Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

[Alexander Schmidt]

Hans should accuse Caruana of using an engine, since GM Caruana played like a Machine ==>

Do you follow the U.S. Championship? Very interesting. Especially the interviews after the game. There you can see how top players are able to analyze their games. Look at Dominguez, how he can analyze his first round game, 3 days, and 3 intense games later:

What has Niemann to say after a game? "My game was so beautiful, it don't need an explanation". He was criticized for his bad after game analysis. He could take the chance and proof his slashers wrong. There is no reason not to do that, except his fear to get outplayed by a commentator once more.

I would have loved to hear why he played h3. It is one of the moves you would never do as a top GM. It only causes trouble, and loses a tempo.

Look what other GM's think about Niemann. Yoo: "I felt disrespected"; Shankland: "Suspicious move"; Caruana: "He won't chat with me anymore". Is there any top GM on Niemanns side? All crying babies? Or do they simply know, Niemann is cheating, because they had after game analysis with him, and know exactly how good or bad he is in chess?

Where is this analysis? Mr. Milk (or the “Brazilian” as you like to call him) has not made such a far ranging study.

I agreed with you, that more data is need, and I explained why I trust the existing data. There is nothing more to say about that.

[CornfedForever]

I would have loved to hear why he played h3. It is one of the moves you would never do as a top GM. It only causes trouble, and loses a tempo.

Hello Significance Mongers out there!

I found The Grandmasters Mind by Amatzia Avni at a used bookstore Friday (yes, they still exist) and picked it up.

Chapter 1 is on GM Lev Psakhis. Once a top 10 player and coach of Judit Polgar.

Avini asks of a position from a game with Svidler. "How does this move (13. e5) improve your position? It doesn't attack or defend anything..."
Psakhis: "Well, maybe it make it easier for a rook on b1 to support the advance of my b-pawn...Anyway, it was clear to me that 13 Be5 improved my position (although it was not necessarily the best move here).
Avni: I'm afraid, Lev, that what is clear to you is not so obvious to many others. Could you be more specific?"
Psakhis: (after some attempts to convey his meaning, Psakhis gives up on me and says:) "There are some moves you can't explain. Either you feel them, or you don't. Many of Karpov's moves are impossible to explain, yet they are the correct moves."

Later a single position is looked at and Psakhis is asked to 'speak his thoughts'. At one point Psakhis says "My queen must go to a dark squares: maybe 18...Qb6 (instead of 18...Qa5) But Black has a good position in any case".
Avni: "It's not so simple"
Psakhis: "Isn't it? I find it hard to believe"
Avni: "He is reluctant to conduct a serious calculation and insists 18...Qa5 is the right move."

As an aside...18...Qa5 seems to be a much worse move than 18...Qb6 (CornfedForever).

And regarding another move he played in a game from the 1983 USSR Championships
Avni Asks:Here you decided to sacrifice a pawn: an unforced and inconclusive choice, which I'm asking you to reconstruct".

Phaskis looks at a forced sequence a mere 5 ply at which point he offers material ...and here we find my favorite quote, " To this day I don't know if Black has enough compensation for the pawn, but I don't care. Sometimes you have to use poetry, not mathematics".

My point with this (and I have MUCH more to go through) is that the minds of world class GM's are not normally about spitting out one variation after another for an audience ESPECIALLY right after a draining game with many thousands of eyes upon you...and particularly if many of them have shown a predilection to listen with meat cleavers, ready to tear every word or move apart. Thus perhaps...the Chess Speaks For Itself.

[M ANSARI]

So now Hans Nieman is not only the best chess player in the history of chess ... his games are also chess poetry . Funny ... really funny! Hans Nieman is a cheater and fraud and eventually this will be clear and everyone who got fooled will wonder how on earth they did not see the obvious signs. I am even more sure that Hans Nieman cheated over the board in some of his games than I was with Ivanov. It was obvious then, but people will always dissect the obvious and if you look hard enough at a circle ... maybe twist the paper a little ... squint one eye ... and twist your head a little ... it might just possibly start looking like a square.

[Rebel]

So now Hans Nieman is not only the best chess player in the history of chess ... his games are also chess poetry . Funny ... really funny! Hans Nieman is a cheater and fraud and eventually this will be clear and everyone who got fooled will wonder how on earth they did not see the obvious signs. I am even more sure that Hans Nieman cheated over the board in some of his games than I was with Ivanov. It was obvious then, but people will always dissect the obvious and if you look hard enough at a circle ... maybe twist the paper a little ... squint one eye ... and twist your head a little ... it might just possibly start looking like a square.

Following a util I wrote Hans OTB results are better than his online results

The focus of the util is on inferior moves, thus the lower the score the better player.

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PLAYER            POSITIONS  SCORE    ELO   YEAR   SIM
Carlsen,M         : 37270   [89.01]  2856   1990  37.00
Ding-Liren        : 13539   [89.14]  2811   1992  36.99
Giri,A            : 25583   [89.40]  2764   1994  36.43
Nepomniachtchi,I  : 22725   [91.00]  2793   1990  35.97
Nakamura,Hi       : 80593   [96.98]  2768   1987  33.85
Niemann,Hans      : 20047   [97.01]  2699   2003  34.27
Gukesh,D          : 23376   [98.77]  2732   2006  34.65
Keymer,Vincent    : 31227   [99.34]  2700   2004  34.07
Erigaisi,Arjun    : 42477  [100.53]  2728   2003  33.58
Shirov,A          : 21870  [102.05]  2672   1972  34.20
Firouzja,Alireza  : 35116  [103.80]  2785   2003  33.67
Gelman,A          : 32922  [129.93]  2403   1976  28.40
Hoffmann,As       : 49761  [132.51]  2185   1943  27.18

Split the Niemann games into OTB and online:

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PLAYER            POSITIONS  SCORE    ELO   YEAR   SIM
Niemann,Hans INT  : 19958  [102.72]  2699   2003  32.83
Niemann,Hans OTB  : 17152   [93.11]  2699   2003  36.75

[Uri Blass]

So now Hans Nieman is not only the best chess player in the history of chess ... his games are also chess poetry . Funny ... really funny! Hans Nieman is a cheater and fraud and eventually this will be clear and everyone who got fooled will wonder how on earth they did not see the obvious signs. I am even more sure that Hans Nieman cheated over the board in some of his games than I was with Ivanov. It was obvious then, but people will always dissect the obvious and if you look hard enough at a circle ... maybe twist the paper a little ... squint one eye ... and twist your head a little ... it might just possibly start looking like a square.

Nobody claimed that Hans is the best chess player in the history of chess.
I do not know if he is a cheater OTB and it is not a clear case like Ivanov.

[CornfedForever]

So now Hans Nieman is not only the best chess player in the history of chess ... his games are also chess poetry . Funny ... really funny! Hans Nieman is a cheater and fraud and eventually this will be clear and everyone who got fooled will wonder how on earth they did not see the obvious signs. I am even more sure that Hans Nieman cheated over the board in some of his games than I was with Ivanov. It was obvious then, but people will always dissect the obvious and if you look hard enough at a circle ... maybe twist the paper a little ... squint one eye ... and twist your head a little ... it might just possibly start looking like a square.

Nobody claimed that Hans is the best chess player in the history of chess.
I do not know if he is a cheater OTB and it is not a clear case like Ivanov.

There are clowns out there who will say such things...and clowns who will repeat the few who say them. It's best just to ignore the clowns who do not realize their circuses have left town.

I am speaking in general of course, not referring to anyone in particular...just seems like an appropriate opportunity to remind everyone.

[M ANSARI]

So now Hans Nieman is not only the best chess player in the history of chess ... his games are also chess poetry . Funny ... really funny! Hans Nieman is a cheater and fraud and eventually this will be clear and everyone who got fooled will wonder how on earth they did not see the obvious signs. I am even more sure that Hans Nieman cheated over the board in some of his games than I was with Ivanov. It was obvious then, but people will always dissect the obvious and if you look hard enough at a circle ... maybe twist the paper a little ... squint one eye ... and twist your head a little ... it might just possibly start looking like a square.

Nobody claimed that Hans is the best chess player in the history of chess.
I do not know if he is a cheater OTB and it is not a clear case like Ivanov.

There are clowns out there who will say such things...and clowns who will repeat the few who say them. It's best just to ignore the clowns who do not realize their circuses have left town.

I am speaking in general of course, not referring to anyone in particular...just seems like an appropriate opportunity to remind everyone.

And so says the person with CornfedForever as his name. By the way, when I joined this forum, I was told I had to use my real name! When did this change? Of course if that is your real name then my apologies, just that it doesn't seem to be a name someone would be called.

[CornfedForever]

So now Hans Nieman is not only the best chess player in the history of chess ... his games are also chess poetry . Funny ... really funny! Hans Nieman is a cheater and fraud and eventually this will be clear and everyone who got fooled will wonder how on earth they did not see the obvious signs. I am even more sure that Hans Nieman cheated over the board in some of his games than I was with Ivanov. It was obvious then, but people will always dissect the obvious and if you look hard enough at a circle ... maybe twist the paper a little ... squint one eye ... and twist your head a little ... it might just possibly start looking like a square.

Nobody claimed that Hans is the best chess player in the history of chess.
I do not know if he is a cheater OTB and it is not a clear case like Ivanov.

There are clowns out there who will say such things...and clowns who will repeat the few who say them. It's best just to ignore the clowns who do not realize their circuses have left town.

I am speaking in general of course, not referring to anyone in particular...just seems like an appropriate opportunity to remind everyone.

And so says the person with CornfedForever as his name. By the way, when I joined this forum, I was told I had to use my real name! When did this change? Of course if that is your real name then my apologies, just that it doesn't seem to be a name someone would be called.

I understand your need to escape from your own comments, but I'll answer your latest attempt anyway: No. And I don't know why you might have been told that.

[AdminX]

I thought Hans gave a great interview today. Very entertaining!

[CornfedForever]

I thought Hans gave a great interview today. Very entertaining!

Yes, he is quite the creature of extremes. You never know what you are going to get with that 'box of chocolates'!