"Public court hearing soon!"

[bastiball]

https://stockfishchess.org/blog/2022/pu ... ring-soon/

[AndrewGrant]

"Hearing" is a little vague, and lacks teeth.
I qualify as an hack arm-chair/twitter lawyer for the USA, but no clue about Germany / EU.
Here's hoping that there is some justice left in this world, but I have my doubts

... but if so ... who do you think ChessBase will knock off next? Or do you think someone is ripe for a nice check from all the money they stole selling Stockfish to non-computerchess people?

[Frank Quisinsky]

For EU is the niveau from U.S. privazy not a standard.
GPL3 is more or less Stallman's "code of conduct" after all the problems he has with Lawyers.
After my information GPL3 is full of holes.

Very difficult situation.
I am very sure that we all wish a good protection after the situation around the Chessbase products FatFritz and Houdini.
I wish me a positive result for Stockfish people but I have substantial doubts.

It make more sense to thinking about an own license for chess engines as to copy and paste "GPL3".
Copy and paste each idea is today very popular!

TalkChess declares since many years which programs are accept or not.

A good example is the very populare work from Norman Schmidt with all of his 30 or more GitHub projects.
Very popular in github comminity not for the TalkChess Police-Academy team!

TalkChess is for me more or less the computer-chess "Police-Academy" in www.
It make sense to thinking about an own protection as to use Stallman's GPL3.

Sooner or later available.
I am very sure in that question!
At the moment a learn-process is still running!

[dkappe]

"Hearing" is a little vague, and lacks teeth.
I qualify as an hack arm-chair/twitter lawyer for the USA, but no clue about Germany / EU.
Here's hoping that there is some justice left in this world, but I have my doubts

... but if so ... who do you think ChessBase will knock off next? Or do you think someone is ripe for a nice check from all the money they stole selling Stockfish to non-computerchess people?

At this hearing, both parties get to speak, not just one. One thing that’s been revealed is that Houdini is part of the argument. Is this enough to bolster the weak case on Fat Fritz 2? Or will it get tossed out since ChessBase != Houdart? Should take a while to be resolved. Popcorn at the ready.

[Sopel]

"Hearing" is a little vague, and lacks teeth.
I qualify as an hack arm-chair/twitter lawyer for the USA, but no clue about Germany / EU.
Here's hoping that there is some justice left in this world, but I have my doubts

... but if so ... who do you think ChessBase will knock off next? Or do you think someone is ripe for a nice check from all the money they stole selling Stockfish to non-computerchess people?

At this hearing, both parties get to speak, not just one. One thing that’s been revealed is that Houdini is part of the argument. Is this enough to bolster the weak case on Fat Fritz 2? Or will it get tossed out since ChessBase != Houdart? Should take a while to be resolved. Popcorn at the ready.

Whether Houdini is not tied enough to ChessBase is not so clear, as AFAIK the Houdini version they distributed was quite closly tied to the GUI, and they were distributed only together. Might be killing two birds with one stone.

[dkappe]

At this hearing, both parties get to speak, not just one. One thing that’s been revealed is that Houdini is part of the argument. Is this enough to bolster the weak case on Fat Fritz 2? Or will it get tossed out since ChessBase != Houdart? Should take a while to be resolved. Popcorn at the ready.

Whether Houdini is not tied enough to ChessBase is not so clear, as AFAIK the Houdini version they distributed was quite closly tied to the GUI, and they were distributed only together. Might be killing two birds with one stone.

I’d love to see the stockfish filing. That way one can determine whether there is any substance to their claims or whether they are just trying to kill birds with stones via bad publicity.

[Damir]

As one user on Infinity Chess server wrote...

Regarding the Houdini issue it is all waste of time, no one knew about Houdini until some one hacked Houdarts server, so chess base has no case to answer as they ceased selling when SF team told them...

Also they did as SF team demanded and released source code of Fat Fritz..

This is all waste of time. Computer Chess is waste of time and electricity.

[Ras]

After my information GPL3 is full of holes.

That's not true, the GPLv3 has battle-tested in court over and over, see Harald Welte's https://gpl-violations.org project. Of course, the plaintiff still has to prove his claims, as in any lawsuit.

It make more sense to thinking about an own license for chess engines as to copy and paste "GPL3".

This doesn't make sense because the rights and duties with established open source licences are well known. A proprietary licence basically means "stay away from that".

[dkappe]

After my information GPL3 is full of holes.

That's not true, the GPLv3 has battle-tested in court over and over, see Harald Welte's https://gpl-violations.org project. Of course, the plaintiff still has to prove his claims, as in any lawsuit.

It make more sense to thinking about an own license for chess engines as to copy and paste "GPL3".

This doesn't make sense because the rights and duties with established open source licences are well known. A proprietary licence basically means "stay away from that".

https://fossa.com/blog/stockfish-vs-chessbase-gpl-v3/

A weak factual case won’t win simply because the GPL is “battle-tested.”

[Ras]

A weak factual case won’t win simply because the GPL is “battle-tested.”

You even quoted what I wrote, namely "Of course, the plaintiff still has to prove his claims, as in any lawsuit.", but it seems you overread it.