TAMING THE ITALIAN STALLION
Intel i7-4770k
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
ChessOK-Pre2022HQ.cgb book (restricted to 8 moves depth)
40 moves in 16 minutes repeating
4 cycles 44 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where available)
Participants
Vajolet2 2.8 64-bit
Invictus r382 64-bit
chess22k 1.14 64-bit
Mr Bob 1.1.0 64-bit
Texel 1.07 64-bit
Rybka 4.1 64-bit
Bit-Genie 9 64-bit
iCE 4.0 64-bit
ChessBrain VB 3.74
Atlas 4.25 64-bit
Avalanche 1.2.0 64-bit
Senpai 2.0 64-bit
Games and standings will be available after every six rounds from the following link:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... =7&t=14679
Web based link for live viewing (courtesy of Jay - Berserk author).
http://tlcv.net/16091
Alternatively, if you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=42959
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16091
Linux users can use Livius:
https://github.com/kmar/livius
There is also a Livius windows version.
It has live pv boards as a nice addition.
http://www.crabaware.com/livius/
Taming The Italian Stallion
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Graham Banks
- Posts: 44821
- Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:52 am
- Location: Auckland, NZ
Taming The Italian Stallion
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Graham Banks
- Posts: 44821
- Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:52 am
- Location: Auckland, NZ
Re: Taming The Italian Stallion
TAMING THE ITALIAN STALLION
Intel i7-4770k
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
ChessOK-Pre2022HQ.cgb book (restricted to 8 moves depth)
40 moves in 16 minutes repeating
4 cycles 44 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where available)
Standings after Round 6
4.5 - Vajolet2 2.8 64-bit
4.0 - Bit-Genie 9.0 64-bit
3.5 - chess22k 1.14 64-bit
3.5 - Mr Bob 1.1.0 64-bit
3.0 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit
3.0 - ChessBrainVB 3.74
3.0 - Invictus r382 64-bit
2.5 - Atlas 4.25 64-bit
2.5 - Avalanche 1.2.0 64-bit
2.5 - Texel 1.07 64-bit
2.0 - Senpai 2.0 64-bit
2.0 - iCE 4.0 64-bit
Games and standings will be available after every six rounds from the following link:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... =7&t=14679
Web based link for live viewing (courtesy of Jay - Berserk author).
http://tlcv.net/16091
Alternatively, if you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=42959
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16091
Linux users can use Livius:
https://github.com/kmar/livius
There is also a Livius windows version.
It has live pv boards as a nice addition.
http://www.crabaware.com/livius/
Intel i7-4770k
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
ChessOK-Pre2022HQ.cgb book (restricted to 8 moves depth)
40 moves in 16 minutes repeating
4 cycles 44 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where available)
Standings after Round 6
4.5 - Vajolet2 2.8 64-bit
4.0 - Bit-Genie 9.0 64-bit
3.5 - chess22k 1.14 64-bit
3.5 - Mr Bob 1.1.0 64-bit
3.0 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit
3.0 - ChessBrainVB 3.74
3.0 - Invictus r382 64-bit
2.5 - Atlas 4.25 64-bit
2.5 - Avalanche 1.2.0 64-bit
2.5 - Texel 1.07 64-bit
2.0 - Senpai 2.0 64-bit
2.0 - iCE 4.0 64-bit
Games and standings will be available after every six rounds from the following link:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... =7&t=14679
Web based link for live viewing (courtesy of Jay - Berserk author).
http://tlcv.net/16091
Alternatively, if you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=42959
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16091
Linux users can use Livius:
https://github.com/kmar/livius
There is also a Livius windows version.
It has live pv boards as a nice addition.
http://www.crabaware.com/livius/
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Graham Banks
- Posts: 44821
- Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:52 am
- Location: Auckland, NZ
Re: Taming The Italian Stallion
TAMING THE ITALIAN STALLION
Intel i7-4770k
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
ChessOK-Pre2022HQ.cgb book (restricted to 8 moves depth)
40 moves in 16 minutes repeating
4 cycles 44 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where available)
Standings after Round 12
9.0 - Vajolet2 2.8 64-bit
8.0 - Invictus r382 64-bit
7.0 - Mr Bob 1.1.0 64-bit
6.5 - ChessBrainVB 3.74
6.5 - Texel 1.07 64-bit
5.5 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit
5.5 - Bit-Genie 9.0 64-bit
5.0 - chess22k 1.14 64-bit
5.0 - Avalanche 1.2.0 64-bit
5.0 - Atlas 4.25 64-bit
4.5 - Senpai 2.0 64-bit
4.5 - iCE 4.0 64-bit
Games and standings will be available after every six rounds from the following link:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... =7&t=14679
Web based link for live viewing (courtesy of Jay - Berserk author).
http://tlcv.net/16091
Alternatively, if you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=42959
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16091
Linux users can use Livius:
https://github.com/kmar/livius
There is also a Livius windows version.
It has live pv boards as a nice addition.
http://www.crabaware.com/livius/
Intel i7-4770k
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
ChessOK-Pre2022HQ.cgb book (restricted to 8 moves depth)
40 moves in 16 minutes repeating
4 cycles 44 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where available)
Standings after Round 12
9.0 - Vajolet2 2.8 64-bit
8.0 - Invictus r382 64-bit
7.0 - Mr Bob 1.1.0 64-bit
6.5 - ChessBrainVB 3.74
6.5 - Texel 1.07 64-bit
5.5 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit
5.5 - Bit-Genie 9.0 64-bit
5.0 - chess22k 1.14 64-bit
5.0 - Avalanche 1.2.0 64-bit
5.0 - Atlas 4.25 64-bit
4.5 - Senpai 2.0 64-bit
4.5 - iCE 4.0 64-bit
Games and standings will be available after every six rounds from the following link:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... =7&t=14679
Web based link for live viewing (courtesy of Jay - Berserk author).
http://tlcv.net/16091
Alternatively, if you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=42959
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16091
Linux users can use Livius:
https://github.com/kmar/livius
There is also a Livius windows version.
It has live pv boards as a nice addition.
http://www.crabaware.com/livius/
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Graham Banks
- Posts: 44821
- Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:52 am
- Location: Auckland, NZ
Re: Taming The Italian Stallion
TAMING THE ITALIAN STALLION
Intel i7-4770k
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
ChessOK-Pre2022HQ.cgb book (restricted to 8 moves depth)
40 moves in 16 minutes repeating
4 cycles 44 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where available)
Standings after Round 18
12.5 - Vajolet2 2.8 64-bit
11.0 - Invictus r382 64-bit
10.5 - Mr Bob 1.1.0 64-bit
9.5 - Texel 1.07 64-bit
9.0 - ChessBrainVB 3.74
8.5 - iCE 4.0 64-bit
8.5 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit
8.5 - Bit-Genie 9.0 64-bit
8.0 - chess22k 1.14 64-bit
7.5 - Senpai 2.0 64-bit
7.5 - Atlas 4.25 64-bit
7.0 - Avalanche 1.2.0 64-bit
Games and standings will be available after every six rounds from the following link:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... =7&t=14679
Web based link for live viewing (courtesy of Jay - Berserk author).
http://tlcv.net/16091
Alternatively, if you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=42959
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16091
Linux users can use Livius:
https://github.com/kmar/livius
There is also a Livius windows version.
It has live pv boards as a nice addition.
http://www.crabaware.com/livius/
Intel i7-4770k
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
ChessOK-Pre2022HQ.cgb book (restricted to 8 moves depth)
40 moves in 16 minutes repeating
4 cycles 44 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where available)
Standings after Round 18
12.5 - Vajolet2 2.8 64-bit
11.0 - Invictus r382 64-bit
10.5 - Mr Bob 1.1.0 64-bit
9.5 - Texel 1.07 64-bit
9.0 - ChessBrainVB 3.74
8.5 - iCE 4.0 64-bit
8.5 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit
8.5 - Bit-Genie 9.0 64-bit
8.0 - chess22k 1.14 64-bit
7.5 - Senpai 2.0 64-bit
7.5 - Atlas 4.25 64-bit
7.0 - Avalanche 1.2.0 64-bit
Games and standings will be available after every six rounds from the following link:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... =7&t=14679
Web based link for live viewing (courtesy of Jay - Berserk author).
http://tlcv.net/16091
Alternatively, if you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=42959
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16091
Linux users can use Livius:
https://github.com/kmar/livius
There is also a Livius windows version.
It has live pv boards as a nice addition.
http://www.crabaware.com/livius/
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Graham Banks
- Posts: 44821
- Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:52 am
- Location: Auckland, NZ
Re: Taming The Italian Stallion
TAMING THE ITALIAN STALLION
Intel i7-4770k
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
ChessOK-Pre2022HQ.cgb book (restricted to 8 moves depth)
40 moves in 16 minutes repeating
4 cycles 44 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where available)
Standings after Round 24
15.0 - Vajolet2 2.8 64-bit
15.0 - Invictus r382 64-bit
13.5 - Texel 1.07 64-bit
13.5 - Mr Bob 1.1.0 64-bit
12.5 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit
12.0 - iCE 4.0 64-bit
11.5 - chess22k 1.14 64-bit
11.0 - ChessBrainVB 3.74
10.5 - Atlas 4.25 64-bit
10.5 - Avalanche 1.2.0 64-bit
10.0 - Bit-Genie 9.0 64-bit
9.0 - Senpai 2.0 64-bit
Games and standings will be available after every six rounds from the following link:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... =7&t=14679
Web based link for live viewing (courtesy of Jay - Berserk author).
http://tlcv.net/16091
Alternatively, if you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=42959
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16091
Linux users can use Livius:
https://github.com/kmar/livius
There is also a Livius windows version.
It has live pv boards as a nice addition.
http://www.crabaware.com/livius/
Intel i7-4770k
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
ChessOK-Pre2022HQ.cgb book (restricted to 8 moves depth)
40 moves in 16 minutes repeating
4 cycles 44 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where available)
Standings after Round 24
15.0 - Vajolet2 2.8 64-bit
15.0 - Invictus r382 64-bit
13.5 - Texel 1.07 64-bit
13.5 - Mr Bob 1.1.0 64-bit
12.5 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit
12.0 - iCE 4.0 64-bit
11.5 - chess22k 1.14 64-bit
11.0 - ChessBrainVB 3.74
10.5 - Atlas 4.25 64-bit
10.5 - Avalanche 1.2.0 64-bit
10.0 - Bit-Genie 9.0 64-bit
9.0 - Senpai 2.0 64-bit
Games and standings will be available after every six rounds from the following link:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... =7&t=14679
Web based link for live viewing (courtesy of Jay - Berserk author).
http://tlcv.net/16091
Alternatively, if you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=42959
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16091
Linux users can use Livius:
https://github.com/kmar/livius
There is also a Livius windows version.
It has live pv boards as a nice addition.
http://www.crabaware.com/livius/
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Graham Banks
- Posts: 44821
- Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:52 am
- Location: Auckland, NZ
Re: Taming The Italian Stallion
TAMING THE ITALIAN STALLION
Intel i7-4770k
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
ChessOK-Pre2022HQ.cgb book (restricted to 8 moves depth)
40 moves in 16 minutes repeating
4 cycles 44 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where available)
Standings after Round 30
20.0 - Vajolet2 2.8 64-bit
17.5 - Invictus r382 64-bit
17.0 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit
16.5 - Mr Bob 1.1.0 64-bit
15.0 - Texel 1.07 64-bit
14.5 - chess22k 1.14 64-bit
14.5 - ChessBrainVB 3.74
14.0 - iCE 4.0 64-bit
14.0 - Avalanche 1.2.0 64-bit
13.0 - Atlas 4.25 64-bit
12.5 - Bit-Genie 9.0 64-bit
11.5 - Senpai 2.0 64-bit
Games and standings will be available after every six rounds from the following link:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... =7&t=14679
Web based link for live viewing (courtesy of Jay - Berserk author).
http://tlcv.net/16091
Alternatively, if you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=42959
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16091
Linux users can use Livius:
https://github.com/kmar/livius
There is also a Livius windows version.
It has live pv boards as a nice addition.
http://www.crabaware.com/livius/
Intel i7-4770k
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
ChessOK-Pre2022HQ.cgb book (restricted to 8 moves depth)
40 moves in 16 minutes repeating
4 cycles 44 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where available)
Standings after Round 30
20.0 - Vajolet2 2.8 64-bit
17.5 - Invictus r382 64-bit
17.0 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit
16.5 - Mr Bob 1.1.0 64-bit
15.0 - Texel 1.07 64-bit
14.5 - chess22k 1.14 64-bit
14.5 - ChessBrainVB 3.74
14.0 - iCE 4.0 64-bit
14.0 - Avalanche 1.2.0 64-bit
13.0 - Atlas 4.25 64-bit
12.5 - Bit-Genie 9.0 64-bit
11.5 - Senpai 2.0 64-bit
Games and standings will be available after every six rounds from the following link:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... =7&t=14679
Web based link for live viewing (courtesy of Jay - Berserk author).
http://tlcv.net/16091
Alternatively, if you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=42959
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16091
Linux users can use Livius:
https://github.com/kmar/livius
There is also a Livius windows version.
It has live pv boards as a nice addition.
http://www.crabaware.com/livius/
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Graham Banks
- Posts: 44821
- Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:52 am
- Location: Auckland, NZ
Re: Taming The Italian Stallion
TAMING THE ITALIAN STALLION
Intel i7-4770k
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
ChessOK-Pre2022HQ.cgb book (restricted to 8 moves depth)
40 moves in 16 minutes repeating
4 cycles 44 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where available)
Standings after Round 36
24.5 - Vajolet2 2.8 64-bit
20.0 - Invictus r382 64-bit
19.5 - Mr Bob 1.1.0 64-bit
19.0 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit
18.5 - chess22k 1.14 64-bit
18.0 - ChessBrainVB 3.74
17.5 - Texel 1.07 64-bit
17.0 - Avalanche 1.2.0 64-bit
17.0 - Bit-Genie 9.0 64-bit
16.5 - iCE 4.0 64-bit
14.5 - Atlas 4.25 64-bit
14.0 - Senpai 2.0 64-bit
Games and standings will be available after every six rounds from the following link:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... =7&t=14679
Web based link for live viewing (courtesy of Jay - Berserk author).
http://tlcv.net/16091
Alternatively, if you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=42959
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16091
Linux users can use Livius:
https://github.com/kmar/livius
There is also a Livius windows version.
It has live pv boards as a nice addition.
http://www.crabaware.com/livius/
Intel i7-4770k
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
ChessOK-Pre2022HQ.cgb book (restricted to 8 moves depth)
40 moves in 16 minutes repeating
4 cycles 44 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where available)
Standings after Round 36
24.5 - Vajolet2 2.8 64-bit
20.0 - Invictus r382 64-bit
19.5 - Mr Bob 1.1.0 64-bit
19.0 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit
18.5 - chess22k 1.14 64-bit
18.0 - ChessBrainVB 3.74
17.5 - Texel 1.07 64-bit
17.0 - Avalanche 1.2.0 64-bit
17.0 - Bit-Genie 9.0 64-bit
16.5 - iCE 4.0 64-bit
14.5 - Atlas 4.25 64-bit
14.0 - Senpai 2.0 64-bit
Games and standings will be available after every six rounds from the following link:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... =7&t=14679
Web based link for live viewing (courtesy of Jay - Berserk author).
http://tlcv.net/16091
Alternatively, if you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=42959
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16091
Linux users can use Livius:
https://github.com/kmar/livius
There is also a Livius windows version.
It has live pv boards as a nice addition.
http://www.crabaware.com/livius/
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Graham Banks
- Posts: 44821
- Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:52 am
- Location: Auckland, NZ
Re: Taming The Italian Stallion
TAMING THE ITALIAN STALLION
Intel i7-4770k
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
ChessOK-Pre2022HQ.cgb book (restricted to 8 moves depth)
40 moves in 16 minutes repeating
4 cycles 44 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where available)
Final Standings
28.0 - Vajolet2 2.8 64-bit
24.5 - Invictus r382 64-bit
24.0 - Mr Bob 1.1.0 64-bit
23.0 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit
22.5 - chess22k 1.14 64-bit
22.0 - Bit-Genie 9.0 64-bit
21.0 - Avalanche 1.2.0 64-bit
21.0 - Texel 1.07 64-bit
20.5 - iCE 4.0 64-bit
20.5 - ChessBrainVB 3.74
19.0 - Senpai 2.0 64-bit
18.0 - Atlas 4.25 64-bit
The complete tournament pgn (zipped) can be downloaded here:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=51761
Intel i7-4770k
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
ChessOK-Pre2022HQ.cgb book (restricted to 8 moves depth)
40 moves in 16 minutes repeating
4 cycles 44 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where available)
Final Standings
28.0 - Vajolet2 2.8 64-bit
24.5 - Invictus r382 64-bit
24.0 - Mr Bob 1.1.0 64-bit
23.0 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit
22.5 - chess22k 1.14 64-bit
22.0 - Bit-Genie 9.0 64-bit
21.0 - Avalanche 1.2.0 64-bit
21.0 - Texel 1.07 64-bit
20.5 - iCE 4.0 64-bit
20.5 - ChessBrainVB 3.74
19.0 - Senpai 2.0 64-bit
18.0 - Atlas 4.25 64-bit
The complete tournament pgn (zipped) can be downloaded here:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=51761
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Graham Banks
- Posts: 44821
- Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:52 am
- Location: Auckland, NZ
Re: Taming The Italian Stallion
Congratulations to Marco (Vajolet author) for winning the tournament.
The Italian stallion wasn't tamed.
Thanks to all who took an interest in the tournament.
The Italian stallion wasn't tamed.
Thanks to all who took an interest in the tournament.
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Manza
- Posts: 41
- Joined: Tue Nov 12, 2013 4:26 pm
- Location: Alcalá de Henares, Madrid (Spain)
Re: Taming The Italian Stallion
Great tournament and greetings (from last place
).
Andrés Manzanares.
Andrés Manzanares.
If your problem has a solution then...why worry about it? If your problem doesn’t have solution then...why worry about it?