A different position than the opening position for games

[Uri Blass]

Old Wasp won against Stockfish at 1200+20 1.5:0.5 in time control 20+20
Black here got win and draw but it is not clear that black is winning and white won both games in stockfish vs berserk games at 10+10 time control.


[pgn][Event "banksia game"]
[Site "*"]
[Date "2022.06.16"]
[Round "*"]
[White "Stockfish 070622"]
[Black "Wasp 4.50"]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "1200+20"]
[Time "06:46:49"]
[Termination "mate"]
[FEN "4K3/PPPPPPPP/8/8/8/8/pppppppp/rnbqkbnr w - - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]

1.h8=Q {-22.09/20 153042 1432198544} Nh3 {-8.12/21 55701 541985761} 2.b8=Q {-21.61/21 85551 789052917} g1=Q {-9.70/21 55702 540495766}
3.c8=Q {-23.77/21 187577 1811043756} Nc3 {-11.72/20 55702 557857673} 4.a8=Q {-23.60/22 191912 1872676235} b1=Q {-15.34/19 41774 413608775}
5.g8=Q {-25.59/23 191557 1960866236} Qxb8 {-16.90/21 42143 428741721} 6.Qcxb8 {-27.72/22 130665 1320971695} Rb1 {-18.16/22 42526 438847562}
7.Qba7 {-28.00/22 187737 1933615420} Nb5 {-19.94/21 42931 452530294} 8.Qxa2 {-29.70/23 169545 1707869420} Nc7+ {-23.77/22 43355 487942025}
9.Kf8 {-29.35/22 22661 232072852} Nxa8 {-23.60/20 43798 519753934} 10.d8=Q {-28.65/21 47779 504045999} Bb2 {-24.25/21 44269 543859327}
11.Qaxb2 {-27.72/20 14300 152355694} Rxb2 {-27.84/21 57965 746642079} 12.Qxb2 {-32.37/20 30116 319794753} c1=Q {-29.85/20 42284 576557384}
13.Qb4 {-32.25/20 22023 241347346} Nc7 {-37.32/20 53884 732740099} 14.e8=Q {-40.10/22 20403 217245127} Nxe8 {-38.32/19 40484 600754683}
15.Ke7 {-37.67/18 20083 208430348} Ng7 {-40.79/18 39828 644590091} 16.f8=R {-81.50/22 20014 233591273} Qg5+ {M+12/16 39192 588413133}
17.Rf6 {-93.55/21 11766 155799481} Qdc2 {M+11/16 38574 572062365} 18.Qgd5 {M-10/49 26275 270723785} Rg1 {M+9/15 50642 713032877}
19.Qxg5 {-93.41/18 12761 179560106} Nxg5 {M+8/15 7306 96712325} 20.Qf4 {M-7/53 11056 132234294} h1=Q {M+7/13 2618 36801623}
21.Qdb8 {M-6/81 6646 83355723} Qhe4+ {M+6/11 376 4634329} 22.Qxe4 {M-5/204 8597 128138562} Qxe4+ {M+5/9 13 9157}
23.Kf8 {M-4/245 525 13950130} Nh7+ {M+4/7 13 3512} 24.Kg8 {M-3/245 13 386775} Nxf6+ {M+3/5 12 1191}
25.Kf7 {M-2/245 12 111405} Qcc4+ {M+2/3 12 700} 26.Kf8 {M-1/245 10 5171} Nd7# {M+1/1 17 534}
0-1


[Event "banksia game"]
[Site "*"]
[Date "2022.06.16"]
[Round "*"]
[White "Wasp 4.50"]
[Black "Stockfish 070622"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[TimeControl "1200+20"]
[Time "09:37:50"]
[Termination "repetition"]
[FEN "4K3/PPPPPPPP/8/8/8/8/pppppppp/rnbqkbnr w - - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]

1.g8=Q {-7.81/21 74084 751956118} Nc3 {-23.95/21 167448 1618574497} 2.b8=Q {-9.78/20 84688 836438268} Ne4 {-24.39/22 180748 1785030289}
3.h8=Q {-7.75/22 54146 522721419} Nh3 {-24.38/22 106993 1044535290} 4.a8=Q {-8.75/19 69920 665493172} Nd6+ {-17.84/24 63732 610722497}
5.Kf8 {-5.72/23 49596 514786616} b1=Q {-9.99/27 212492 1687646643} 6.d8=Q {-5.81/21 40305 419458854} Bb2 {-12.69/31 77633 628929083}
7.Qbxb2 {-5.50/21 122122 1410280476} Qxb2 {-15.00/29 31819 279278199} 8.Qxb2 {-4.53/24 93616 1090408378} c1=Q {-17.53/26 75342 641322323}
9.Qf6 {-4.41/22 37387 436429596} Rb1 {-13.29/29 120098 1106150290} 10.Qxa2 {-5.58/24 66367 770590545} Ne4 {-16.97/28 56801 492020917}
11.Qh4 {-6.05/23 153556 1892631982} g1=Q {-15.37/31 240030 2041187174} 12.e8=Q {-5.85/22 42603 516168933} Qg5 {-6.45/26 69468 553921597}
13.Qexe4 {-4.26/21 31204 367581669} Qgc5+ {-3.61/28 29893 228689826} 14.Qhe7 {-3.07/23 39446 489621071} Rb2 {-0.51/23 15219 124920183}
15.Qxb2 {-3.08/23 44488 570165342} Qxe7+ {-0.19/26 15569 136497409} 16.Qdxe7 {-2.95/24 38096 524907329} Qxb2 {-0.11/29 7194 63964486}
17.Qxh1 {-3.19/23 28773 407775852} Qa4 {+0.00/33 16833 141351054} 18.c8=Q {-3.55/22 41325 608240986} d1=Q {+0.00/32 5734 48111617}
19.Qxh2 {-3.73/21 27761 413252509} Qda1 {+0.00/36 14264 116946740} 20.Qec5 {-1.30/21 39527 593356052} Qbd4 {+0.00/41 27008 221848325}
21.Qhd6 {+0.00/23 26834 402987034} Qxd6+ {+0.00/39 7856 62780159} 22.Qxd6 {+0.00/17 25 246071} Nf4 {+0.00/40 13257 114367981}
23.Qcb8 {+0.00/23 27283 433709061} Bg2 {+0.00/46 13154 116975125} 24.Qxf4 {+0.00/23 27035 439328051} Qxf4 {+0.00/49 17044 154222612}
25.Qxf4 {+0.00/24 26796 444273076} Qa3+ {+0.00/49 41216 371370726} 26.Kg7 {+0.00/22 26564 441170422} Qc3+ {+0.00/52 16197 150005885}
27.Kh6 {+0.00/23 26337 433364930} f1=Q {+0.00/50 10914 99280120} 28.f8=Q {+0.00/22 26122 438032825} Qh1+ {+0.00/53 26178 239498265}
29.Kg5 {+0.00/23 25909 431161265} Qg1 {+0.00/53 10596 99300713} 30.Qh8 {+0.00/22 25706 422914457} Bf3+ {+0.00/58 29708 287174678}
31.Kh4 {+0.00/27 25511 407907353} Qf2+ {+0.00/63 11202 97647138} 32.Kg5 {+0.00/26 25321 426214740} Qg2+ {+0.00/61 14410 141902631}
33.Kh4 {+0.00/27 25134 418919340} Qf2+ {+0.00/68 16994 176826832} 34.Kg5 {+0.00/26 24954 418710106} Qg1+ {+0.00/73 36817 369059653}
35.Kh4 {+0.00/26 24781 418766105} Qh1+ {+0.00/58 39347 330954170} 36.Kg3 {+0.00/28 24614 409828640} Qg2+ {+0.00/63 48601 650929317}
37.Kh4 {+0.00/21 28 285991} Qf2+ {+0.00/59 9204 87166498} 1/2-1/2

[/pgn]

[Uri Blass]

Stockfish15 could beat Stockfish with white time control 40+40

[pgn][Event "banksia game"]
[Site "*"]
[Date "2022.06.17"]
[Round "*"]
[White "Stockfish 15"]
[Black "Stockfish 070622"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "2400+40"]
[Time "09:22:08"]
[Termination "mate"]
[FEN "4K3/PPPPPPPP/8/8/8/8/pppppppp/rnbqkbnr w - - 0 1 "]
[SetUp "1"]

1.h8=Q {-22.97/21 306123 2965667928} Nc3 {-23.03/22 262244 2560946362} 2.b8=Q {-22.06/23 202705 1952690980} Ne4 {-23.66/25 314702 3137261111}
3.f8=Q {-13.63/26 60291 497984127} Nh3 {-4.27/27 387460 3124094464} 4.Qxh3 {-6.32/30 240857 1956981278} g1=Q {-1.12/28 391211 3074683421}
5.Qe3 {-2.37/22 87169 728704867} Bh3 {+0.90/32 386266 3025349496} 6.Qxe4 {+0.00/26 72516 573331095} b1=R {+14.55/23 374145 3068107059}
7.Qxf2+ {+15.57/25 73538 619747745} Qxf2 {+24.69/25 356292 3820285846} 8.Qxh1+ {+19.20/24 96319 881247456} Bf1 {+27.86/20 166121 1934873313}
9.c8=Q {+21.27/21 87467 842635063} Bb2 {+31.13/20 65224 762843442} 10.Qbxh2 {+24.96/20 126781 1297699747} Bd4 {+31.70/19 21813 257426526}
11.a8=Q {+24.81/19 87484 926914458} c1=Q {+28.87/20 59595 665863524} 12.g8=Q {+28.99/19 69535 771270177} Qb3 {+34.39/19 32523 379117289}
13.Qxf2+ {+32.12/17 76413 916651799} Bxf2 {+31.41/19 12787 153269021} 14.Qg5 {+34.01/18 101043 1210292705} Rb2 {+23.28/21 59221 577360343}
15.Qae4 {M+9/95 84550 884653157} Qe3 {M-8/99 23307 267234700} 16.Qexe3 {M+8/116 76210 1112268503} Bxe3 {M-7/110 12135 188839750}
17.Qxe3 {M+7/158 71658 1533908927} Qc2 {M-6/118 16278 288572793} 18.Qxc2 {M+6/229 77948 1418062676} Rxc2 {M-5/245 6077 170252321}
19.Qhf3 {M+5/245 1825 53322528} Rc3 {M-4/245 1199 22928974} 20.d8=Q {M+4/245 628 18040453} Rxe3 {M-3/245 14 192266}
21.Qxe3 {M+3/245 13 188828} Bg2 {M-2/245 12 79505} 22.Qdxd2+ {M+2/245 11 65707} Kf1 {M-1/245 10 3455}
23.Qdxe2# {M+1/245 10 68648} 1-0

[/pgn]

[Sopel]

What's the point of this thread?

[dkappe]

What's the point of this thread?

Does there have to be a point?