Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

[syzygy]

Well, part of this thread has been about who we should believe.

I think you mix up something. It is not Carlsen vs. Niemann, Carlsen is not the only one who speaks out suspicions, also other GM's and different AI cheat detection systems are on the trigger. The question whether Hans is cheating or not has nothing to do with Carlsens credibility. so it is completely useless to question his credibility because he said "how" at the wrong time.

Also, there is no question that Carlsen really believes that Niemann is cheating. He may be mistaken about this, but it takes a flat earther to believe that Carlsen is lying.

[CornfedForever]

Well, part of this thread has been about who we should believe.

The question whether Hans is cheating or not has nothing to do with Carlsens credibility. so it is completely useless to question his credibility because he said "how" at the wrong time.

Well, its sure was not "Howell" that he was saying (although it is whom the question was directed to)...and he acted on what he had heard to quickly pocket the point, when there were other options. Howell, to his 'credit', seemed to realize what he had done and did not answer.

I remember many years ago listening to Jimmy Swaggart go on and on about 'sin'. I think I would watch while eating popcorn.
But...you are right, just because he was at the very same time 'sinning' in a way akin to those he railed about (some of it, we found out was down right kinky) his credibility on the 'evils' of 'sin' should not be called into question. In fact...one could argue that perhaps it made him a bit of an expert on the the topic and therefore the perfect person to be speaking out about cheating...err, well...'sin', in it's many flavors.

But I digress...forgive me father Alex, if I ...well, you know.

[syzygy]

Well, part of this thread has been about who we should believe.

The question whether Hans is cheating or not has nothing to do with Carlsens credibility. so it is completely useless to question his credibility because he said "how" at the wrong time.

Well, its sure was not "Howell" that he was saying (although it is whom the question was directed to)...and he acted on what he had heard to quickly pocket the point, when there were other options. Howell, to his 'credit', seemed to realize what he had done and did not answer.

OK, you convinced me. Niemann clearly did not cheat.

[CornfedForever]

Well, part of this thread has been about who we should believe.

The question whether Hans is cheating or not has nothing to do with Carlsens credibility. so it is completely useless to question his credibility because he said "how" at the wrong time.

Well, its sure was not "Howell" that he was saying (although it is whom the question was directed to)...and he acted on what he had heard to quickly pocket the point, when there were other options. Howell, to his 'credit', seemed to realize what he had done and did not answer.

OK, you convinced me. Niemann clearly did not cheat.

Lol!
Must be my winning personality, because I've never tried to convince anyone of that!

1. Online, obviously he has, there is proof he has multiple times.
2. OTB - he may well have, I don't know...60/40 maybe; but I've seen no evidence worthy of me saying he 'cheated'.

So, if you ever thought I was trying to 'convince you' otherwise...maybe that was just you fooling yourself.

[syzygy]

Well, part of this thread has been about who we should believe.

The question whether Hans is cheating or not has nothing to do with Carlsens credibility. so it is completely useless to question his credibility because he said "how" at the wrong time.

Well, its sure was not "Howell" that he was saying (although it is whom the question was directed to)...and he acted on what he had heard to quickly pocket the point, when there were other options. Howell, to his 'credit', seemed to realize what he had done and did not answer.

OK, you convinced me. Niemann clearly did not cheat.

Lol!
Must be my winning personality, because I've never tried to convince anyone of that!

1. Online, obviously he has, there is proof he has multiple times.
2. OTB - he may well have, I don't know...60/40 maybe; but I've seen no evidence worthy of me saying he 'cheated'.

So, if you ever thought I was trying to 'convince you' otherwise...maybe that was just you fooling yourself.

And the earth is flat. Yep.
This forum is pretty much gone.

[M ANSARI]

Well, part of this thread has been about who we should believe.

The question whether Hans is cheating or not has nothing to do with Carlsens credibility. so it is completely useless to question his credibility because he said "how" at the wrong time.

Well, its sure was not "Howell" that he was saying (although it is whom the question was directed to)...and he acted on what he had heard to quickly pocket the point, when there were other options. Howell, to his 'credit', seemed to realize what he had done and did not answer.

OK, you convinced me. Niemann clearly did not cheat.

Here is Magnus Carlsen cheating again. He plays the entire tournament where he doesn't allow himself to castle! This must be cheating as the other players are caught off guard . Even Mamydyarov was a victim of this! That is absolutely NOT FAIR PLAY!

At one point he does seem to get help from one of his buddies when he points out to him that he has rooks of opposite color!

[dkappe]

Here is Magnus Carlsen cheating again. He plays the entire tournament where he doesn't allow himself to castle! This must be cheating as the other players are caught off guard . Even Mamydyarov was a victim of this! That is absolutely NOT FAIR PLAY!

At one point he does seem to get help from one of his buddies when he points out to him that he has rooks of opposite color!

Thanks. I watched the video all the way through. This time the background chess bros were better behaved and only commented on the moves after the fact. I don’t know if you’re familiar with the rules of chess, but there’s nothing that prohibits making legal moves, good or bad.

I suspect there are other videos of Carlsen with background kibitzers. How long before another actual instance of cheating crops up?

[M ANSARI]

You are welcome! There are other videos where MC uses only half the time as his opponents also very entertaining. You could say that is NOT FAIR PLAY also by MC and so Hans Nieman is innocent and he did not cheat. Just trying to follow your logic

[gaard]

Well, part of this thread has been about who we should believe.

I think you mix up something. It is not Carlsen vs. Niemann, Carlsen is not the only one who speaks out suspicions, also other GM's and different AI cheat detection systems are on the trigger. The question whether Hans is cheating or not has nothing to do with Carlsens credibility. so it is completely useless to question his credibility because he said "how" at the wrong time.

Also, there is no question that Carlsen really believes that Niemann is cheating. He may be mistaken about this, but it takes a flat earther to believe that Carlsen is lying.

I haven't seen anything by MC indicating that he 'really believes' HM was cheating in any tournament where they played together, but maybe some allusions. We are left with, "If he cheated before, and I lost, then he must still be cheating! I'm going to withdraw now that I lost even though I did not want to play to begin with!" Not.Good. Enough.

[syzygy]

Well, part of this thread has been about who we should believe.

I think you mix up something. It is not Carlsen vs. Niemann, Carlsen is not the only one who speaks out suspicions, also other GM's and different AI cheat detection systems are on the trigger. The question whether Hans is cheating or not has nothing to do with Carlsens credibility. so it is completely useless to question his credibility because he said "how" at the wrong time.

Also, there is no question that Carlsen really believes that Niemann is cheating. He may be mistaken about this, but it takes a flat earther to believe that Carlsen is lying.

I haven't seen anything by MC indicating that he 'really believes' HM was cheating in any tournament where they played together, but maybe some allusions. We are left with, "If he cheated before, and I lost, then he must still be cheating! I'm going to withdraw now that I lost even though I did not want to play to begin with!" Not.Good. Enough.

So you believe Carlsen's statement is not truthful, i.e. he is lying? He is deliberately taking down a potential competitor just out of spite for losing a game?

Fine, but my earth remains round.