Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

[lkaufman]

As many of you may have heard, Magnus Carlsen withdrew from the St. Louis Sinquefield Cup tournament today after losing to GM Hans Niemann yesterday. Although he didn't state a reason for withdrawal, he said it was not health-related and expressed a desire to play in future events at the St. Louis chess club, so it is pretty obvious that his reason was suspicion that his opponent had received computer help during the game. Hikaru Nakamura explicitly confirmed that he believed that this was Carlsen's reason for withdrawal, and also said that Niemann's post-game commentary of his game today did not sound like 2700 level commentary. I am not expressing an opinion on the issue or even asking for opinions here; I am posting here to ask those who are technologically knowledgeable how they would go about getting computer help in an event where the players are "wanded" for electronic devices, where spectators are barred (for Covid reasons), and where everyone is on camera during the games. It should be noted that today they implemented a 15 minute delay in coverage to make any cheating harder, but that was not in effect during the Carlsen vs Niemann game. Niemann supposedly had a 93% match with SF (first 3 moves I believe) vs 83% for Carlsen, which is of course just circumstantial evidence, he could just have been playing much better that day.

[Chessqueen]

As many of you may have heard, Magnus Carlsen withdrew from the St. Louis Sinquefield Cup tournament today after losing to GM Hans Niemann yesterday. Although he didn't state a reason for withdrawal, he said it was not health-related and expressed a desire to play in future events at the St. Louis chess club, so it is pretty obvious that his reason was suspicion that his opponent had received computer help during the game. Hikaru Nakamura explicitly confirmed that he believed that this was Carlsen's reason for withdrawal, and also said that Niemann's post-game commentary of his game today did not sound like 2700 level commentary. I am not expressing an opinion on the issue or even asking for opinions here; I am posting here to ask those who are technologically knowledgeable how they would go about getting computer help in an event where the players are "wanded" for electronic devices, where spectators are barred (for Covid reasons), and where everyone is on camera during the games. It should be noted that today they implemented a 15 minute delay in coverage to make any cheating harder, but that was not in effect during the Carlsen vs Niemann game. Niemann supposedly had a 93% match with SF (first 3 moves I believe) vs 83% for Carlsen, which is of course just circumstantial evidence, he could just have been playing much better that day.

If they ever find out how Hans Niemann cheated with a Computer, they can prevent it in the Upcoming World Championship between GM Nepo vs GM Ding Liren. It could be that he has a friend not too far away from the site where GM Hans can see him that is looking at a computer and giving him hand signals

[lkaufman]

As many of you may have heard, Magnus Carlsen withdrew from the St. Louis Sinquefield Cup tournament today after losing to GM Hans Niemann yesterday. Although he didn't state a reason for withdrawal, he said it was not health-related and expressed a desire to play in future events at the St. Louis chess club, so it is pretty obvious that his reason was suspicion that his opponent had received computer help during the game. Hikaru Nakamura explicitly confirmed that he believed that this was Carlsen's reason for withdrawal, and also said that Niemann's post-game commentary of his game today did not sound like 2700 level commentary. I am not expressing an opinion on the issue or even asking for opinions here; I am posting here to ask those who are technologically knowledgeable how they would go about getting computer help in an event where the players are "wanded" for electronic devices, where spectators are barred (for Covid reasons), and where everyone is on camera during the games. It should be noted that today they implemented a 15 minute delay in coverage to make any cheating harder, but that was not in effect during the Carlsen vs Niemann game. Niemann supposedly had a 93% match with SF (first 3 moves I believe) vs 83% for Carlsen, which is of course just circumstantial evidence, he could just have been playing much better that day.

If they ever find out how Hans Niemann cheated with a Computer, they can prevent it in the Upcoming World Championship between GM Nepo vs GM Ding Liren. It could be that he has a friend not too far away from the site where GM Hans can see him that is looking at a computer and giving him hand signals

If they don't allow spectators in the tournament hall, how would he see hand signals from a friend outside the hall, unless you suspect that one of the tournament officials was colluding with him, which seems extremely unlikely to me.

[CornfedForever]

As many of you may have heard, Magnus Carlsen withdrew from the St. Louis Sinquefield Cup tournament today after losing to GM Hans Niemann yesterday. Although he didn't state a reason for withdrawal, he said it was not health-related and expressed a desire to play in future events at the St. Louis chess club, so it is pretty obvious that his reason was suspicion that his opponent had received computer help during the game. Hikaru Nakamura explicitly confirmed that he believed that this was Carlsen's reason for withdrawal, and also said that Niemann's post-game commentary of his game today did not sound like 2700 level commentary. I am not expressing an opinion on the issue or even asking for opinions here; I am posting here to ask those who are technologically knowledgeable how they would go about getting computer help in an event where the players are "waat today they implemented a 15 minute delay in coverage to make any cheating harder, but that was not in effect during the Carlsen vs Niemann game. Niemann supposedly had a 93% match with SF (first 3 moves I believe) vs 83% for Carlsen, which is of course just circumstantial evidence, he could just have been playing much better that day.

Hans clearly is not a 'normal' person...but, of course, that does not of course mean he 'cheated'. He apparently has been caught up in a 'cheating' incident on chess.com a few years ago I understood Naka correctly. Certainly Hans quoting games played in that particular line which never occurred is interesting as well.

I've read articles like everyone else, but am not an expert in 'cheat detection' so I certainly cannot comment directly on cheating 'during a game' - I watched the game...it seems impossible.

The only thing I could possibly think of is could someone have hacked a laptop Magnus had in St. Louis? Even then...how would he know this would likely be played. Perhaps one could check 'recently viewed files'?

That said, as I wondered aloud elsewhere - one has to wonder if a certain catch phrase might end up changing from "The chess speaks for itself" to "The cheating speaks for itself".

I sure hope not...Hans has been a quirky breath of fresh air to this point.

[Chessqueen]

As many of you may have heard, Magnus Carlsen withdrew from the St. Louis Sinquefield Cup tournament today after losing to GM Hans Niemann yesterday. Although he didn't state a reason for withdrawal, he said it was not health-related and expressed a desire to play in future events at the St. Louis chess club, so it is pretty obvious that his reason was suspicion that his opponent had received computer help during the game. Hikaru Nakamura explicitly confirmed that he believed that this was Carlsen's reason for withdrawal, and also said that Niemann's post-game commentary of his game today did not sound like 2700 level commentary. I am not expressing an opinion on the issue or even asking for opinions here; I am posting here to ask those who are technologically knowledgeable how they would go about getting computer help in an event where the players are "waat today they implemented a 15 minute delay in coverage to make any cheating harder, but that was not in effect during the Carlsen vs Niemann game. Niemann supposedly had a 93% match with SF (first 3 moves I believe) vs 83% for Carlsen, which is of course just circumstantial evidence, he could just have been playing much better that day.

Hans clearly is not a 'normal' person...but, of course, that does not of course mean he 'cheated'. He apparently has been caught up in a 'cheating' incident on chess.com a few years ago I understood Naka correctly. Certainly Hans quoting games played in that particular line which never occurred is interesting as well.

I've read articles like everyone else, but am not an expert in 'cheat detection' so I certainly cannot comment directly on cheating 'during a game' - I watched the game...it seems impossible.

The only thing I could possibly think of is could someone have hacked a laptop Magnus had in St. Louis? Even then...how would he know this like would likely be played. Perhaps you could check 'recently viewed files'?

That said, as I wondered aloud elsewhere - one has to wonder if a certain catch phrase might end up changing from "The chess speaks for itself" to "The cheating speaks for itself".

I sure hope not...Hans has been a quirky breath of fresh air to this point.

GM Hans has been studying GM Carlsen body language since he was a small boy, and he noticed when Carlsen finds himself in trouble, after thinking for more than 10 minutes

[dkappe]

If they don't allow spectators in the tournament hall, how would he see hand signals from a friend outside the hall, unless you suspect that one of the tournament officials was colluding with him, which seems extremely unlikely to me.

I’ve been to the chess club in St. Louis. You have to walk to the windows to see any hand signals. Not to say its impossible, I just think it would be very obvious. A small earpiece, on the other hand, sounds more possible.

[CornfedForever]

GM Hans has been studying GM Carlsen body language since he was a small boy, and he noticed when Carlsen finds himself in trouble, after thinking for more than 10 minutes

Yes, I saw that comment... and the whole post game interview and it seems absurd (like a lot of what Hans says)...but perhaps we should not stray far from the topic of this thread.

[Chessqueen]

If they don't allow spectators in the tournament hall, how would he see hand signals from a friend outside the hall, unless you suspect that one of the tournament officials was colluding with him, which seems extremely unlikely to me.

I’ve been to the chess club in St. Louis. You have to walk to the windows to see any hand signals. Not to say its impossible, I just think it would be very obvious. A small earpiece, on the other hand, sounds more possible.

This are the smallest earpiece https://sg.news.yahoo.com/video/worlds- ... 40204.html

[Graham Banks]

Boo hoo. I lost. He must have cheated.

[Chessqueen]

Boo hoo. I lost. He must have cheated.

You are correct Sir, He should have done that against GM Pragg that beats him thee times already==>