Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

[dkappe]

Boo hoo. I lost. He must have cheated.

Well, the chess world can be kind of gossipy (Nakamura in particular). We have an extensive wanding and EM scan of Niemann. Then we have skepticism about his post game commentary and his disappearing and reappearing accent. Then his engine cheating on chess.com. I think his performance with the delay going forward will be carefully followed.

[CornfedForever]

Boo hoo. I lost. He must have cheated.

Well, the chess world can be kind of gossipy (Nakamura in particular). We have an extensive wanding and EM scan of Niemann. Then we have skepticism about his post game commentary and his disappearing and reappearing accent. Then his engine cheating on chess.com. I think his performance with the delay going forward will be carefully followed.

Yes, the game vs Firo was quite good...quite entertaining and after the game Hans mentioned a line Firo confessed he did not even see and seemed floored by it.

I can't see any cheating.

The only thing 'odd' to me is that Hans can't seem to concentrate on the position in front of him and is constantly looking away. But again, no spectators or anything that could cue him to any idea/line.

I have to think it is all hogwash. Curious...but (if he believes it) 'cheating' is probably a ghost entering the possibly fragile mind of 'King' Magnus - he renounced the most important thing in the chess world (his title)...his company was failing and had to be bought by chess.com (the enemy)...he's losing to the likes of Pragg and Hans. Father Time and Real Life can send the mind into dark places.

The 'bigger they are, the harder they fall'....

[lkaufman]

Boo hoo. I lost. He must have cheated.

Carlsen never before dropped out of a tournament, and as far as I know has never accused an opponent of cheating after losing a game or implied that he was cheating in any way. It's pretty clear that Carlsen believed that Niemann was cheating, and that he is not normally inclined to believe so. That doesn't mean that Niemann was actually cheating, just that Carlsen's belief should not be seen as frivolous. If Niemann does well in his remaining games with the 15 minute delay implemented, suspicion will be deflected; if he falls apart, then public opinion will swing to Carlsen's side, rightly or wrongly.

[CornfedForever]

Boo hoo. I lost. He must have cheated.

Carlsen never before dropped out of a tournament, and as far as I know has never accused an opponent of cheating after losing a game or implied that he was cheating in any way. It's pretty clear that Carlsen believed that Niemann was cheating, and that he is not normally inclined to believe so. That doesn't mean that Niemann was actually cheating, just that Carlsen's belief should not be seen as frivolous. If Niemann does well in his remaining games with the 15 minute delay implemented, suspicion will be deflected; if he falls apart, then public opinion will swing to Carlsen's side, rightly or wrongly.

Yes, 'rightly or wrongly' in the court of public opinion. This because he is playing against some of the worlds absolute best. A 'winning streak' is reasonable...and 'falling apart' is even more likely - and with no shenanigans simply because it is fairly 'normal'. PLUS he has to play under (possibly unfair) cheating suspicion and that's naturally going to take a mental tole on even someone not cheating.

The natural way he whipped up an attack against Firo - WITH the 15 minute delay was impressive. Firo seemed to indicate after the game that Hans had seen some things that did not enter his mind.

I am so leaning toward the idea that King Magnus' world is crumbling a bit and he is feeling the pressure and maybe seeing ghosts. Very Shakespearean perhaps...and very sad.

[towforce]

This are the smallest earpiece https://sg.news.yahoo.com/video/worlds- ... 40204.html

...and they explicitly say it's for cheating in their marketing - link. The tech that makes this possible is tiny SOCs with Bluetooth that run on milliamps of power. Here's the complete device:

[Wilhelm]

Boo hoo. I lost. He must have cheated.

Hmm, I hope we didn't get a new Fisher...

[AdminX]

I downloaded the whole video of their game, Now I will have to watch it to form an opinion. Untill this thread I had only read about it.

[Ozymandias]

it is pretty obvious that his reason was suspicion that his opponent had received computer help during the game [...] I am posting here to ask those who are technologically knowledgeable how they would go about getting computer help in an event where the players are "wanded" for electronic devices, where spectators are barred (for Covid reasons), and where everyone is on camera during the games. It should be noted that today they implemented a 15 minute delay in coverage to make any cheating harder, but that was not in effect during the Carlsen vs Niemann game

If Carlsen didn't express his suspicion, I don't see how obvious it can be that he even had any.

As for the technical side of the cheating itself, I've read for a long time about the concept of audio tooth implants. I don't know if it has gotten past the conceptual phase. A miniature earpiece could be detected, but an implant would require an x-ray. Not sure they can enforce that on players.

A 15 minute delay should be no obstacle to cheating. It's been proven in exhibitions, that a strong player can raise his level significantly by getting aid just a few times during a game. If a player finds himself in a difficult position, he only needs to "think" for 15 minutes and wait for the move hint. It will just look like he's having a hard look at a complicated position, all very natural.

[Fulvio]

Something is off:

[dkappe]

Something is off:

Nakamura is a gossip. He just talks round and round without providing any facts.