Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

[AdminX]

I honestly can't understand what satisfaction one gains from cheating.

But he was young you say ... But It only happened twice you say and he has admitted it ...

Just a general statement about cheating itself.

Oh I am sure, I am just making a joke!

[Graham Banks]

I honestly can't understand what satisfaction one gains from cheating.

But he was young you say ... But It only happened twice you say and he has admitted it ...

Just a general statement about cheating itself.

Oh I am sure, I am just making a joke!

I saw that.

[Krzysztof Grzelak]

While reading these posts, I will write this - either people do not understand something or they do not have a mind. Please write down if Niemann cheating was proven during the game against Carlsen. If not, then why all this discussion. I remind everyone, before they start writing on this topic, the events with the FIDE champion in Poland, Patrycja Waszczuk. If anyone does not know, please read and see how Patrycja Waszczuk was treated. Let it be a lesson and a warning to others before they write anything.

[Alexander Schmidt]

While reading these posts, I will write this - either people do not understand something or they do not have a mind. Please write down if Niemann cheating was proven during the game against Carlsen. If not, then why all this discussion.

To make that clear: The community has to avoid false accusations. There are a lot of hints that Niemann was cheating OTB, even the Carlsson game is suspicious because of his behaviour during the game, and the weired analysis after the game.

But this thread is not exclusively about OTB cheating, but also online cheating. Would you like to play in a serious tournament against someone who is a known online cheater? I won't. And even if Niemann doesn't cheat OTB, he has to take the responsibility for the discussion because of his and his trainers history.

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[gaard]

While reading these posts, I will write this - either people do not understand something or they do not have a mind. Please write down if Niemann cheating was proven during the game against Carlsen. If not, then why all this discussion. I remind everyone, before they start writing on this topic, the events with the FIDE champion in Poland, Patrycja Waszczuk. If anyone does not know, please read and see how Patrycja Waszczuk was treated. Let it be a lesson and a warning to others before they write anything.

Evidence of OTB cheating? Don't be ridiculous! Carlsen lost and my feelings are hurt. What more evidence do you need?

[Krzysztof Grzelak]

While reading these posts, I will write this - either people do not understand something or they do not have a mind. Please write down if Niemann cheating was proven during the game against Carlsen. If not, then why all this discussion.

To make that clear: The community has to avoid false accusations. There are a lot of hints that Niemann was cheating OTB, even the Carlsson game is suspicious because of his behaviour during the game, and the weired analysis after the game.

But this thread is not exclusively about OTB cheating, but also online cheating. Would you like to play in a serious tournament against someone who is a known online cheater? I won't. And even if Niemann doesn't cheat OTB, he has to take the responsibility for the discussion because of his and his trainers history.

The fact that he had cheated earlier was admitted by himself. The fact that he poorly analyzed his game after the game does not mean that he cheated. You have to have hard evidence.

[Krzysztof Grzelak]

Evidence of OTB cheating? Don't be ridiculous! Carlsen lost and my feelings are hurt. What more evidence do you need?

So as I understand it, in your opinion, honest won the game Niemann with Carsen.

[Chessqueen]

Evidence of OTB cheating? Don't be ridiculous! Carlsen lost and my feelings are hurt. What more evidence do you need?

So as I understand it, in your opinion, honest won the game Niemann with Carsen.

Niemann claims he will NOT back down, it is such a beautiful game that I am NOT going to analyze it. They should force him to analyze it, if NOT the win does NOT Count ==> https://en.chessbase.com/post/us-championships-2022-r1
Here is the interview

[M ANSARI]

He doesn't want to analyze because he cannot analyze without the help of an engine and doesn't want people to see that. Whethere it is a strange quirk in his personality or it is because he is cheating ... that is the question. I sure hope that he is not still cheating ... because if he is, then we can kiss Chess as a viable spectator sport ... goodbye. Due to his past he will always be suspect ... I guess he earned that and I really feel zero sympathy for such a creep. Hikaru mentions something very reasonable ... either he is the best player in the history of chess or he is a cheater. Cheating and not getting caught doesn't mean it didn't happen. The evidence required to prove someone cheated at the moment is ridiculous ... it is more than required in a murder investigation. People in the US somehow accept a 4.1% error for murder cases (especially if the person is black)... but for chess it has to be .002%. In chess if you are wrongly accused of cheating ... you just don't play chess in tournaments against other players ... annoying but big deal. For murder you go to death row or spend the rest of your life in prison. Hans Nieman is a white american boy from California ... he has been caught cheating online and his trainer and mentor is an admitted cheater ... and the statistics of his games and progress show a zillion red flags. Yet somehow he is allowed to continue normally because nobody has caught him red handed. This was the same with doping in atheletics and in swimming. You had eastern german women with bodies of men and moustaches, it was obvious that they were on steroids ... yet since the technology was not good enough to catch the cheaters, this continued unabated and those people still have their gold medals! Some other honest athelte who deserved that medal instead was robbed.

[AdminX]

He doesn't want to analyze because he cannot analyze without the help of an engine and doesn't want people to see that. Whethere it is a strange quirk in his personality or it is because he is cheating ... that is the question. I sure hope that he is not still cheating ... because if he is, then we can kiss Chess as a viable spectator sport ... goodbye. Due to his past he will always be suspect ... I guess he earned that and I really feel zero sympathy for such a creep. Hikaru mentions something very reasonable ... either he is the best player in the history of chess or he is a cheater. Cheating and not getting caught doesn't mean it didn't happen. The evidence required to prove someone cheated at the moment is ridiculous ... it is more than required in a murder investigation. People in the US somehow accept a 4.1% error for murder cases (especially if the person is black)... but for chess it has to be .002%. In chess if you are wrongly accused of cheating ... you just don't play chess in tournaments against other players ... annoying but big deal. For murder you go to death row or spend the rest of your life in prison. Hans Nieman is a white american boy from California ... he has been caught cheating online and his trainer and mentor is an admitted cheater ... and the statistics of his games and progress show a zillion red flags. Yet somehow he is allowed to continue normally because nobody has caught him red handed. This was the same with doping in atheletics and in swimming. You had eastern german women with bodies of men and moustaches, it was obvious that they were on steroids ... yet since the technology was not good enough to catch the cheaters, this continued unabated and those people still have their gold medals! Some other honest athelte who deserved that medal instead was robbed.

Agreed, but the 'where is the prove' part should be the responsibility of the organizers. As a player your job should be to focus on the game alone.