
Maybe some NN engines are designed not to play well with handicap because they are trained for normal chess positions.
They are also not good with big material handicap for this reason.
basically 100 elo weaker engines should draw most of their games with the white pieces even with no handicap.
Maybe some NN engines are designed not to play well with handicap because they are trained for normal chess positions.
They are also not good with big material handicap for this reason.
basically 100 elo weaker engines should draw most of their games with the white pieces even with no handicap.
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Chessqueen
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Re: According to chess engine which is the worse 1st move ?
I am done with my experiment, but here are two non NN engines playing the 1.g4... Grob's opening, these two engines are only 70 Elo apart and Non NNUri Blass wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 4:37 pm I do not believe that it is a question of rating.
Maybe some NN engines are designed not to play well with handicap because they are trained for normal chess positions.
They are also not good with big material handicap for this reason.
basically 100 elo weaker engines should draw most of their games with the white pieces even with no handicap.
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[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.06.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Koivisto_8.0-x64-windows-avx2"]
[Black "Igel-x64_bmi2_avx2_3_1_0"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "3407"]
[ECO "A00"]
[Opening "Grob (Fric-Kilibr) Opening"]
[Time "16:44:39"]
[Variation "1...d5"]
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[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/6P1/8/PPPPPP1P/RNBQKBNR b KQkq - 0 1"]
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[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. ... d5 {(d7-d5 Bf1-g2 Nb8-c6 c2-c4 d5-d4 Bg2xc6+ b7xc6 Qd1-a4 Qd8-d6
Ng1-f3 Bc8-d7 Rh1-g1 c6-c5 Qa4-a5 e7-e5 d2-d3 h7-h5 g4-g5) +1.92/31 22} 2.
e3 {(e2-e3 e7-e5 d2-d4 Nb8-c6 Nb1-c3 Bc8-e6 d4xe5 Nc6xe5 Bf1-e2 Bf8-c5
Ng1-f3 Ne5xg4 Rh1-g1 Ng8-h6 h2-h3 Ng4-f6 Qd1-d3 Qd8-d6 a2-a3 Nh6-f5 b2-b4
Bc5-b6 Nc3-a4 O-O-O Bc1-b2 Qd6-e7 Nf3-g5 Rh8-e8 Ng5xe6 f7xe6 O-O-O Kc8-b8)
-1.38/33 40} e5 {(e7-e5 Nb1-c3 d5-d4 Nc3-e4 Ng8-f6 Ne4xf6+ Qd8xf6 Bf1-g2
d4xe3 d2xe3 Nb8-c6 h2-h3 Bc8-d7 Bc1-d2 O-O-O Bg2-e4 h7-h5 g4xh5 Qf6-e6
Qd1-f3 f7-f5 Be4-d5 Qe6-f6 O-O-O Bd7-e8 Qf3-g2 Be8xh5 Bd5-f3 Qf6-f7 Kc1-b1
Bf8-e7 Bf3xh5 Qf7xh5 Qg2-f3 e5-e4 Qf3xh5 Rh8xh5) +2.10/34 106} 3. d4
{(d2-d4 Nb8-c6 d4xe5 Nc6xe5 h2-h3 h7-h5 Nb1-c3 Bc8-e6 g4xh5 Ng8-f6 Ng1-f3
Rh8xh5 Bc1-d2 Bf8-c5 Nf3xe5 Rh5xe5 Qd1-f3 d5-d4 O-O-O Re5-f5 Qf3xb7 Ra8-b8
Qb7-c6+ Be6-d7 Qc6-g2 d4xc3 Bd2xc3 Bc5-f8 e3-e4 Rf5-c5 Bc3-d4 Qd8-e7 e4-e5
Rc5xe5 Bf1-c4) -1.47/33 30} exd4 {(e5xd4) +2.02/33 32} 4. exd4 {(e3xd4
Qd8-e7+ Bc1-e3 Qe7-e4 Ng1-f3 Bc8xg4 Nb1-d2 Qe4-e6 Rh1-g1 Ng8-f6 c2-c4
Nb8-c6 Qd1-b3 O-O-O c4-c5 h7-h6 O-O-O Nf6-e4 Rd1-e1 Bg4xf3 Nd2xf3 a7-a6
Re1-d1 g7-g6 Nf3-e1 Bf8-g7 Ne1-c2 Rh8-e8 Kc1-b1 Bg7-f6 f2-f3 Ne4-g5 Rg1-g4
Bf6-g7 Be3xg5) -1.38/34 16} Qe7+ {(Qd8-e7+ Bc1-e3 Qe7-e4 Ng1-f3 Bc8xg4
Nb1-d2 Qe4-e6 c2-c4 Ng8-f6 Qd1-a4+ Nb8-c6 Nf3-e5 O-O-O Ne5xc6 Qe6xc6 Qa4xc6
b7xc6 Bf1-g2 Bf8-b4 a2-a3 Bb4xd2+ Ke1xd2 d5xc4 Rh1-c1 Bg4-e6 Bg2xc6 Rd8-d6
Bc6-b5 Rd6-b6 Bb5xc4 Be6xc4 Rc1xc4 Rb6xb2+ Kd2-d3 Rb2-b3+ Kd3-c2 Rb3-b7
Rc4-b4 g7-g6 Rb4xb7 Kc8xb7 Kc2-d3 Rh8-e8 Ra1-b1+ Kb7-c8 Kd3-c4) +1.78/33
62} 5. Be3 {(Bc1-e3 Qe7-e4 Ng1-f3 Bc8xg4 Nb1-d2 Qe4-e6 c2-c4 Nb8-c6 c4xd5
Qe6xd5 Rh1-g1 Ng8-f6 Bf1-c4 Qd5-d7 d4-d5 Nc6-a5 Nf3-e5 Bg4xd1 Ne5xd7 Na5xc4
Nd7xf6+ g7xf6 Ra1xd1 Nc4xe3 f2xe3 O-O-O Nd2-f1 h7-h5 Ke1-f2 Rd8-e8 Kf2-f3
h5-h4 Rg1-g4 f6-f5 Rg4-g5 Re8-e5 Kf3-f4 Bf8-d6 Rg5xf5 Re5xf5+ Kf4xf5
Rh8-e8) -1.38/33 17} Qe4 {(Qe7-e4 Ng1-f3) +2.30/33 25} 6. Nf3 {(Ng1-f3
Bc8xg4 Nb1-d2 Qe4-e6 h2-h3 Bg4-f5 c2-c3 Nb8-d7 Qd1-b3 Qe6-b6 Nf3-h4 Bf5-e6
Nd2-f3 h7-h6 Bf1-d3 O-O-O Nh4-g2 Bf8-d6 Ng2-f4 Bd6xf4 Be3xf4 Rd8-e8 Qb3xb6
a7xb6 a2-a4 Be6-f5+ Ke1-d2 Bf5xd3 Kd2xd3 Ng8-e7 Bf4-g3 Ne7-f5 a4-a5 Re8-e6)
-1.37/36 17} Bxg4 {(Bc8xg4 Nb1-d2 Qe4-e6 c2-c4) +2.09/32 16} 7. Nbd2
{(Nb1-d2 Qe4-e6 h2-h3 Bg4-h5 Bf1-g2 Ng8-f6 O-O Bf8-d6 c2-c4 O-O Qd1-b3
Nb8-c6 c4xd5 Qe6xd5 Nf3-h4 Qd5xb3 Nd2xb3 g7-g6 Rf1-c1 Ra8-b8 Nh4-f3 Rf8-e8
Nf3-d2 Nc6-e7 Nd2-c4 Ne7-f5 Nc4xd6 c7xd6 Be3-g5 Nf6-e4 Bg5-f4 Nf5-h4 Rc1-c7
Ne4xf2 Kg1xf2 Re8-e2+ Kf2-f1) -1.35/37 17} Qe6 {(Qe4-e6 c2-c4 Nb8-c6 c4xd5
Qe6xd5 Rh1-g1 Ng8-f6 Bf1-c4 Qd5-d7 d4-d5 Nc6-b4 a2-a3 Nb4xd5 Qd1-b3 O-O-O
Nf3-e5 Qd7-f5 Ne5xg4 Nf6xg4 Bc4xd5 Rd8xd5 Rg1xg4 Rd5xd2 Rg4-f4 Qf5-d5
Qb3xd5 Rd2xd5 Rf4xf7 Rd5-d7 Rf7xd7 Kc8xd7 Ke1-e2 Bf8-d6 h2-h4 a7-a6 h4-h5
Rh8-e8 Ra1-g1 Bd6-e5 b2-b4 Be5-f6 a3-a4 Re8-e5 Rg1-d1+ Kd7-e6) +2.11/32 30}
8. c4 {(c2-c4 Ng8-f6 Qd1-a4+ Qe6-c6 Qa4-c2) -2.22/31 36} Nf6 {(Ng8-f6)
+1.43/29 126} 9. Qa4+ {(Qd1-a4+ Qe6-c6 Qa4-b3 Nb8-d7 c4-c5 a7-a6 Rh1-g1
Bg4-f5 O-O-O g7-g6) -1.65/30 24} Qc6 {(Qe6-c6) +1.18/27 48} 10. Qb3
{(Qa4-b3 Qc6-b6 Nf3-e5 Qb6xb3) -1.60/31 19} Nbd7 {(Nb8-d7) +1.47/27 45} 11.
c5 {(c4-c5 a7-a6) -1.24/30 15} a6 {(a7-a6) +1.07/28 42} 12. Rg1 {(Rh1-g1
Bg4-e6 Nf3-g5 Be6-f5 Nd2-c4 b7-b6 Nc4-e5 Nd7xe5 d4xe5 Nf6-g4 Bf1-g2 Ng4xe3
f2xe3 Bf5-e6 Ra1-d1 Ra8-d8 c5xb6) -1.68/32 15} Bh5 {(Bg4-h5) +0.61/26 39}
13. O-O-O {(O-O-O O-O-O Kc1-b1 Nf6-g4 Rd1-c1 Bf8-e7 Nf3-e1 Rh8-e8 Ne1-d3
Ng4xe3 f2xe3 Bh5-g6 Rg1xg6 Qc6xg6 c5-c6 Nd7-b6 c6xb7+ Kc8xb7 e3-e4 d5xe4
Nd3-e5 Qg6-d6 Ne5-c6 Be7-g5 Nd2-c4 Qd6-f4 Nc6xd8+ Re8xd8 Nc4-a5+ Kb7-a8)
-0.30/29 27} O-O-O {(O-O-O) +0.46/26 37} 14. Kb1 {(Kc1-b1 Nf6-g4 Rd1-c1
Bf8-e7 Nf3-e1 Rh8-e8 Ne1-d3 Ng4xe3 f2xe3 Bh5-g6 Rg1xg6 Qc6xg6 c5-c6 Nd7-b6
e3-e4 Be7-g5 c6xb7+ Kc8xb7 Nd3-c5+ Kb7-a7 Bf1xa6 Bg5xd2 Ba6-b5 Ka7-b8
Nc5-a6+ Kb8-a8 Na6-c5 Ka8-b8 Nc5-a6+ Kb8-a8 Na6-c5 Ka8-b8 Nc5-a6+ Kb8-a8
Na6-c5 Ka8-b8 Nc5-a6+ Kb8-a8 Na6-c5 Ka8-b8 Nc5-a6+ Kb8-a8 Na6-c5 Ka8-b8
Nc5-a6+ Kb8-a8 Na6-c5 Ka8-b8 Nc5-a6+ Kb8-a8 Na6-c5 Ka8-b8 Nc5-a6+ Kb8-a8
Na6-c5 Ka8-b8 Nc5-a6+ Kb8-a8 Na6-c5 Ka8-b8) -0.07/29 24} Ng4 {(Nf6-g4)
+0.62/26 35} 15. Rc1 {(Rd1-c1 Ng4xe3 f2xe3 Bf8-e7 Kb1-a1 Rh8-e8 Nf3-e1)
-0.07/30 31} Re8 {(Rd8-e8) +0.52/26 33} 16. Ne1 {(Nf3-e1 Ng4xe3 f2xe3
Kc8-b8 Ne1-c2 Bh5-g6 e3-e4 d5xe4 Kb1-a1) +0.05/29 36} Bg6+ {(Bh5-g6+)
0.00/28 31} 17. Ka1 {(Kb1-a1 Ng4xe3) +0.51/31 34} h5 {(h7-h5) 0.00/29 21}
18. Bf4 {(Be3-f4 Nd7-b8) +0.47/30 26} Nxf2 {(Ng4xf2) -0.23/27 29} 19. Ndf3
{(Nd2-f3 Bg6-f5 Nf3-g5 Bf5-g6 Ne1-c2 Qc6-f6 Nc2-b4 Qf6xf4 Bf1xa6 b7xa6
Qb3-a4 Nd7-f6) +0.23/35 104} Be4 {(Bg6-e4 Nf3-g5 Be4-g6 Ng5-f3) 0.00/30 16}
20. Ng5 {(Nf3-g5 Be4-g6 Ne1-c2 Qc6-f6 Nc2-b4 Qf6xf4 Bf1xa6 b7xa6 Qb3-a4
Bg6-d3 Nb4xd3 Nf2xd3 Qa4xa6+ Kc8-b8 c5-c6 Nd7-c5 d4xc5 Qf4-b4 Qa6xd3 Bf8xc5
Rg1-d1 f7-f6 Ng5-f7 Rh8-f8 a2-a3 Qb4-b6 Qd3xd5 Re8-e2 Rc1-b1 Rf8-e8 Rd1-d3
Re2-e3 Rb1-d1 Kb8-a7 Nf7-d8 Re3xd3 Rd1xd3 Qb6-b5 Ka1-a2 Re8-e5 Qd5-f7
Re5-e7 Rd3-b3 Re7xf7 Rb3xb5) +0.29/31 12} Bg6 {(Be4-g6) 0.00/31 7} 21. Nc2
{(Ne1-c2 Qc6-f6 Nc2-b4 Qf6xf4 Bf1xa6 b7xa6 Qb3-a4 Nd7-f6 Qa4xa6+ Kc8-d8
Qa6-b5 Kd8-c8 Nb4-c6 Nf6-e4 Rc1-e1 f7-f6 Qb5-a6+ Kc8-d7 Qa6-a4 Kd7-c8
Qa4-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-a4 Kd7-c8 Qa4-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-a4 Kd7-c8 Qa4-a8+ Kc8-d7
Qa8-a4 Kd7-c8 Qa4-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-a4 Kd7-c8 Qa4-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-a4 Kd7-c8
Qa4-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-a4 Kd7-c8 Qa4-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-a4 Kd7-c8 Qa4-a8+ Kc8-d7
Qa8-a4 Kd7-c8 Qa4-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-a4 Kd7-c8 Qa4-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-a4 Kd7-c8
Qa4-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-a4 Kd7-c8 Qa4-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-a4 Kd7-c8 Qa4-a8+ Kc8-d7
Qa8-a4 Kd7-c8 Qa4-a8+) +0.06/33 43} Qf6 {(Qc6-f6) +0.35/27 27} 22. Nb4
{(Nc2-b4 Qf6xf4 Bf1xa6 b7xa6 Qb3-a4 Nd7-f6 Qa4xa6+ Kc8-d8 Qa6-b5 Kd8-c8
Qb5-a6+ Kc8-d8 Qa6-b5 Kd8-c8 Qb5-a6+ Kc8-d8 Qa6-b5 Kd8-c8 Qb5-a6+ Kc8-d8
Qa6-b5 Kd8-c8 Qb5-a6+ Kc8-d8 Qa6-b5 Kd8-c8 Qb5-a6+ Kc8-d8 Qa6-b5 Kd8-c8
Qb5-a6+ Kc8-d8 Qa6-b5 Kd8-c8 Qb5-a6+ Kc8-d8 Qa6-b5 Kd8-c8 Qb5-a6+ Kc8-d8
Qa6-b5 Kd8-c8 Qb5-a6+ Kc8-d8 Qa6-b5 Kd8-c8 Qb5-a6+ Kc8-d8 Qa6-b5 Kd8-c8
Qb5-a6+ Kc8-d8 Qa6-b5 Kd8-c8 Qb5-a6+ Kc8-d8 Qa6-b5 Kd8-c8 Qb5-a6+ Kc8-d8
Qa6-b5 Kd8-c8 Qb5-a6+ Kc8-d8) +0.04/34 42} Qxf4 {(Qf6xf4) 0.00/33 95} 23.
Bxa6 {(Bf1xa6 b7xa6 Qb3-a4 Nd7-f6 Qa4xa6+ Kc8-d8 Qa6-b5 Kd8-c8 Nb4-c6
Rh8-g8 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 h2-h4 Nf2-d3 Rg1-f1 Qf4-h2 Rc1-c2 Qh2xc2 Na7-c6+
Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+ Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+ Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+
Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+ Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+ Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+
Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+ Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+ Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+
Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+ Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+ Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+
Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+ Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+ Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+
Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+ Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+) +0.07/34 41} bxa6 {(b7xa6) 0.00/30 26} 24.
Qa4 {(Qb3-a4 Nd7-f6 Qa4xa6+ Kc8-d8 Qa6-b5 Kd8-c8 Nb4-c6 Nf6-e4 Nc6-a7+
Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+ Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+ Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+
Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+ Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+ Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+
Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+ Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+ Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+
Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+ Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+ Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+
Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+ Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+ Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+
Kd8-c8 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 Na7-c6+ Kd8-c8) +0.06/34 34} Nf6 {(Nd7-f6) 0.00/32
62} 25. Qxa6+ {(Qa4xa6+ Kc8-d8 Qa6-b5 Kd8-c8 h2-h4 Qf4xd4 Qb5-a6+ Kc8-d7
Qa6-a4+ Kd7-c8 Qa4-a6+ Kc8-d7 Qa6-a4+ Kd7-c8 Qa4-a6+ Kc8-d7 Qa6-a4+ Kd7-c8
Qa4-a6+ Kc8-d7 Qa6-a4+ Kd7-c8 Qa4-a6+ Kc8-d7 Qa6-a4+ Kd7-c8 Qa4-a6+ Kc8-d7
Qa6-a4+ Kd7-c8 Qa4-a6+ Kc8-d7 Qa6-a4+ Kd7-c8 Qa4-a6+ Kc8-d7 Qa6-a4+ Kd7-c8
Qa4-a6+ Kc8-d7 Qa6-a4+ Kd7-c8 Qa4-a6+ Kc8-d7 Qa6-a4+ Kd7-c8 Qa4-a6+ Kc8-d7
Qa6-a4+ Kd7-c8 Qa4-a6+ Kc8-d7 Qa6-a4+ Kd7-c8 Qa4-a6+ Kc8-d7 Qa6-a4+ Kd7-c8
Qa4-a6+ Kc8-d7 Qa6-a4+) +0.05/32 32} Kd7 {(Kc8-d7 Qa6-b5+ Kd7-c8 Nb4xd5
Qf4xd4 Nd5xf6 Re8-d8 Qb5-a6+ Kc8-b8 Qa6-b5+ Kb8-c8) 0.00/31 22} 26. Qa4+
{(Qa6-a4+) +0.52/34 48} Kc8 {(Kd7-c8) 0.00/35 32} 27. Qa8+ {(Qa4-a8+ Kc8-d7
Qa8-c6+ Kd7-c8 Nb4xd5 Nf6xd5 Qc6-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8xd5+ Kd7-c8 Qd5-a8+ Kc8-d7
Qa8-d5+ Kd7-c8 Qd5-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-d5+ Kd7-c8 Qd5-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-d5+ Kd7-c8
Qd5-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-d5+ Kd7-c8 Qd5-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-d5+ Kd7-c8 Qd5-a8+ Kc8-d7
Qa8-d5+ Kd7-c8 Qd5-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-d5+ Kd7-c8 Qd5-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-d5+ Kd7-c8
Qd5-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-d5+ Kd7-c8 Qd5-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-d5+ Kd7-c8 Qd5-a8+ Kc8-d7
Qa8-d5+ Kd7-c8 Qd5-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-d5+ Kd7-c8 Qd5-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-d5+ Kd7-c8
Qd5-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-d5+ Kd7-c8 Qd5-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-d5+ Kd7-c8 Qd5-a8+ Kc8-d7
Qa8-d5+ Kd7-c8 Qd5-a8+ Kc8-d7 Qa8-d5+) +0.06/37 121} Kd7 28. Qc6+ {(Qa8-c6+
Kd7-d8 Qc6-b5 Kd8-c8 Nb4-c6 Nf2-e4 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8 Rc1-f1) +0.06/33 30} Kd8
{(Kd7-d8) 0.00/31 25} 29. Qb5 {(Qc6-b5 Kd8-c8 Nb4-c6 Nf2-e4 Nc6-a7+ Kc8-d8
Rc1-f1 Ne4-f2) +0.07/34 21} Nd3 {(Nf2-d3) 0.00/34 80} 30. Nc6+ {(Nb4-c6+
Kd8-c8 Nc6-e7+ Kc8-d8 Ne7xg6 Qf4xd4) +2.38/34 25} Kc8 {(Kd8-c8) 0.00/33 32}
31. Ne7+ {(Nc6-e7+ Kc8-d8 Ne7xg6 Qf4xd4 Ng5xf7+ Kd8-c8 Rg1-g3 Qd4-c4
Qb5xe8+ Nf6xe8 Rc1xc4 d5xc4 Ng6xh8 Bf8xc5 Ka1-b1 Ne8-f6 Rg3xg7 Bc5-d4
Nh8-g6 Bd4xb2 Ng6-f4 Bb2-d4 Nf4xd3 c4xd3 Rg7-g3 d3-d2 Kb1-c2 Nf6-g4 Kc2xd2
Ng4xh2 Rg3-h3 Nh2-g4 Rh3xh5 Ng4-f6 Rh5-h4 Bd4-c5 Kd2-d3 Nf6-d7 Kd3-c4
Bc5-e7 Rh4-e4 Be7-f6 Re4-e2 Kc8-b7 Nf7-h6 Bf6-g5 Nh6-f5 Bg5-f4 Re2-e4
Bf4-c1 Kc4-c3 Kb7-c6 Nf5-d4+ Kc6-c5) +2.29/36 26} Kd8 {(Kc8-d8) 0.00/34 20}
32. Nxg6 {(Ne7xg6 Qf4xd4 Ng5xf7+ Kd8-c8 Rg1-g3) +2.34/36 20} Qxd4 {(Qf4xd4)
-1.50/31 72} 33. Nxf7+ {(Ng5xf7+ Kd8-c8 Rg1-g3 Qd4-c4 Qb5xe8+ Nf6xe8 Rc1xc4
d5xc4 Ng6xh8 Bf8xc5 Ka1-b1 Ne8-f6 Rg3xg7 Bc5-d4 Nh8-g6 Bd4xb2 Ng6-f4 Bb2-d4
Nf4xd3 c4xd3 Rg7-g3 d3-d2 Kb1-c2 Nf6-g4 Kc2xd2 Ng4xh2 Rg3-h3 Nh2-g4 Rh3xh5
Ng4-f6 Rh5-h4 Bd4-c5 Rh4-h6 Nf6-d7 Kd2-c3 Nd7-b6 Rh6-h5 Nb6-d7 Kc3-c2
Kc8-b7 Rh5-h6 Nd7-b6) +2.30/38 44} Kc8 34. Rg3 {(Rg1-g3 Qd4-c4 Qb5xe8+
Nf6xe8 Rc1xc4 d5xc4 Ng6xh8 Bf8xc5 Ka1-b1 Ne8-f6 Rg3xg7 Bc5-d4 Nh8-g6 Bd4xb2
Ng6-f4 Bb2-d4 Nf4xd3 c4xd3 Rg7-g3 d3-d2 Kb1-c2 Nf6-g4 Kc2xd2 Ng4xh2 Rg3-h3
Nh2-g4 Rh3xh5 Ng4-f6 Rh5-h4 Bd4-c5 Rh4-h6 Nf6-d7 Kd2-c3 Bc5-e7 Rh6-e6
Be7-h4 Nf7-h6 Bh4-g5 Nh6-f5 Kc8-b7 Re6-e4 Bg5-f6+ Kc3-c4 Nd7-b6+ Kc4-d3
Bf6-a1 Re4-e6 Kb7-c8 Re6-e8+ Kc8-d7) +2.28/39 38} Qxb2+ {(Qd4xb2+ Qb5xb2
Nd3xb2 Nf7xh8 Nb2-c4 Ng6xf8 Re8xf8 Nh8-g6 Rf8-e8 Ng6-f4 Re8-e4 Nf4-d3
Re4-g4 Rg3xg4 h5xg4 Nd3-b4 Nc4-e3 a2-a4 g7-g5 a4-a5 Kc8-b7 Rc1-b1 Kb7-a7
Rb1-e1 d5-d4 Ka1-b2 Ka7-b7 a5-a6+ Kb7-a7 Nb4-c6+ Ka7xa6 Nc6xd4 Nf6-d5
Kb2-b3 Ka6-b7 Re1-e2 Kb7-a7 Nd4-e6) -1.96/30 68} 35. Qxb2 {(Qb5xb2)
+2.31/1} Nxb2 {(Nd3xb2) -2.51/33 63} 36. Nfxh8 {(Nf7xh8 Nb2-c4 Ng6xf8
Re8xf8 Nh8-g6 Rf8-e8 Ng6-f4 c7-c6 Rg3xg7 Nf6-d7 Rg7-g6 Nd7-e5 Rg6-e6 Re8xe6
Nf4xe6 Kc8-d7 Ne6-d4 Ne5-d3 Rc1-g1 Nd3xc5 Rg1-g7+ Kd7-d6 Rg7-g6+ Kd6-e5
Nd4xc6+ Ke5-e4 Rg6-g5 Nc5-d3 a2-a4 Nd3-c5 Rg5xh5 Nc5xa4 Rh5-h4+ Ke4-e3
Nc6-b4 Na4-b6 Nb4xd5+ Nb6xd5 Rh4xc4 Nd5-f6 Rc4-c1 Ke3-d4 Ka1-b2 Nf6-e4)
+3.05/34 38} Nc4 {(Nb2-c4) -2.02/33 59} 37. Nxf8 {(Ng6xf8 Re8xf8 Nh8-g6
Rf8-e8 Ng6-f4 Re8-e4 Nf4-d3 Re4-d4 c5-c6) +3.16/34 33} Rxf8 {(Re8xf8)
-2.59/31 55} 38. Ng6 {(Nh8-g6 Rf8-e8) +3.15/33 27} Re8 {(Rf8-e8) -2.19/31
52} 39. Nf4 {(Ng6-f4 Re8-e4 Nf4-d3 Re4-e7 c5-c6 Kc8-d8 Rc1-g1 Re7-e6 Nd3-b4
Kd8-e7 Rg3xg7+ Ke7-d6 Nb4-a6 Re6-e2 Na6xc7 Re2-f2 Rg7-f7 Kd6xc6 Nc7-e8
Nf6-e4 Rf7xf2 Ne4xf2 Rg1-g6+ Kc6-c5 Ne8-f6 d5-d4 Rg6-g2 Nf2-d1 Rg2-g5+
Kc5-b4 Nf6-d5+ Kb4-a3 Rg5-g3+ Ka3-a4 Nd5-f4) +2.99/33 28} Re4 {(Re8-e4)
-1.99/31 49} 40. Nd3 {(Nf4-d3 Re4-g4 Rg3xg4 h5xg4 Rc1-e1 Kc8-d8) +3.03/35
38} Ng4 {(Nf6-g4) -2.01/30 46} 41. c6 {(c5-c6 g7-g6 Rg3-f3 Kc8-d8) +3.46/32
25} g6 {(g7-g6) -2.27/32 43} 42. Rf3 {(Rg3-f3 Kc8-d8 Rf3-f7 Nc4-e5 Nd3xe5
Ng4xe5 Rf7-g7 d5-d4) +3.60/31 17} Kd8 {(Kc8-d8) -3.23/30 40} 43. Rf7
{(Rf3-f7 Ng4-e5) +3.74/34 32} Nge3 {(Ng4-e3) -3.39/29 38} 44. Rd7+
{(Rf7-d7+ Kd8-c8 Rd7-g7 Re4-e8 Rg7xg6 Nc4-a3) +4.26/27 20} Kc8 {(Kd8-c8
Rd7-g7 Re4-e8 Rg7xg6 d5-d4 Rg6-g7 Re8-d8 Rg7-h7 Rd8-g8 Rh7xh5 Kc8-b8 Rh5-h4
Rg8-d8 Rh4-h7 Rd8-g8 a2-a4 Nc4-d2 Ka1-a2 Nd2-c4 Ka2-b3 Nc4-d2+ Kb3-a3
Rg8-g2 a4-a5 Ne3-g4 a5-a6 Kb8-a7 Rh7xc7+ Ka7xa6 Rc7-d7 Ng4xh2) -3.46/28 36}
45. Rg7 {(Rd7-g7 Re4-e8) +4.30/30 19} Re8 {(Re4-e8) -3.78/24 24} 46. Rxg6
{(Rg7xg6 Kc8-b8 Rc1-b1+ Kb8-a7 Rb1-b7+ Ka7-a6 Ka1-b1 Re8-f8 a2-a4 Nc4-b6
Kb1-a2 Ne3-c4 Rb7xc7 Nb6xa4 Rc7-h7 Na4-b6 c6-c7 Ka6-b5 Ka2-b3) +4.22/30 29}
d4 {(d5-d4) -3.67/24 33} 47. Rg5 {(Rg6-g5 h5-h4 Rg5-h5 Kc8-b8 Rh5xh4 Re8-d8
Rh4-h5) +4.56/31 17} Rd8 {(Re8-d8) -3.77/25 31} 48. Rxh5 {(Rg5xh5 Rd8-g8
Rh5-c5 Nc4-b6 h2-h4 Rg8-h8 h4-h5 Kc8-d8 Nd3-f4 Rh8-h6 Rc5-e5 Nb6-c4 Re5-e4
Rh6xc6 Re4xd4+ Kd8-c8 Rc1-c3 Rc6-f6 Rd4-e4 Rf6-b6 Re4-e6 Rb6-b4 Re6-e8+
Kc8-b7 Re8-e4 Rb4-b5 Re4xe3 Nc4xe3 Rc3xe3 Rb5-b4 Re3-b3 Rb4xb3 a2xb3 Kb7-a7
Ka1-b2) +5.57/32 20} Kb8 {(Kc8-b8) -4.04/27 29} 49. Rb5+ {(Rh5-b5+ Kb8-c8
Rb5-c5 Rd8-h8 Rc5xc4 Ne3xc4 Rc1xc4 Rh8-h6 Rc4xd4 Rh6xc6 Ka1-b2 Rc6-g6 h2-h4
Rg6-g2+ Kb2-b3 Kc8-b7 a2-a4 Kb7-b6 Kb3-c4 c7-c6 Rd4-e4 Rg2-a2 Kc4-b4 Ra2-a1
Nd3-c5 Ra1-c1 Re4-c4 Rc1-e1 Nc5-b3 Re1-h1 Rc4-e4 Rh1-b1 Kb4-c3 Rb1-h1
Kc3-d3 Rh1-b1 Kd3-c4) +5.98/34 24} Kc8 {(Kb8-c8) -4.61/27 28} 50. Rc5
{(Rb5-c5 Rd8-d6 Rc5xc4) +6.02/35 18} Nb6 {(Nc4-b6) -4.73/27 26} 51. Rg5
{(Rc5-g5 Kc8-b8) +6.24/34 27} Rh8 {(Rd8-h8) -4.48/27 25} 52. Rcg1 {(Rc1-g1
Kc8-b8 Rg5-g8+ Rh8xg8 Rg1xg8+ Kb8-a7 h2-h4) +6.49/37 18} Kd8 {(Kc8-d8)
-5.94/26 24} 53. Rg8+ {(Rg5-g8+ Rh8xg8 Rg1xg8+ Kd8-e7 h2-h4 Nb6-d5 h4-h5
Nd5-f6 h5-h6 Ne3-f5 Rg8-g6 Ke7-f7 Nd3-e5+ Kf7-e7 a2-a4 Nf5-h4 Rg6-g5 Ke7-e6
Ne5-d3 Ke6-d6 Rg5-c5 Nh4-g6 Rc5-f5 Nf6-h7 Ka1-b2 Kd6xc6 Kb2-b3 Kc6-b7
Rf5-f7 Nh7-f8 Nd3-c5+ Kb7-c8 a4-a5 Kc8-b8 Rf7-g7 Kb8-c8) +7.24/31 22} Rxg8
{(Rh8xg8) -6.19/29 23} 54. Rxg8+ {(Rg1xg8+ Kd8-e7 h2-h4 Ne3-f5 h4-h5 Nb6-c4
Rg8-g6 Ke7-f7 a2-a4 Nf5-e7 Rg6-g5 Kf7-f6 Rg5-g1 Ne7-f5 Rg1-g6+ Kf6-f7
Ka1-a2 Nf5-d6 Rg6-g5 Kf7-f6 Rg5-g2 Nd6-f7 Rg2-g4 Nc4-e5 Rg4xd4 Ne5xc6
Rd4-d7 Nc6-d8 Rd7xc7 Nd8-e6 Rc7-c6 Nf7-d8 Rc6-d6 Kf6-f5 Ka2-b2 Kf5-g5
Rd6-d5+ Kg5-h6) +7.40/32 20} Ke7 55. h4 {(h2-h4 Nb6-c4 h4-h5 Ne3-f5)
+7.56/32 28} Kf7 {(Ke7-f7) -5.01/25 22} 56. Rg5 {(Rg8-g5 Kf7-f6 Rg5-g1
Ne3-f5 h4-h5 Nb6-c4) +7.89/34 39} Kf6 {(Kf7-f6) -5.08/32 21} 57. Rg1
{(Rg5-g1 Nb6-c4 h4-h5 Ne3-f5) +7.98/33 26} Nbc4 {(Nb6-c4) -5.19/30 21} 58.
h5 {(h4-h5 Ne3-f5 Rg1-g6+ Kf6-f7) +8.02/35 25} Nf5 {(Ne3-f5) -5.14/31 20}
59. Rg6+ {(Rg1-g6+ Kf6-e7 a2-a4 Ke7-f7 Ka1-a2 Nf5-d6 Rg6-g5 Kf7-f6 Rg5-g4
Kf6-f5 Rg4xd4 Kf5-g5 Rd4-d5+ Kg5-h6 Ka2-b3 Nc4-b6 Rd5-e5 Nb6-c8 Nd3-f2
Kh6-g7 Nf2-g4 Kg7-f8 Kb3-b4 Nd6-f7 Re5-e3 Nf7-d8 Ng4-e5 Kf8-g7 Re3-f3
Nc8-e7 Kb4-c5 Nd8-e6+ Kc5-c4 Ne6-d8 Kc4-b5) +7.98/33 16} Kf7 {(Kf6-f7)
-5.63/30 19} 60. a4 {(a2-a4 Nf5-h4 Rg6-g5 Kf7-f6 Rg5-g1 Nh4-f5) +8.11/35
15} Nh4 {(Nf5-h4) -7.22/29 18} 61. Rg5 {(Rg6-g5) +8.35/35 25} Kf6 {(Kf7-f6)
-7.00/31 18} 62. Rg3 {(Rg5-g3 Nh4-f5) +8.46/34 25} Nf5 {(Nh4-f5) -7.02/29
17} 63. Rg6+ {(Rg3-g6+ Kf6-f7 Ka1-a2 Nf5-e7 Rg6-g5 Ne7-g8 Ka2-b3 Nc4-d2+
Kb3-b4 Nd2-e4 Rg5-f5+ Kf7-g7 Rf5-e5 Ne4-c3 a4-a5 Kg7-f6 a5-a6 Ng8-e7 Re5-c5
Nc3-d5+ Kb4-c4 Nd5-b6+ Kc4xd4 Ne7-f5+ Kd4-e4 Nf5-d6+ Ke4-f4 Kf6-g7)
+8.71/31 15} Kf7 {(Kf6-f7) -8.87/29 16} 64. Ka2 {(Ka1-a2 Nf5-e7 Rg6-g5
Ne7-g8 Ka2-b3 Nc4-d2+ Kb3-b4 Nd2-e4 Rg5-f5+ Kf7-g7 Rf5-e5 Ne4-c3 a4-a5
Kg7-f6 a5-a6 Ng8-e7 Re5-c5 Nc3-d5+ Kb4-c4 Nd5-b6+ Kc4xd4 Ne7-f5+ Kd4-e4
Nf5-d6+ Ke4-f4 Kf6-g7 Nd3-f2 Nb6-c8 Kf4-e5 Kg7-f7 Nf2-d3 Nd6-e8 Rc5-c2
Ne8-d6 Nd3-f4 Kf7-g7 Ke5-e6 Nd6-b5 Rc2-c5 Nc8-a7 Ke6-d7 Nb5-d4 Nf4-e6+
Nd4xe6 Kd7xe6) +8.93/30 15} Nfd6 {(Nf5-d6) -6.31/26 16} 65. a5 {(a4-a5
Nc4xa5 Rg6xd6 Kf7-g7 Rd6-g6+ Kg7-h8) +10.81/28 20} Nc8 {(Nd6-c8) -10.35/27
15} 66. a6 {(a5-a6 Nc4-d6) +12.57/28 24} Na7 {(Nc8-a7) -12.59/25 15} 67.
Rg1 {(Rg6-g1 Na7-b5 Ka2-b3 Nc4-d2+ Kb3-b4 Nd2-f3) +14.41/25 18} Nb5
{(Na7-b5) -16.46/20 14} 68. Kb3 {(Ka2-b3 Nc4-d2+ Kb3-b4 Nb5-a7 h5-h6
Na7xc6+ Kb4-c5 Nc6-e7 h6-h7 Nd2-b3+ Kc5-b4 Nb3-c1 Nd3-e5+ Kf7-e6 Rg1xc1
d4-d3 h7-h8Q d3-d2 Qh8-h6+ Ke6xe5 Qh6xd2 Ne7-d5+ Kb4-c5 Nd5-b6 Qd2-d4+
Ke5-e6 Kc5-b5 Nb6-c8 Rc1xc7 Nc8-e7 Qd4-d7+ Ke6-e5 Qd7xe7+ Ke5-d5) +16.28/27
17} Na5+ {(Nc4-a5+) -13.71/20 14} 69. Ka4 {(Kb3-a4 Nb5-a3 Ka4xa5 Kf7-e6
a6-a7 Na3-c4+ Ka5-b5 Nc4-b6 Kb5-c5 Ke6-f5 Kc5xd4 Kf5-e6 h5-h6 Ke6-d6
Rg1-g6+ Kd6-e7 h6-h7 Ke7-f7 Rg6-g1 Kf7-f8 h7-h8Q+ Kf8-e7 Rg1-g7+ Ke7-f6
Qh8-f8+ Kf6-e6 Nd3-f4+) +M13/32 13} Na7 {(Nb5-a7) -24.07/25 14 Black
resigns}[/pgn]
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Guenther
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- Full name: Guenther Simon
Re: According to chess engine which is the worse 1st move ?
Wrong... both programs use NN. sigh...Chessqueen wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:17 pmI am done with my experiment, but here are two non NN engines playing the 1.g4... Grob's opening, these two engines are only 70 Elo apart and Non NNUri Blass wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 4:37 pm I do not believe that it is a question of rating.
Maybe some NN engines are designed not to play well with handicap because they are trained for normal chess positions.
They are also not good with big material handicap for this reason.
basically 100 elo weaker engines should draw most of their games with the white pieces even with no handicap.
[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.06.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Koivisto_8.0-x64-windows-avx2"]
[Black "Igel-x64_bmi2_avx2_3_1_0"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "3407"]
[ECO "A00"]
[Opening "Grob (Fric-Kilibr) Opening"]
[Time "16:44:39"]
[Variation "1...d5"]
[WhiteElo "3477"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/6P1/8/PPPPPP1P/RNBQKBNR b KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "137"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
bla bla[/pgn]
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Chessqueen
- Posts: 5685
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- Location: Moving
- Full name: Jorge Picado
Re: According to chess engine which is the worse 1st move ?
Bla Bla BlaGuenther wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:45 pmWrong... both programs use NN. sigh...Chessqueen wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:17 pmI am done with my experiment, but here are two non NN engines playing the 1.g4... Grob's opening, these two engines are only 70 Elo apart and Non NNUri Blass wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 4:37 pm I do not believe that it is a question of rating.
Maybe some NN engines are designed not to play well with handicap because they are trained for normal chess positions.
They are also not good with big material handicap for this reason.
basically 100 elo weaker engines should draw most of their games with the white pieces even with no handicap.
bla bla
Oh yes you are correct Guenther both programs do use NN, Thank, I just went to this website and can NOT find version 8.9 which is playing on TCEC, probably it is a beta version that is not released yet ? https://github.com/Luecx/Koivisto
[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.06.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Koivisto_8.0-x64-windows-avx2"]
[Black "Igel-x64_bmi2_avx2_3_1_0"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "3407"]
[Time "15:00:48"]
[WhiteElo "3477"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/6P1/8/PPPPPP1P/RNBQKBNR b KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "139"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "human"]
1. ... d5 2. e3 e5 3. d4 exd4 4. exd4 Qe7+ 5. Be3 Qe4 6. Nf3 Bxg4 7. Nbd2
Qe6 8. c4 Nf6 9. Qa4+ Qc6 10. Qb3 Nbd7 11. c5 a6 12. Rg1 Bh5 13. O-O-O
O-O-O {(O-O-O)} 14. Kb1 Ng4 15. Rc1 Re8 16. Ne1 Bg6+ 17. Ka1 h5 18. Bf4
Nxf2 19. Ndf3 Be4 20. Ng5 Bg6 21. Nc2 Qf6 22. Nb4 Qxf4 23. Bxa6 bxa6 24.
Qa4 Nf6 25. Qxa6+ Kd7 26. Qa4+ Kc8 27. Qa8+ Kd7 28. Qc6+ Kd8 29. Qb5 Nd3
30. Nc6+ Kc8 31. Ne7+ Kd8 32. Nxg6 Qxd4 33. Nxf7+ Kc8 34. Rg3 Qxb2+ 35.
Qxb2 {+2.31/1} Nxb2 36. Nfxh8 Nc4 37. Nxf8 Rxf8 38. Ng6 Re8 39. Nf4 Re4 40.
Nd3 Ng4 41. c6 g6 42. Rf3 Kd8 43. Rf7 Nge3 44. Rd7+ Kc8 45. Rg7 Re8 46.
Rxg6 d4 47. Rg5 Rd8 48. Rxh5 Kb8 49. Rb5+ Kc8 50. Rc5 Nb6 51. Rg5 Rh8 52.
Rcg1 Kd8 53. Rg8+ Rxg8 54. Rxg8+ Ke7 55. h4 Kf7 56. Rg5 Kf6 57. Rg1 Nbc4
58. h5 Nf5 59. Rg6+ Kf7 60. a4 Nh4 61. Rg5 Kf6 62. Rg3 Nf5 63. Rg6+ Kf7 64.
Ka2 Nfd6 65. a5 Nc8 66. a6 Na7 67. Rg1 Nb5 68. Kb3 Na5+ 69. Kb4 {Black resigns} *[/pgn]