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Moves with questionable uniqueness

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Finally I decided to create a separate thread to collect those moves. For example:


[fen]8/2k5/3p1pK1/3PpP1n/1p1pBp2/1PbP1P2/8/B7 w - - 2 4[/fen]

Is 4.Bb2 the only drawing move here?
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Re: Moves with questionable uniqueness

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[fen]4k3/4Pp1Q/3PpP1P/1Kpp4/P1B4P/5p2/RP1qnPr1/5nr1 b - - 0 2[/fen]

Is 2...Rg8 the only drawing move here?



[fen]5q2/1K2ppNp/7k/P6P/8/3N2P1/BB6/5n2 w - - 0 1[/fen]

1) Is 1.Be6 the only winning move here?
2) Is 2.Ne5 after 1.Be6 Ne3 the only winning move?
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Re: Moves with questionable uniqueness

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Hobacle wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:16 pm Finally I decided to create a separate thread to collect those moves. For example:


[fen]8/2k5/3p1pK1/3PpP1n/1p1pBp2/1PbP1P2/8/B7 w - - 2 4[/fen]

Is 4.Bb2 the only drawing move here?
I don't think so, Crystal says:


[fen]8/2k5/3p1pK1/3PpP1n/1p1pBp2/1PbP1P2/8/B7 w - - 0 1[/fen]



Analysis by Crystal 5 KWK:

1. = (0.00): 4.Bb2 Ng3 5.Bc1 Ne2 6.Bb2

2. = (0.00): 4.Kxh5 Kd8 5.Bb2 Bxb2 6.Kg6 Ke7 7.Kh5

3. -+ (-#20): 4.Kf7 Kd7 5.Kg6 Ng3 6.Kxf6 Nxe4+ 7.Kg7 Ng3 8.Kg6 Ke7 9.f6+ Kf8 10.Kg5 Bxa1 11.Kh4 Kf7 12.Kh3 Ne2 13.Kg2 Nc1 14.Kf2 Kxf6 15.Kg2 Nxb3 16.Kf1 Nd2+ 17.Ke2 Bc3 18.Ke1 b3 19.Kf2 b2 20.Kg2 b1Q 21.Kh2 Qe1 22.Kg2 Qf1+ 23.Kh2 Nxf3#

But probably it's missing some cyclic Zugzwang again
:)
BTW, fen- icon does not work again right now. [d] syntax is created by it using the icon after submitting, regards
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Re: Moves with questionable uniqueness

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Hobacle wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:16 pm [fen]4k3/4Pp1Q/3PpP1P/1Kpp4/P1B4P/5p2/RP1qnPr1/5nr1 b - - 0 2[/fen]

Is 2...Rg8 the only drawing move here?
4k3/4Pp1Q/3PpP1P/1Kpp4/P1B4P/5p2/RP1qnPr1/5nr1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Crystal 5 KWK:

1. = (0.00): 2...Rg8 3.Bxe2 Kd7 4.e8Q+ Kxe8 5.Kc6 Qa5 6.Bb5 Kf8 7.b4 Qa8+ 8.Kc7 Qa7+ 9.Kc8 cxb4 10.d7 Qa8+ 11.Kc7 Qa7+

2. +/- (1.17): 2...Qb4+ 3.Ka6 Qxc4+ 4.Kb7 Qf4 5.Qd3 Qxd6 6.Qb5+ Qd7+ 7.Ka8 Qxb5 8.axb5 Rg8 9.Kb7 Kd7 10.h7 R1g4 11.h5 Nd4 12.hxg8R Rxg8 13.Ra8 Rxa8 14.Kxa8 Nd2 15.h6 Nxb5 16.h7 Nc7+ 17.Kb7 Ne8 18.h8Q Ne4 19.Kb6 c4 20.Qh5 N4xf6 21.Qxf3 Ng8 22.Qxf7 Nxe7 23.Qh5 Nd6 24.Qh7 Ne4 25.f3 Nd6 26.Qg7 Ndc8+ 27.Kc5 Nd6 28.Qh8 Ndc8 29.Qe5 Nf5 30.Qb8 Ncd6 31.Qa7+ Ke8 32.Qc7 Nf7
Hobacle wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:16 pm
[fen]5q2/1K2ppNp/7k/P6P/8/3N2P1/BB6/5n2 w - - 0 1[/fen]

1) Is 1.Be6 the only winning move here?
2) Is 2.Ne5 after 1.Be6 Ne3 the only winning move?
5q2/1K2ppNp/7k/P6P/8/3N2P1/BB6/5n2 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Crystal 5 KWK:

1. +- (2.29): 1.Be6 Ne3 2.Ne5 fxe6 3.Bc1 Qxg7 4.Bxe3+ Kxh5 5.g4+ Kh4 6.Bf2+ Kh3 7.Bd4 Qf8 8.a6 Qf4 9.Nc6 e5 10.Bb6 Kxg4 11.a7 Qa4 12.Nxe5+ Kf4 13.Nd3+ Kf5 14.Nc5 Qa2 15.a8Q Qxa8+ 16.Kxa8 h5 17.Bc7 h4 18.Nd3 Ke4 19.Ne5 h3 20.Ng4 e5 21.Kb7 Kd5 22.Bxe5 Ke4 23.Bc7 h2 24.Nxh2

2. +/= (0.32): 1.Nf5+ Kg5 2.a6 Qd8 3.Nd4 Qd7+ 4.Kb6 Qd8+ 5.Kb5 Nxg3 6.Nb4 Ne4 7.Bd5 Nd6+ 8.Ka4 Qd7+ 9.Bc6 Qd8 10.Bf3 Nc8 11.Bc1+ Kh4 12.Be3 e5 13.Nb5 Qd7 14.Bf2+ Kh3 15.a7 Nxa7 16.Bxa7 f5 17.Bd5 Qe8 18.h6 e4 19.Bc6 Qg6 20.Bc5 Kg3 21.Kb3 Qxh6 22.Nd4 Qh5 23.Nd5 Qd1+ 24.Kb4 Qb1+ 25.Kc3 Qd3+ 26.Kb2

1.Be5 Ne3

5q2/1K2ppNp/4B2k/P6P/8/3Nn1P1/1B6/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Crystal 5 KWK:

1. +- (2.32): 2.Ne5 fxe6 3.Bc1 Qxg7 4.Bxe3+ Kxh5 5.g4+ Kh4 6.Bf2+ Kh3 7.Bd4 Qf6 8.a6 Qf4 9.Nc6 e5 10.Bb6 Qxg4 11.a7 Qa4 12.Nxe5 Qa1 13.Nc6 h5 14.a8Q Qxa8+ 15.Kxa8 h4 16.Bc7 Kg2 17.Ne5 h3 18.Ng4 h2 19.Nxh2 e5 20.Bxe5 Kf2 21.Kb7 Ke3 22.Kc6 Ke4 23.Kd6 Kf5 24.Kd5 Kg5 25.Ke4 Kg6 26.Ng4 Kf7 27.Kd5 Ke7 28.Ne3 Kd7 29.Bg3 Ke8

2. +/- (0.93): 2.g4 Nxg4 3.Bxg4 Qd8 4.Nf5+ Kg5 5.Nd4 Qxa5 6.Be2 Kh6 7.Bf3 e6 8.Bc6 Qa2 9.Kb6 Kxh5 10.Nf3 Qb3+ 11.Bb5 Kg6 12.Nfe5+ Kf6 13.Nd7+ Kf5 14.N7c5 Qd5 15.Kc7 h5 16.Bc6 Qa2 17.Kd7 h4 18.Ke8 h3 19.Be4+ Kg4 20.Kxf7 e5+ 21.Kf6 Qg8 22.Bxe5 Qf8+ 23.Ke6 h2 24.Nd7 Qg8+ 25.Ke7 Qa2 26.Bd4 Qa3+ 27.N7c5 Qa7+ 28.Kf6 Qb8 29.Be5 Qf8+ 30.Ke6

Not quite sure but probably yes (2.Ne5 winning only) too, regards
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Re: Moves with questionable uniqueness

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peter wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:44 pm
Hobacle wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:16 pm Finally I decided to create a separate thread to collect those moves. For example:


[fen]8/2k5/3p1pK1/3PpP1n/1p1pBp2/1PbP1P2/8/B7 w - - 2 4[/fen]

Is 4.Bb2 the only drawing move here?
I don't think so, Crystal says:


[fen]8/2k5/3p1pK1/3PpP1n/1p1pBp2/1PbP1P2/8/B7 w - - 0 1[/fen]



Analysis by Crystal 5 KWK:

1. = (0.00): 4.Bb2 Ng3 5.Bc1 Ne2 6.Bb2

2. = (0.00): 4.Kxh5 Kd8 5.Bb2 Bxb2 6.Kg6 Ke7 7.Kh5

3. -+ (-#20): 4.Kf7 Kd7 5.Kg6 Ng3 6.Kxf6 Nxe4+ 7.Kg7 Ng3 8.Kg6 Ke7 9.f6+ Kf8 10.Kg5 Bxa1 11.Kh4 Kf7 12.Kh3 Ne2 13.Kg2 Nc1 14.Kf2 Kxf6 15.Kg2 Nxb3 16.Kf1 Nd2+ 17.Ke2 Bc3 18.Ke1 b3 19.Kf2 b2 20.Kg2 b1Q 21.Kh2 Qe1 22.Kg2 Qf1+ 23.Kh2 Nxf3#
My fault... I should post the line. It's the position from my study after the 3rd move:
[pgn]
[Date "2022.01.27"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1q6/2R4K/1k1p1p2/2NPpP1n/1p1pBp2/1PbP1P2/8/B7 w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "109"]
[EventDate "2022.??.??"]

1. Rb7+ $1 Qxb7+ 2. Nxb7 Kxb7 3. Kg6 Kc7 4. Bb2 $3 (4. Kxh5 Kd7 5. Bb2 Bxb2 6.
Kh6 Ke7 7. Kg6 Bc3 8. Kg7 Be1 9. Kg6 Bg3 10. Kg7 Bh4 11. Kg8 Ke8 12. Kg7 Bg5
13. Kg8 Bh6 14. Kh7 Bf8 15. Kg8 Ke7 16. Kh8 Kf7 17. Kh7 Be7 18. Kh6 Bd8 19. Kh7
Ba5 20. Kh6 Bb6 21. Kh7 Bd8 22. Kh8 Be7 23. Kh7 Bf8 24. Kh8 Bg7+ 25. Kh7 Kf8
26. Kg6 Kg8 27. Kh5 Kh7 28. Kh4 Bh6 29. Kg4 Bg5 30. Kh5 Kg7 31. Kg4 Kh6 32. Kh3
Kh5 33. Kg2 Bh4 34. Kf1 Bg3 35. Kg1 Kh4 36. Kg2 Be1 37. Kf1 Bc3 38. Kg2 Bd2 39.
Kh2 Be1 40. Kg2 Bg3 41. Kf1 Kh3 42. Kg1 Bh4 43. Kh1 Be1 44. Kg1 Kg3 45. Kf1 Bf2
46. Ke2 Kg2 47. Kd2 Kf1 48. Kc2 Ke1 49. Kc1 Be3+ 50. Kc2 Ke2 51. Kb1 Kd1 52.
Kb2 Kd2 53. Kb1 Kc3 54. Ka2 Kc2 55. Ka1 Kxb3 $19) 4... Bxb2 5. Kxh5 Kd7 6. Kh6
$1 Ke7 7. Kg6 Bc3 8. Kg7 Be1 9. Kg6 Bg3 10. Kg7 Bh4 11. Kg8 Ke8 12. Kg7 Bg5 13.
Kg8 Bh6 14. Kh7 Bf8 15. Kg8 Ke7 16. Kh8 Kf7 17. Kh7 Be7 18. Kh6 Bd8 19. Kh7 Ba5
20. Kh6 Bb6 21. Kh7 Bd8 22. Kh6 Be7 23. Kh7 Bf8 24. Kh8 Bg7+ 25. Kh7 Kf8 26.
Kg6 Kg8 27. Kh5 Kh7 28. Kh4 Bh6 29. Kg4 Bg5 30. Kh5 Kg7 31. Kg4 Kh6 32. Kh3 Kh5
33. Kg2 Bh4 34. Kf1 $1 Bg3 35. Kg1 Kh4 36. Kg2 Be1 37. Kf1 $1 Bc3 38. Kg2 Bd2
39. Kh2 Be1 40. Kg2 Bg3 41. Kf1 Kh3 42. Kg1 Bh4 43. Kh1 Be1 44. Kg1 Kg3 45. Kf1
Bf2 46. Ke2 Kg2 47. Kd2 Kf1 48. Kc2 $1 Ke2 49. Kc1 Be3+ 50. Kc2 Ke1 51. Kb1 Kd1
52. Kb2 Kd2 53. Kb1 Kc3 54. Ka2 Kc2 55. Ka1 1/2-1/2

[/pgn]
4.Kxh5 would lose by the 50-move rule according to my calculation, but it was better to confirm it by computer.
peter wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:02 pm
Hobacle wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:16 pm [fen]4k3/4Pp1Q/3PpP1P/1Kpp4/P1B4P/5p2/RP1qnPr1/5nr1 b - - 0 2[/fen]

Is 2...Rg8 the only drawing move here?
4k3/4Pp1Q/3PpP1P/1Kpp4/P1B4P/5p2/RP1qnPr1/5nr1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Crystal 5 KWK:

1. = (0.00): 2...Rg8 3.Bxe2 Kd7 4.e8Q+ Kxe8 5.Kc6 Qa5 6.Bb5 Kf8 7.b4 Qa8+ 8.Kc7 Qa7+ 9.Kc8 cxb4 10.d7 Qa8+ 11.Kc7 Qa7+

2. +/- (1.17): 2...Qb4+ 3.Ka6 Qxc4+ 4.Kb7 Qf4 5.Qd3 Qxd6 6.Qb5+ Qd7+ 7.Ka8 Qxb5 8.axb5 Rg8 9.Kb7 Kd7 10.h7 R1g4 11.h5 Nd4 12.hxg8R Rxg8 13.Ra8 Rxa8 14.Kxa8 Nd2 15.h6 Nxb5 16.h7 Nc7+ 17.Kb7 Ne8 18.h8Q Ne4 19.Kb6 c4 20.Qh5 N4xf6 21.Qxf3 Ng8 22.Qxf7 Nxe7 23.Qh5 Nd6 24.Qh7 Ne4 25.f3 Nd6 26.Qg7 Ndc8+ 27.Kc5 Nd6 28.Qh8 Ndc8 29.Qe5 Nf5 30.Qb8 Ncd6 31.Qa7+ Ke8 32.Qc7 Nf7
I got the same result from my computer, but it isn't enough to prove a draw or a win. 2...Qb4 line leads to a NNvQ endgame with some pawns, which is too deep for me. Since 2...Qb4 is the only possible move other than 2...Rg8, maybe we can start from 8.axb5 in its line.
peter wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:02 pm
Hobacle wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:16 pm
[fen]5q2/1K2ppNp/7k/P6P/8/3N2P1/BB6/5n2 w - - 0 1[/fen]

1) Is 1.Be6 the only winning move here?
2) Is 2.Ne5 after 1.Be6 Ne3 the only winning move?
5q2/1K2ppNp/7k/P6P/8/3N2P1/BB6/5n2 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Crystal 5 KWK:

1. +- (2.29): 1.Be6 Ne3 2.Ne5 fxe6 3.Bc1 Qxg7 4.Bxe3+ Kxh5 5.g4+ Kh4 6.Bf2+ Kh3 7.Bd4 Qf8 8.a6 Qf4 9.Nc6 e5 10.Bb6 Kxg4 11.a7 Qa4 12.Nxe5+ Kf4 13.Nd3+ Kf5 14.Nc5 Qa2 15.a8Q Qxa8+ 16.Kxa8 h5 17.Bc7 h4 18.Nd3 Ke4 19.Ne5 h3 20.Ng4 e5 21.Kb7 Kd5 22.Bxe5 Ke4 23.Bc7 h2 24.Nxh2

2. +/= (0.32): 1.Nf5+ Kg5 2.a6 Qd8 3.Nd4 Qd7+ 4.Kb6 Qd8+ 5.Kb5 Nxg3 6.Nb4 Ne4 7.Bd5 Nd6+ 8.Ka4 Qd7+ 9.Bc6 Qd8 10.Bf3 Nc8 11.Bc1+ Kh4 12.Be3 e5 13.Nb5 Qd7 14.Bf2+ Kh3 15.a7 Nxa7 16.Bxa7 f5 17.Bd5 Qe8 18.h6 e4 19.Bc6 Qg6 20.Bc5 Kg3 21.Kb3 Qxh6 22.Nd4 Qh5 23.Nd5 Qd1+ 24.Kb4 Qb1+ 25.Kc3 Qd3+ 26.Kb2

1.Be5 Ne3

5q2/1K2ppNp/4B2k/P6P/8/3Nn1P1/1B6/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Crystal 5 KWK:

1. +- (2.32): 2.Ne5 fxe6 3.Bc1 Qxg7 4.Bxe3+ Kxh5 5.g4+ Kh4 6.Bf2+ Kh3 7.Bd4 Qf6 8.a6 Qf4 9.Nc6 e5 10.Bb6 Qxg4 11.a7 Qa4 12.Nxe5 Qa1 13.Nc6 h5 14.a8Q Qxa8+ 15.Kxa8 h4 16.Bc7 Kg2 17.Ne5 h3 18.Ng4 h2 19.Nxh2 e5 20.Bxe5 Kf2 21.Kb7 Ke3 22.Kc6 Ke4 23.Kd6 Kf5 24.Kd5 Kg5 25.Ke4 Kg6 26.Ng4 Kf7 27.Kd5 Ke7 28.Ne3 Kd7 29.Bg3 Ke8

2. +/- (0.93): 2.g4 Nxg4 3.Bxg4 Qd8 4.Nf5+ Kg5 5.Nd4 Qxa5 6.Be2 Kh6 7.Bf3 e6 8.Bc6 Qa2 9.Kb6 Kxh5 10.Nf3 Qb3+ 11.Bb5 Kg6 12.Nfe5+ Kf6 13.Nd7+ Kf5 14.N7c5 Qd5 15.Kc7 h5 16.Bc6 Qa2 17.Kd7 h4 18.Ke8 h3 19.Be4+ Kg4 20.Kxf7 e5+ 21.Kf6 Qg8 22.Bxe5 Qf8+ 23.Ke6 h2 24.Nd7 Qg8+ 25.Ke7 Qa2 26.Bd4 Qa3+ 27.N7c5 Qa7+ 28.Kf6 Qb8 29.Be5 Qf8+ 30.Ke6

Not quite sure but probably yes (2.Ne5 winning only) too, regards
My main concern is 1.Be6 Ne3 2.g4 . After 2...Nxg4 3.Bxg4, the BBNNvQ endgame seems winning for White from my pov, although Black has some extra pawns.
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Re: Moves with questionable uniqueness

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Hobacle wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:15 pm My fault... I should post the line. It's the position from my study after the 3rd move:
[pgn]
[Date "2022.01.27"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1q6/2R4K/1k1p1p2/2NPpP1n/1p1pBp2/1PbP1P2/8/B7 w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "109"]
[EventDate "2022.??.??"]

1. Rb7+ $1 Qxb7+ 2. Nxb7 Kxb7 3. Kg6 Kc7 4. Bb2 $3 (4. Kxh5 Kd7 5. Bb2 Bxb2 6.
Kh6 Ke7 7. Kg6 Bc3 8. Kg7 Be1 9. Kg6 Bg3 10. Kg7 Bh4 11. Kg8 Ke8 12. Kg7 Bg5
13. Kg8 Bh6 14. Kh7 Bf8 15. Kg8 Ke7 16. Kh8 Kf7 17. Kh7 Be7 18. Kh6 Bd8 19. Kh7
Ba5 20. Kh6 Bb6 21. Kh7 Bd8 22. Kh8 Be7 23. Kh7 Bf8 24. Kh8 Bg7+ 25. Kh7 Kf8
26. Kg6 Kg8 27. Kh5 Kh7 28. Kh4 Bh6 29. Kg4 Bg5 30. Kh5 Kg7 31. Kg4 Kh6 32. Kh3
Kh5 33. Kg2 Bh4 34. Kf1 Bg3 35. Kg1 Kh4 36. Kg2 Be1 37. Kf1 Bc3 38. Kg2 Bd2 39.
Kh2 Be1 40. Kg2 Bg3 41. Kf1 Kh3 42. Kg1 Bh4 43. Kh1 Be1 44. Kg1 Kg3 45. Kf1 Bf2
46. Ke2 Kg2 47. Kd2 Kf1 48. Kc2 Ke1 49. Kc1 Be3+ 50. Kc2 Ke2 51. Kb1 Kd1 52.
Kb2 Kd2 53. Kb1 Kc3 54. Ka2 Kc2 55. Ka1 Kxb3 $19) 4... Bxb2 5. Kxh5 Kd7 6. Kh6
$1 Ke7 7. Kg6 Bc3 8. Kg7 Be1 9. Kg6 Bg3 10. Kg7 Bh4 11. Kg8 Ke8 12. Kg7 Bg5 13.
Kg8 Bh6 14. Kh7 Bf8 15. Kg8 Ke7 16. Kh8 Kf7 17. Kh7 Be7 18. Kh6 Bd8 19. Kh7 Ba5
20. Kh6 Bb6 21. Kh7 Bd8 22. Kh6 Be7 23. Kh7 Bf8 24. Kh8 Bg7+ 25. Kh7 Kf8 26.
Kg6 Kg8 27. Kh5 Kh7 28. Kh4 Bh6 29. Kg4 Bg5 30. Kh5 Kg7 31. Kg4 Kh6 32. Kh3 Kh5
33. Kg2 Bh4 34. Kf1 $1 Bg3 35. Kg1 Kh4 36. Kg2 Be1 37. Kf1 $1 Bc3 38. Kg2 Bd2
39. Kh2 Be1 40. Kg2 Bg3 41. Kf1 Kh3 42. Kg1 Bh4 43. Kh1 Be1 44. Kg1 Kg3 45. Kf1
Bf2 46. Ke2 Kg2 47. Kd2 Kf1 48. Kc2 $1 Ke2 49. Kc1 Be3+ 50. Kc2 Ke1 51. Kb1 Kd1
52. Kb2 Kd2 53. Kb1 Kc3 54. Ka2 Kc2 55. Ka1 1/2-1/2
[/pgn]
4.Kxh5 would lose by the 50-move rule according to my calculation, but it was better to confirm it by computer.
Edit: if you read my text here before, sorry, I was simply to stupid for your studies once again and couldn't delete it anymore, just edit, but about my first suspicion, that could be a matter of cyclic zugzwang again, I yet was right, wasn't I?
:)
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Re: Moves with questionable uniqueness

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Hobacle wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:15 pm
peter wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:44 pm
Hobacle wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:16 pm [fen]4k3/4Pp1Q/3PpP1P/1Kpp4/P1B4P/5p2/RP1qnPr1/5nr1 b - - 0 2[/fen]

Is 2...Rg8 the only drawing move here?
4k3/4Pp1Q/3PpP1P/1Kpp4/P1B4P/5p2/RP1qnPr1/5nr1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Crystal 5 KWK:

1. = (0.00): 2...Rg8 3.Bxe2 Kd7 4.e8Q+ Kxe8 5.Kc6 Qa5 6.Bb5 Kf8 7.b4 Qa8+ 8.Kc7 Qa7+ 9.Kc8 cxb4 10.d7 Qa8+ 11.Kc7 Qa7+

2. +/- (1.17): 2...Qb4+ 3.Ka6 Qxc4+ 4.Kb7 Qf4 5.Qd3 Qxd6 6.Qb5+ Qd7+ 7.Ka8 Qxb5 8.axb5 Rg8 9.Kb7 Kd7 10.h7 R1g4 11.h5 Nd4 12.hxg8R Rxg8 13.Ra8 Rxa8 14.Kxa8 Nd2 15.h6 Nxb5 16.h7 Nc7+ 17.Kb7 Ne8 18.h8Q Ne4 19.Kb6 c4 20.Qh5 N4xf6 21.Qxf3 Ng8 22.Qxf7 Nxe7 23.Qh5 Nd6 24.Qh7 Ne4 25.f3 Nd6 26.Qg7 Ndc8+ 27.Kc5 Nd6 28.Qh8 Ndc8 29.Qe5 Nf5 30.Qb8 Ncd6 31.Qa7+ Ke8 32.Qc7 Nf7
I got the same result from my computer, but it isn't enough to prove a draw or a win. 2...Qb4 line leads to a NNvQ endgame with some pawns, which is too deep for me. Since 2...Qb4 is the only possible move other than 2...Rg8, maybe we can start from 8.axb5 in its line.
Just did let SF dev. and Crystal play out after 2...Qxb4+(?!) with 15 threads of 16x3.5GHz CPU, 8G hash, 6men tbs each and 25'+5" two games with colours reversed:
SF- Crystal:
[pgn][Event "AMD, Schnellschach 25.0min+5.0sek"]
[Site "Dort"]
[Date "2022.11.09"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Stockfish 231022"]
[Black "Crystal 5 KWK"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Annotator "1.50;1.06"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4k3/4Pp1Q/3PpP1P/1Kpp4/P1B4P/5p2/RP1qnPr1/5nr1 b - - 0 2"]
[PlyCount "62"]
[TimeControl "1500+5"]

{AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor 3400 MHz W=66.8 plies; 17 661kN/s; 100 974 536 TBAs B=46.9 plies; 15 448kN/s; 117 365 217 TBAs} 2... Qb4+ {Beide letzter Buchzug} 3. Ka6 {1.50/54 62} Qxc4+ {1.06/45 118} 4. Kb7 {1.50/58 0} Qf4 {1.49/47 152} 5. Qd3 {1.36/59 0} Qxd6 {0.53/44 44} 6. Qb5+ {1.36/60 0} Qd7+ {0.92/48 112} 7. Ka8 {1.45/61 0} Qxb5 {0.49/46 42} 8. axb5 {1.88/54 2} Rg8 {0.56/47 64} 9. h7 {1.70/58 6} Kd7+ {0.34/44 33} 10. Kb7 {1.58/59 16} R1g4 {0.36/45 17} 11. h5 {1.58/66 36} Nd4 {0.40/46 26} 12. hxg8=Q {1.44/63 51 (hxg8L)} Rxg8 {0.36/45 31} 13. Ra8 {1.44/64 14} Rxa8 {0.21/45 34} 14. Kxa8 {1.44/63 7} Nxb5 {0.26/44 26} 15. h6 {1.44/66 26} Nc7+ {0.12/46 168} 16. Kb8 {1.37/66 0} Ne8 {0.33/46 110 (Se3)} 17. h7 {1.37/70 38} Ne3 {0.28/49 111 (Sh2)} 18. h8=Q {1.37/67 44} Ng4 {0.16/44 37} 19. Qh3 {1.37/68 0 (Dh5)} Ngxf6 {0.00/40 27} 20. Qxf3 {1.37/69 6} Kxe7 {0.00/43 11} 21. Qg3 {1.37/66 46 (Da3)} d4 {0.00/45 64} 22. Kb7 {1.37/70 0} Ne4 {0.00/48 19} 23. Qh4+ {1.37/70 39} Kd7 {0.04/49 11} 24. Kb6 {1.37/71 35} N8d6 {0.15/50 0} 25. f3 {1.37/71 37} Nc4+ {0.04/49 0 (Sc8+)} 26. Kb5 {1.37/71 36} Ncd6+ {0.05/49 0} 27. Ka4 {1.37/73 49} Nd2 {0.04/49 0} 28. b4 {1.36/73 104} Nf5 {0.00/53 0} 29. Qh2 {1.36/72 30 (Df4)} Nb1 {0.00/46 30} 30. bxc5 {1.36/72 11} Kc6 {0.00/48 16 (Sc3+)} 31. Kb3 {1.36/71 33 (Kb4)} Nc3 {0.00/47 20} 32. Kc4 {1.36/73 25 (Db8)} Nd1 {0.00/48 22} 33. Qb8 {1.36/72 61 (Kb4) Remis angenommen} 1/2-1/2
[/pgn]
And Crystal- SF:
[pgn][Event "AMD, Schnellschach 25.0min+5.0sek"]
[Site "Dort"]
[Date "2022.11.09"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Crystal 5 KWK"]
[Black "Stockfish 231022"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Annotator "1.26;1.54"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4k3/4Pp1Q/3PpP1P/1Kpp4/P1B4P/5p2/RP1qnPr1/5nr1 b - - 0 2"]
[PlyCount "53"]
[TimeControl "1500+5"]

{AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor 3400 MHz W=45.2 plies; 14 849kN/s; 68 987 468 TBAs B=56.5 plies; 16 582kN/s; 44 195 384 TBAs} 2... Qb4+ {Beide letzter Buchzug} 3. Ka6 {1.26/44 127} Qxc4+ {1.54/50 79} 4. Kb7 {1.36/45 0} Qf4 {1.53/54 35} 5. Qd3 {1.20/44 11} Qxd6 {1.54/53 21} 6. Qb5+ {1.52/42 17} Qd7+ {1.46/53 50} 7. Ka8 {0.99/47 148 (Ka6)} Qxb5 {1.46/61 36} 8. axb5 {0.85/43 4} Rg8 {1.38/59 32} 9. Kb7 {0.62/48 175 (h7)} Kd7 {1.37/61 30} 10. h7 {0.35/45 7} R1g4 {1.37/62 32} 11. h5 {0.36/45 2} Nd4 {1.37/66 32} 12. hxg8=R {0.85/47 83 (hxg8D)} Rxg8 {1.37/66 44} 13. Ra8 {0.92/44 0} Rxa8 {1.37/65 102} 14. Kxa8 {0.37/48 58} Nxb5 {1.37/63 0} 15. h6 {0.32/47 29} Nc7+ {1.34/58 1} 16. Kb8 {0.35/45 34 (Ka7)} Ng3 {1.07/47 46 (Se8)} 17. h7 {0.18/41 32} Ne4 {0.85/45 50 (Se8)} 18. h8=Q {0.00/43 87} Ne8 {1.37/60 0} 19. Qh3 {0.12/45 144 (Dh5)} N4xf6 {1.52/58 27} 20. Qxf3 {0.14/43 0} Kxe7 {1.52/62 28} 21. Kb7 {0.00/44 76 (Dg3)} Kd7 {0.82/36 31} 22. Qb3 {0.04/44 0} c4 {0.68/41 30} 23. Qa4+ {0.48/39 36} Kd6 {0.63/44 3} 24. Qa7 {0.00/42 27} Ng8 {0.63/46 4} 25. Kb6 {0.00/44 57} Ne7 {0.50/47 13} 26. Qb8+ {0.00/45 11 (Db7)} Kd7 {0.00/64 30} 27. b3 {0.00/49 0 (Db7+)} cxb3 {0.00/58 33} 28. Qa7+ {0.00/52 0} Kd6 {0.00/65 37 (Kd8) Remis angenommen} 1/2-1/2
[/pgn]
Peter.
Hobacle
Posts: 244
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Full name: Nott Q Suree

Re: Moves with questionable uniqueness

Post by Hobacle »

peter wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:43 pm Just did let SF dev. and Crystal play out after 2...Qxb4+(?!) with 15 threads of 16x3.5GHz CPU, 8G hash, 6men tbs each and 25'+5" two games with colours reversed:
SF- Crystal:
[pgn][Event "AMD, Schnellschach 25.0min+5.0sek"]
[Site "Dort"]
[Date "2022.11.09"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Stockfish 231022"]
[Black "Crystal 5 KWK"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Annotator "1.50;1.06"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4k3/4Pp1Q/3PpP1P/1Kpp4/P1B4P/5p2/RP1qnPr1/5nr1 b - - 0 2"]
[PlyCount "62"]
[TimeControl "1500+5"]

{AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor 3400 MHz W=66.8 plies; 17 661kN/s; 100 974 536 TBAs B=46.9 plies; 15 448kN/s; 117 365 217 TBAs} 2... Qb4+ {Beide letzter Buchzug} 3. Ka6 {1.50/54 62} Qxc4+ {1.06/45 118} 4. Kb7 {1.50/58 0} Qf4 {1.49/47 152} 5. Qd3 {1.36/59 0} Qxd6 {0.53/44 44} 6. Qb5+ {1.36/60 0} Qd7+ {0.92/48 112} 7. Ka8 {1.45/61 0} Qxb5 {0.49/46 42} 8. axb5 {1.88/54 2} Rg8 {0.56/47 64} 9. h7 {1.70/58 6} Kd7+ {0.34/44 33} 10. Kb7 {1.58/59 16} R1g4 {0.36/45 17} 11. h5 {1.58/66 36} Nd4 {0.40/46 26} 12. hxg8=Q {1.44/63 51 (hxg8L)} Rxg8 {0.36/45 31} 13. Ra8 {1.44/64 14} Rxa8 {0.21/45 34} 14. Kxa8 {1.44/63 7} Nxb5 {0.26/44 26} 15. h6 {1.44/66 26} Nc7+ {0.12/46 168} 16. Kb8 {1.37/66 0} Ne8 {0.33/46 110 (Se3)} 17. h7 {1.37/70 38} Ne3 {0.28/49 111 (Sh2)} 18. h8=Q {1.37/67 44} Ng4 {0.16/44 37} 19. Qh3 {1.37/68 0 (Dh5)} Ngxf6 {0.00/40 27} 20. Qxf3 {1.37/69 6} Kxe7 {0.00/43 11} 21. Qg3 {1.37/66 46 (Da3)} d4 {0.00/45 64} 22. Kb7 {1.37/70 0} Ne4 {0.00/48 19} 23. Qh4+ {1.37/70 39} Kd7 {0.04/49 11} 24. Kb6 {1.37/71 35} N8d6 {0.15/50 0} 25. f3 {1.37/71 37} Nc4+ {0.04/49 0 (Sc8+)} 26. Kb5 {1.37/71 36} Ncd6+ {0.05/49 0} 27. Ka4 {1.37/73 49} Nd2 {0.04/49 0} 28. b4 {1.36/73 104} Nf5 {0.00/53 0} 29. Qh2 {1.36/72 30 (Df4)} Nb1 {0.00/46 30} 30. bxc5 {1.36/72 11} Kc6 {0.00/48 16 (Sc3+)} 31. Kb3 {1.36/71 33 (Kb4)} Nc3 {0.00/47 20} 32. Kc4 {1.36/73 25 (Db8)} Nd1 {0.00/48 22} 33. Qb8 {1.36/72 61 (Kb4) Remis angenommen} 1/2-1/2
[/pgn]
And Crystal- SF:
[pgn][Event "AMD, Schnellschach 25.0min+5.0sek"]
[Site "Dort"]
[Date "2022.11.09"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Crystal 5 KWK"]
[Black "Stockfish 231022"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Annotator "1.26;1.54"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4k3/4Pp1Q/3PpP1P/1Kpp4/P1B4P/5p2/RP1qnPr1/5nr1 b - - 0 2"]
[PlyCount "53"]
[TimeControl "1500+5"]

{AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor 3400 MHz W=45.2 plies; 14 849kN/s; 68 987 468 TBAs B=56.5 plies; 16 582kN/s; 44 195 384 TBAs} 2... Qb4+ {Beide letzter Buchzug} 3. Ka6 {1.26/44 127} Qxc4+ {1.54/50 79} 4. Kb7 {1.36/45 0} Qf4 {1.53/54 35} 5. Qd3 {1.20/44 11} Qxd6 {1.54/53 21} 6. Qb5+ {1.52/42 17} Qd7+ {1.46/53 50} 7. Ka8 {0.99/47 148 (Ka6)} Qxb5 {1.46/61 36} 8. axb5 {0.85/43 4} Rg8 {1.38/59 32} 9. Kb7 {0.62/48 175 (h7)} Kd7 {1.37/61 30} 10. h7 {0.35/45 7} R1g4 {1.37/62 32} 11. h5 {0.36/45 2} Nd4 {1.37/66 32} 12. hxg8=R {0.85/47 83 (hxg8D)} Rxg8 {1.37/66 44} 13. Ra8 {0.92/44 0} Rxa8 {1.37/65 102} 14. Kxa8 {0.37/48 58} Nxb5 {1.37/63 0} 15. h6 {0.32/47 29} Nc7+ {1.34/58 1} 16. Kb8 {0.35/45 34 (Ka7)} Ng3 {1.07/47 46 (Se8)} 17. h7 {0.18/41 32} Ne4 {0.85/45 50 (Se8)} 18. h8=Q {0.00/43 87} Ne8 {1.37/60 0} 19. Qh3 {0.12/45 144 (Dh5)} N4xf6 {1.52/58 27} 20. Qxf3 {0.14/43 0} Kxe7 {1.52/62 28} 21. Kb7 {0.00/44 76 (Dg3)} Kd7 {0.82/36 31} 22. Qb3 {0.04/44 0} c4 {0.68/41 30} 23. Qa4+ {0.48/39 36} Kd6 {0.63/44 3} 24. Qa7 {0.00/42 27} Ng8 {0.63/46 4} 25. Kb6 {0.00/44 57} Ne7 {0.50/47 13} 26. Qb8+ {0.00/45 11 (Db7)} Kd7 {0.00/64 30} 27. b3 {0.00/49 0 (Db7+)} cxb3 {0.00/58 33} 28. Qa7+ {0.00/52 0} Kd6 {0.00/65 37 (Kd8) Remis angenommen} 1/2-1/2
[/pgn]
Thank you for them very much! So 2...Rg8 isn't the only move to draw. That's a bit sad. Here's the full study:
[pgn]
[FEN "4k3/4Pp1Q/3PpP1P/K1pp4/P4q1P/1B3p2/RP1RnPr1/5nr1 w - - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]

1. Bc4!! (1. d7+? Kxd7 2. Qxf7 Qc7+ $10) (1. Rxd5? exd5 2. d7+ (2. Bxd5? Qd2+ $19) 2... Kxd7 3. Qxf7 Qc7+ $10) (1. Qd3? Qb4+ 2. Ka6 Nd4 3. h7 (3. Bxd5 exd5 4. h7 Qb8 $10) (3. Qc3!? Nxd2 4. Qxb4 cxb4 5. Ra1 Rxa1 6. h7 Rag1 7. h8=Q+ Rg8 8. Qh6 Ne4!! 9. Qf8+ Rxf8 10. d7+ Kxd7 11. exf8=Q Nd6 12. Kb6 Nc6 13. h5 Nc8+ 14. Kc5 Rc1+ 15. Kb5 Nd6+ 16. Kb6 Nc8+ 17. Ka6 Nd6 18. h6 Kc7 19. h7 Rh1 20. h8=Q Rxh8 21. Qxh8 Nb8+ 22. Ka7 Nc8+ 23. Ka8 Nb6+ 24. Ka7 Nc8+ $10) 3... Qb8 4. h8=Q+ Rg8 5. Qdh7 Qxd6+ $10) 1... Qxd2+ (1... Qxc4 2. d7+ Kxd7 3. Qxf7 Qb4+ 4. Ka6 $18) (1... dxc4?! 2. d7#) 2. b4! (2. Ka6?? dxc4 $19) (2. Kb6?? dxc4 $19) (2. Kb5? Rg8 $10) 2... Qxb4+ 3. Ka6 Qxc4+ (3... Nd4 4. Bb5+ Nxb5 5. axb5 $18) 4. Kb7 Qxa2 5. Qb1! Qxa4 6. Qb6 Qd7+ 7. Ka8 (7. Ka6?! Qa4+ 8. Kb7 Qd7+) (7. Qc7? Nd4! 8. Qxd7+ Kxd7 9. e8=Q+ Kxe8 10. Kc8 Kf8 11. h7 e5 $10) 7... Qc8+ (7... Qa4+?! 8. Kb8 Qd7 9. Qa6 Rg6 10. Qc8+ Qxc8+ 11. Kxc8 Rxf6 12. d7+ Kxe7 13. d8=Q#) 8. Qb8 Qxb8+ 9. Kxb8 Kd7 10. e8=Q+ Kxd6 (10... Kxe8?! 11. Kc7 Kf8 12. h7 $18) 11. h7 $18 *
[/pgn]

Then, other moves?
peter
Posts: 3484
Joined: Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:38 am
Full name: Peter Martan

Re: Moves with questionable uniqueness

Post by peter »

Hobacle wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:15 pm
peter wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:44 pm 5q2/1K2ppNp/7k/P6P/8/3N2P1/BB6/5n2 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Crystal 5 KWK:

1. +- (2.29): 1.Be6 Ne3 2.Ne5 fxe6 3.Bc1 Qxg7 4.Bxe3+ Kxh5 5.g4+ Kh4 6.Bf2+ Kh3 7.Bd4 Qf8 8.a6 Qf4 9.Nc6 e5 10.Bb6 Kxg4 11.a7 Qa4 12.Nxe5+ Kf4 13.Nd3+ Kf5 14.Nc5 Qa2 15.a8Q Qxa8+ 16.Kxa8 h5 17.Bc7 h4 18.Nd3 Ke4 19.Ne5 h3 20.Ng4 e5 21.Kb7 Kd5 22.Bxe5 Ke4 23.Bc7 h2 24.Nxh2

2. +/= (0.32): 1.Nf5+ Kg5 2.a6 Qd8 3.Nd4 Qd7+ 4.Kb6 Qd8+ 5.Kb5 Nxg3 6.Nb4 Ne4 7.Bd5 Nd6+ 8.Ka4 Qd7+ 9.Bc6 Qd8 10.Bf3 Nc8 11.Bc1+ Kh4 12.Be3 e5 13.Nb5 Qd7 14.Bf2+ Kh3 15.a7 Nxa7 16.Bxa7 f5 17.Bd5 Qe8 18.h6 e4 19.Bc6 Qg6 20.Bc5 Kg3 21.Kb3 Qxh6 22.Nd4 Qh5 23.Nd5 Qd1+ 24.Kb4 Qb1+ 25.Kc3 Qd3+ 26.Kb2

1.Be5 Ne3

5q2/1K2ppNp/4B2k/P6P/8/3Nn1P1/1B6/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Crystal 5 KWK:

1. +- (2.32): 2.Ne5 fxe6 3.Bc1 Qxg7 4.Bxe3+ Kxh5 5.g4+ Kh4 6.Bf2+ Kh3 7.Bd4 Qf6 8.a6 Qf4 9.Nc6 e5 10.Bb6 Qxg4 11.a7 Qa4 12.Nxe5 Qa1 13.Nc6 h5 14.a8Q Qxa8+ 15.Kxa8 h4 16.Bc7 Kg2 17.Ne5 h3 18.Ng4 h2 19.Nxh2 e5 20.Bxe5 Kf2 21.Kb7 Ke3 22.Kc6 Ke4 23.Kd6 Kf5 24.Kd5 Kg5 25.Ke4 Kg6 26.Ng4 Kf7 27.Kd5 Ke7 28.Ne3 Kd7 29.Bg3 Ke8

2. +/- (0.93): 2.g4 Nxg4 3.Bxg4 Qd8 4.Nf5+ Kg5 5.Nd4 Qxa5 6.Be2 Kh6 7.Bf3 e6 8.Bc6 Qa2 9.Kb6 Kxh5 10.Nf3 Qb3+ 11.Bb5 Kg6 12.Nfe5+ Kf6 13.Nd7+ Kf5 14.N7c5 Qd5 15.Kc7 h5 16.Bc6 Qa2 17.Kd7 h4 18.Ke8 h3 19.Be4+ Kg4 20.Kxf7 e5+ 21.Kf6 Qg8 22.Bxe5 Qf8+ 23.Ke6 h2 24.Nd7 Qg8+ 25.Ke7 Qa2 26.Bd4 Qa3+ 27.N7c5 Qa7+ 28.Kf6 Qb8 29.Be5 Qf8+ 30.Ke6

Not quite sure but probably yes (2.Ne5 winning only) too, regards
My main concern is 1.Be6 Ne3 2.g4 . After 2...Nxg4 3.Bxg4, the BBNNvQ endgame seems winning for White from my pov, although Black has some extra pawns.
This time you might be right, even if Crystal went out of time in reversed game coming too near to 50 moves rule and game got adjucated drawn.
Same pairing and hardware- TC like with second one position, this time started from 1.Be6 Ne3 2.g4 Nxg4, both games of reversed colours in one .pgn:
[pgn][Event "AMD, Schnellschach 25.0min+5.0sek"]
[Site "Dort"]
[Date "2022.11.10"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Stockfish 231022"]
[Black "Crystal 5 KWK"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Annotator "1.80;1.24"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "5q2/1K2ppNp/7k/P6P/8/3N2P1/BB6/5n2 w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "131"]
[TimeControl "1500+5"]

{AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor 3400 MHz W=46.7 plies; 14 489kN/s; 187 868 292 TBAs B=30.2 plies; 12 450kN/s; 466 480 845 TBAs 1.29;1.15: 'AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor 3400 MHz W=24.4 plies; 12 597kN/s; 391 439 239 TBAs B=43.6 plies; 14 087kN/s; 180 695 860 TBAs '} 1. Be6 Ne3 2. g4 Nxg4 3. Bxg4 {Beide letzter Buchzug} Qd8 {1.24/36 67} 4. Nf5+ {1.80/42 65} Kg5 {0.73/36 2} 5. Nd4 {1.96/39 28} Qxa5 {0.73/38 10} 6. Be2 {1.60/44 54} Qd5+ {0.82/40 109 (Kh6)} 7. Kb6 {1.21/44 88} Kh6 {0.51/36 0} 8. Nb4 {1.29/43 67} Qg5 {0.80/40 20} (8... Qe4 {1.35/50 24 (Dg5)} 9. Bd3 {0.82/34 19 (Kc5)} Qe3 {1.44/42 86} 10. Kb5 {0.81/37 4} e6 {1.58/44 166 (Dd2)} 11. Kc4 {1.01/30 50} Qf4 {1.68/41 17} 12. Kb3 {1.09/31 2} Kxh5 {1.36/38 25} 13. Bc3 {0.87/34 30} Kh6 {1.27/44 42 (h6)} 14. Bc2 {0.96/36 102} Qg3 {1.70/46 19} 15. Kb2 {0.82/37 221} Qb8 {1.91/49 0} 16. Ndc6 {1.21/39 179} Qg8 {1.49/48 38} 17. Ne5 {1.24/38 0} Kg5 {2.12/45 103} 18. Nf3+ {1.20/39 48} Kf4 {2.13/45 11} 19. Bd1 {1.29/39 70} h5 {1.93/49 0 (Dd8)} 20. Nd3+ {1.44/31 19} Kf5 {2.55/43 201} 21. Be2 {1.54/38 0} Qd8 {2.55/56 112 (Da8)} 22. Kc2 {1.55/37 19} Qd5 {2.56/43 0} 23. Kc1 {1.61/36 16} Qa2 {2.71/43 12} 24. Nb4 {1.58/36 5} Qa5 {2.77/43 17} 25. Kd2 {1.62/38 23} Qb6 {2.68/45 0} 26. Nc2 {1.62/40 25} Kf4 {2.70/46 0} 27. Be5+ {1.55/37 15} Ke4 {2.61/48 10} 28. Bd4 {1.55/38 6} Qd8 {2.72/45 22} 29. Ke1 {1.64/39 1} Kd5 {2.70/46 25} 30. Ne3+ {1.62/39 0} Kd6 {2.90/40 26} 31. Nf1 {1.65/38 0} Kd7 {2.87/52 38} 32. Be3 {1.72/37 0 (Kf2)} Qb8 {2.87/47 21 (Ke8)} 33. Kf2 {1.80/36 20} Qh8 {2.87/49 27 (Dd8)} 34. Bg5 {1.76/37 17} Ke8 {3.18/55 79} 35. Ng3 {1.83/40 0} Kf8 {3.37/56 64} 36. Ne4 {1.84/37 0} Qb2 {3.37/59 17} 37. Be3 {1.87/39 63} h4 {3.56/52 0 (Dc2)} 38. Nxh4 {1.91/34 17} Kg8 {3.57/51 22 (De5)} 39. Nf3 {1.94/31 17} Qb1 {3.57/50 3 (Dc2)} 40. Nc3 {2.05/31 19 (Sg3)} Qb7 {3.60/53 23 (Df5)} 41. Bd4 {2.15/34 42 (Sd1)} Kf8 {3.57/49 16 (Dc7)} 42. Ke3 {2.50/31 14 (Sd1)} Qe7 {4.00/45 46 (Kg8)} 43. Ne5 {2.50/31 37 (Se4)} Qa3 {3.78/44 52 (Kg8)} 44. Bh5 {2.56/32 34 (Sd7+)} Qc1+ {3.78/43 15} 45. Kd3 {2.57/34 14} Qf1+ {3.60/47 4} 46. Be2 {2.38/34 19} Qh3+ {3.78/43 5 (Dg2)} 47. Kc4 {2.35/27 105} Qh4 {3.70/50 0 (Kg7)} 48. Kc5 {2.02/19 25 (Ld3)} Qe7+ {3.66/35 19 (Dg5)} 49. Kc6 {2.10/18 3} Kg7 {4.23/51 117 (Dd8)} 50. Nb5 {1.28/15 10} Qe8+ {4.23/49 26 (Dd8)} 51. Kc7 {1.08/13 6 (Kd6)} Qa8 {4.25/41 12 (Kf6)} 52. Nd6 {1.60/16 6} Qa5+ {4.50/47 55} 53. Kc8 {1.24/12 0 (Kd7)} Qa4 {4.01/36 9 (Da8+)} 54. Nec4+ {1.62/15 9} Kf8 {4.23/42 10 (Kh7)} 55. Bf3 {1.93/16 6} Ke7 {4.37/40 1} 56. Kc7 {1.66/15 0} Qd7+ {4.50/40 21} 57. Kb6 {1.81/21 0} Qd8+ {4.51/38 6} 58. Kb5 {1.63/21 7} Qd7+ {4.51/46 0 (Db8+)} 59. Bc6 {1.79/19 12} Qd8 {4.51/52 0 (Dc7)} 60. Ne5 {2.24/17 6} Qb8+ {4.51/46 0} 61. Nb7 {1.98/14 4} Qa8 {4.51/49 36 (Dg8)} 62. Nd7 {1.53/13 6 (Kb6)} e5 {4.83/41 3} 63. Nd6 {1.29/13 2 (Sbc5)} Qa2 {4.20/34 3} 64. Bc5 {1.21/12 4 (Lxe5)} Qb1+ {4.20/33 3} 65. Ka6 {1.33/13 5 (Ka5)} f5 {4.19/38 5} 66. Bb5 {1.26/14 3 (Sxf5+)} Qa1+ {4.19/39 12 (e4)} 67. Kb7 {1.38/13 10 (Kb6)} f4 {4.00/33 3 (e4)} 68. Kc7 {0.83/10 6 (Lc6)} Qa5+ {4.06/37 4} 69. Bb6 {1.34/17 0 (Kb7)} Qb4 {4.09/41 4} 70. Nc5 {1.00/15 6 (Lc5)} e4 {3.91/37 3} 71. Ncxe4 {1.04/17 6} Ke6 {4.00/38 1} 72. Bc4+ {2.07/20 7 (Lc6)} Ke5 {3.71/31 4} 73. Bf2 {2.49/23 3 (Sc5)} Qa5+ {4.00/31 6 (f3)} 74. Kd7 {1.87/17 4} Qa4+ {4.06/35 2 (f3)} 75. Ke7 {2.32/17 5 (Lb5)} Qc6 {4.08/39 5} 76. Bd3 {1.87/16 5 (Lb5)} Qc7+ {4.26/26 4} 77. Kf8 {1.60/15 5} Kd5 {4.29/38 6 (Ke6)} 78. Ne8 {1.65/13 10 (Lc4+)} Qc8 {3.98/35 11 (Db8)} 79. Nc5 {1.47/17 6 (Ke7)} Qb8 {4.18/33 3} 80. Kf7 {1.52/18 3 (Ke7)} Kc6 {4.24/31 4} 81. Nf6 {1.37/15 0} Qb2 {4.30/37 8 (f3)} 82. Ng4 {1.52/15 11 (Sfe4)} Qh8 {4.35/36 5} 83. Kg6 {0.57/10 1 (Sf6)} Qg8+ {4.20/43 20} 84. Kf5 {0.87/10 0} Qh7+ {4.21/32 2} 85. Kg5 {1.15/11 11 (Kxf4)} Qg8+ {4.29/32 2} 86. Kf5 {0.77/10 6} Qh7+ {4.26/37 0} 87. Kxf4 {1.34/11 6} Qf7+ {4.27/39 12 (Dh3)} 88. Bf5 {1.29/11 7} Kd5 {4.33/39 0 (Kb5)} 89. Nd3 {1.07/10 6 (Sd7)} Qf8 {4.35/32 3 (Kd6)} 90. Nde5 {0.65/9 5 (Lc5)} Qb4+ {4.03/37 4} 91. Kg5 {1.12/10 1 (Ke3)} Qd2+ {4.07/28 4 (De7+)} 92. Kf6 {0.93/9 8 (Le3)} Qc1 {4.16/37 5 (Dc3)} 93. Be3 {1.03/12 6 (Lb6)} Qc7 {3.90/35 4 (Dh1)} 94. Be6+ {0.46/11 6 (Lg6)} Ke4 {3.79/37 3} 95. Bf5+ {0.47/11 2} Kd5 {3.75/36 0} 96. Be6+ {0.16/10 7 (Lg6)} Ke4 {3.41/35 5} 97. Bd7 {0.04/11 1} Qd8+ {3.39/40 11} 98. Kg7 {0.00/12 0 (Kf7)} Qb8 {3.36/41 7 (Dh4)} 99. Ba4 {0.00/13 13 (Lc6+)} Qb4 {3.31/37 5 (Kf5)} 100. Bc6+ {0.00/11 3} Kf5 {3.33/36 0} 101. Nh6+ {0.00/16 9 (Kh6)} Kxe5 {0.00/140 7} 102. Bf3 {0.00/0 0} Qe7+ {0.00/0 0 Remis angenommen ½-½ (102) Crystal 5 KWK-Stockfish 231022 Dort 2022 [1.29;1.15]}) 9. Bc4 {1.21/42 60} Qf4 {0.74/37 122} 10. Nd3 {1.33/43 0} Qb8+ {0.75/38 90} 11. Kc5 {1.25/41 5 (Ka5)} Qd6+ {0.87/36 21} 12. Kb5 {1.08/40 1} Qb8+ {0.73/35 35} 13. Ka4 {1.04/46 50} e6 {0.85/38 202 (Da8+)} 14. Nc6 {1.40/40 22} Qa8+ {0.83/34 3 (Db7)} 15. Kb5 {1.74/38 30} Kxh5 {1.01/37 34 (Db7+)} 16. Kb6 {2.08/34 29} Kh4 {1.16/39 213} 17. Bf6+ {2.29/45 27} Kg3 {1.38/34 15} 18. Be5+ {2.50/36 17} Kf3 {1.46/35 44} 19. Bd6 {2.66/38 18} Qg8 {1.32/36 101} 20. Nf4 {2.75/40 0} Ke3 {1.40/36 90} 21. Be2 {2.84/39 2} Qg7 {1.53/35 115 (Dc8)} 22. Bd1 {2.93/39 33} Kd2 {1.51/35 0} 23. Bh5 {2.95/39 29} Kc2 {1.58/37 31 (Ke3)} 24. Be5 {3.06/38 28} Qf8 {1.55/37 0} 25. Bf3 {2.97/51 78 (Lg4)} Kd2 {1.51/35 13 (Kc1)} 26. Nh5 {3.37/39 26 (Lh5)} Qa3 {1.99/36 80} 27. Nd4 {3.40/53 0} Qb4+ {1.99/35 36} 28. Kc6 {3.40/56 15} Qa4+ {2.00/33 14} 29. Kd6 {3.40/52 16} Qe8 {2.00/33 0} 30. Nc6 {3.40/65 210 (Kc5)} Ke3 {1.94/32 12} 31. Bg4 {3.40/62 36} Qf8+ {1.92/35 0} 32. Kd7 {3.40/62 250} f5 {2.06/40 0} 33. Bd4+ {3.60/50 58} Kd2 {2.13/35 70 (Ke4)} 34. Bf3 {3.60/57 74} Qa3 {2.24/40 0 (e5)} 35. Bg2 {3.60/59 14} f4 {2.24/40 0} 36. Nxf4 {3.60/59 18 (Se5)} Qf8 {2.00/33 104} 37. Be5 {3.60/56 0} h5 {1.30/19 4 (Df7+)} 38. Kxe6 {3.82/51 15 (Sd4)} h4 {1.35/18 26 (Kc1)} 39. Ne7 {4.06/49 135} h3 {1.53/19 0} 40. Bxh3 {4.06/49 82} Qh6+ {1.52/12 0} 41. Kf5 {4.33/47 5} Kc2 {1.26/15 12 (Dh7+)} 42. Ned5 {4.33/36 4 (Seg6)} Kb3 {0.97/12 11} 43. Kg4 {4.33/40 0} Ka4 {0.12/8 6 (Dh7)} 44. Nc3+ {6.59/36 24} Ka5 {0.40/11 0} 45. Bg2 {6.77/28 2} Qh2 {0.99/11 7 (Dh7)} 46. Bd5 {8.93/25 2 (Kf3)} Qg1+ {0.46/9 7 (Df2)} 47. Kf3 {12.81/22 3} Qf1+ {0.47/8 2 (Dg5)} 48. Ke4 {152.31/36 6 (Ke3)} Qf2 {0.56/10 8 (Dh1+)} 49. Bc7+ {152.51/54 3 (Kd3)} Ka6 {0.49/10 6} 50. Ne6 {152.53/55 12 (Kd3)} Qh4+ {99.66/29 5} 51. Kd3 {152.54/57 0} Qf2 {99.66/32 3 (Db4)} 52. Kc4 {152.56/56 4} Qf1+ {99.68/32 0} 53. Kb4 {152.57/55 6 (Kb3)} Qb5+ {99.76/30 10} 54. Ka3 {152.58/56 3} Qf1 {99.80/33 4} 55. Nc5+ {152.59/57 5} Ka7 {99.82/33 0} 56. N5e4 {152.61/51 18 (Kb4)} Qa1+ {99.82/29 7 (Dg1)} 57. Kb3 {#21/53 5} Qe1 {99.86/31 5 (Dc1)} 58. Nd6 {#20/50 3} Qe3 {99.88/28 0} 59. Bc6 {#19/50 5 (Kb4)} Ka6 {99.92/26 4} 60. Bb5+ {#18/48 3} Ka7 {99.94/26 0} 61. Bb6+ {#17/48 5} Kxb6 {99.96/25 0} 62. Nc4+ {1/1 0} Kc5 {1/0 0} 63. Nxe3 {7/1 0} Kd6 {7/1 0} 64. Ned5 {6/0 0} Ke6 {6/1 0} 65. Be8 {5/1 0} Ke5 {5/0 0} 66. Bd7 {4/1 0} 1-0
/pgn][/pgn]
Peter.
Hobacle
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Re: Moves with questionable uniqueness

Post by Hobacle »

peter wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:29 pm
Hobacle wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:15 pm
peter wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:44 pm 5q2/1K2ppNp/7k/P6P/8/3N2P1/BB6/5n2 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Crystal 5 KWK:

1. +- (2.29): 1.Be6 Ne3 2.Ne5 fxe6 3.Bc1 Qxg7 4.Bxe3+ Kxh5 5.g4+ Kh4 6.Bf2+ Kh3 7.Bd4 Qf8 8.a6 Qf4 9.Nc6 e5 10.Bb6 Kxg4 11.a7 Qa4 12.Nxe5+ Kf4 13.Nd3+ Kf5 14.Nc5 Qa2 15.a8Q Qxa8+ 16.Kxa8 h5 17.Bc7 h4 18.Nd3 Ke4 19.Ne5 h3 20.Ng4 e5 21.Kb7 Kd5 22.Bxe5 Ke4 23.Bc7 h2 24.Nxh2

2. +/= (0.32): 1.Nf5+ Kg5 2.a6 Qd8 3.Nd4 Qd7+ 4.Kb6 Qd8+ 5.Kb5 Nxg3 6.Nb4 Ne4 7.Bd5 Nd6+ 8.Ka4 Qd7+ 9.Bc6 Qd8 10.Bf3 Nc8 11.Bc1+ Kh4 12.Be3 e5 13.Nb5 Qd7 14.Bf2+ Kh3 15.a7 Nxa7 16.Bxa7 f5 17.Bd5 Qe8 18.h6 e4 19.Bc6 Qg6 20.Bc5 Kg3 21.Kb3 Qxh6 22.Nd4 Qh5 23.Nd5 Qd1+ 24.Kb4 Qb1+ 25.Kc3 Qd3+ 26.Kb2

1.Be5 Ne3

5q2/1K2ppNp/4B2k/P6P/8/3Nn1P1/1B6/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Crystal 5 KWK:

1. +- (2.32): 2.Ne5 fxe6 3.Bc1 Qxg7 4.Bxe3+ Kxh5 5.g4+ Kh4 6.Bf2+ Kh3 7.Bd4 Qf6 8.a6 Qf4 9.Nc6 e5 10.Bb6 Qxg4 11.a7 Qa4 12.Nxe5 Qa1 13.Nc6 h5 14.a8Q Qxa8+ 15.Kxa8 h4 16.Bc7 Kg2 17.Ne5 h3 18.Ng4 h2 19.Nxh2 e5 20.Bxe5 Kf2 21.Kb7 Ke3 22.Kc6 Ke4 23.Kd6 Kf5 24.Kd5 Kg5 25.Ke4 Kg6 26.Ng4 Kf7 27.Kd5 Ke7 28.Ne3 Kd7 29.Bg3 Ke8

2. +/- (0.93): 2.g4 Nxg4 3.Bxg4 Qd8 4.Nf5+ Kg5 5.Nd4 Qxa5 6.Be2 Kh6 7.Bf3 e6 8.Bc6 Qa2 9.Kb6 Kxh5 10.Nf3 Qb3+ 11.Bb5 Kg6 12.Nfe5+ Kf6 13.Nd7+ Kf5 14.N7c5 Qd5 15.Kc7 h5 16.Bc6 Qa2 17.Kd7 h4 18.Ke8 h3 19.Be4+ Kg4 20.Kxf7 e5+ 21.Kf6 Qg8 22.Bxe5 Qf8+ 23.Ke6 h2 24.Nd7 Qg8+ 25.Ke7 Qa2 26.Bd4 Qa3+ 27.N7c5 Qa7+ 28.Kf6 Qb8 29.Be5 Qf8+ 30.Ke6

Not quite sure but probably yes (2.Ne5 winning only) too, regards
My main concern is 1.Be6 Ne3 2.g4 . After 2...Nxg4 3.Bxg4, the BBNNvQ endgame seems winning for White from my pov, although Black has some extra pawns.
This time you might be right, even if Crystal went out of time in reversed game coming too near to 50 moves rule and game got adjucated drawn.
Same pairing and hardware- TC like with second one position, this time started from 1.Be6 Ne3 2.g4 Nxg4, both games of reversed colours in one .pgn:
[pgn][Event "AMD, Schnellschach 25.0min+5.0sek"]
[Site "Dort"]
[Date "2022.11.10"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Stockfish 231022"]
[Black "Crystal 5 KWK"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Annotator "1.80;1.24"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "5q2/1K2ppNp/7k/P6P/8/3N2P1/BB6/5n2 w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "131"]
[TimeControl "1500+5"]

{AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor 3400 MHz W=46.7 plies; 14 489kN/s; 187 868 292 TBAs B=30.2 plies; 12 450kN/s; 466 480 845 TBAs 1.29;1.15: 'AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor 3400 MHz W=24.4 plies; 12 597kN/s; 391 439 239 TBAs B=43.6 plies; 14 087kN/s; 180 695 860 TBAs '} 1. Be6 Ne3 2. g4 Nxg4 3. Bxg4 {Beide letzter Buchzug} Qd8 {1.24/36 67} 4. Nf5+ {1.80/42 65} Kg5 {0.73/36 2} 5. Nd4 {1.96/39 28} Qxa5 {0.73/38 10} 6. Be2 {1.60/44 54} Qd5+ {0.82/40 109 (Kh6)} 7. Kb6 {1.21/44 88} Kh6 {0.51/36 0} 8. Nb4 {1.29/43 67} Qg5 {0.80/40 20} (8... Qe4 {1.35/50 24 (Dg5)} 9. Bd3 {0.82/34 19 (Kc5)} Qe3 {1.44/42 86} 10. Kb5 {0.81/37 4} e6 {1.58/44 166 (Dd2)} 11. Kc4 {1.01/30 50} Qf4 {1.68/41 17} 12. Kb3 {1.09/31 2} Kxh5 {1.36/38 25} 13. Bc3 {0.87/34 30} Kh6 {1.27/44 42 (h6)} 14. Bc2 {0.96/36 102} Qg3 {1.70/46 19} 15. Kb2 {0.82/37 221} Qb8 {1.91/49 0} 16. Ndc6 {1.21/39 179} Qg8 {1.49/48 38} 17. Ne5 {1.24/38 0} Kg5 {2.12/45 103} 18. Nf3+ {1.20/39 48} Kf4 {2.13/45 11} 19. Bd1 {1.29/39 70} h5 {1.93/49 0 (Dd8)} 20. Nd3+ {1.44/31 19} Kf5 {2.55/43 201} 21. Be2 {1.54/38 0} Qd8 {2.55/56 112 (Da8)} 22. Kc2 {1.55/37 19} Qd5 {2.56/43 0} 23. Kc1 {1.61/36 16} Qa2 {2.71/43 12} 24. Nb4 {1.58/36 5} Qa5 {2.77/43 17} 25. Kd2 {1.62/38 23} Qb6 {2.68/45 0} 26. Nc2 {1.62/40 25} Kf4 {2.70/46 0} 27. Be5+ {1.55/37 15} Ke4 {2.61/48 10} 28. Bd4 {1.55/38 6} Qd8 {2.72/45 22} 29. Ke1 {1.64/39 1} Kd5 {2.70/46 25} 30. Ne3+ {1.62/39 0} Kd6 {2.90/40 26} 31. Nf1 {1.65/38 0} Kd7 {2.87/52 38} 32. Be3 {1.72/37 0 (Kf2)} Qb8 {2.87/47 21 (Ke8)} 33. Kf2 {1.80/36 20} Qh8 {2.87/49 27 (Dd8)} 34. Bg5 {1.76/37 17} Ke8 {3.18/55 79} 35. Ng3 {1.83/40 0} Kf8 {3.37/56 64} 36. Ne4 {1.84/37 0} Qb2 {3.37/59 17} 37. Be3 {1.87/39 63} h4 {3.56/52 0 (Dc2)} 38. Nxh4 {1.91/34 17} Kg8 {3.57/51 22 (De5)} 39. Nf3 {1.94/31 17} Qb1 {3.57/50 3 (Dc2)} 40. Nc3 {2.05/31 19 (Sg3)} Qb7 {3.60/53 23 (Df5)} 41. Bd4 {2.15/34 42 (Sd1)} Kf8 {3.57/49 16 (Dc7)} 42. Ke3 {2.50/31 14 (Sd1)} Qe7 {4.00/45 46 (Kg8)} 43. Ne5 {2.50/31 37 (Se4)} Qa3 {3.78/44 52 (Kg8)} 44. Bh5 {2.56/32 34 (Sd7+)} Qc1+ {3.78/43 15} 45. Kd3 {2.57/34 14} Qf1+ {3.60/47 4} 46. Be2 {2.38/34 19} Qh3+ {3.78/43 5 (Dg2)} 47. Kc4 {2.35/27 105} Qh4 {3.70/50 0 (Kg7)} 48. Kc5 {2.02/19 25 (Ld3)} Qe7+ {3.66/35 19 (Dg5)} 49. Kc6 {2.10/18 3} Kg7 {4.23/51 117 (Dd8)} 50. Nb5 {1.28/15 10} Qe8+ {4.23/49 26 (Dd8)} 51. Kc7 {1.08/13 6 (Kd6)} Qa8 {4.25/41 12 (Kf6)} 52. Nd6 {1.60/16 6} Qa5+ {4.50/47 55} 53. Kc8 {1.24/12 0 (Kd7)} Qa4 {4.01/36 9 (Da8+)} 54. Nec4+ {1.62/15 9} Kf8 {4.23/42 10 (Kh7)} 55. Bf3 {1.93/16 6} Ke7 {4.37/40 1} 56. Kc7 {1.66/15 0} Qd7+ {4.50/40 21} 57. Kb6 {1.81/21 0} Qd8+ {4.51/38 6} 58. Kb5 {1.63/21 7} Qd7+ {4.51/46 0 (Db8+)} 59. Bc6 {1.79/19 12} Qd8 {4.51/52 0 (Dc7)} 60. Ne5 {2.24/17 6} Qb8+ {4.51/46 0} 61. Nb7 {1.98/14 4} Qa8 {4.51/49 36 (Dg8)} 62. Nd7 {1.53/13 6 (Kb6)} e5 {4.83/41 3} 63. Nd6 {1.29/13 2 (Sbc5)} Qa2 {4.20/34 3} 64. Bc5 {1.21/12 4 (Lxe5)} Qb1+ {4.20/33 3} 65. Ka6 {1.33/13 5 (Ka5)} f5 {4.19/38 5} 66. Bb5 {1.26/14 3 (Sxf5+)} Qa1+ {4.19/39 12 (e4)} 67. Kb7 {1.38/13 10 (Kb6)} f4 {4.00/33 3 (e4)} 68. Kc7 {0.83/10 6 (Lc6)} Qa5+ {4.06/37 4} 69. Bb6 {1.34/17 0 (Kb7)} Qb4 {4.09/41 4} 70. Nc5 {1.00/15 6 (Lc5)} e4 {3.91/37 3} 71. Ncxe4 {1.04/17 6} Ke6 {4.00/38 1} 72. Bc4+ {2.07/20 7 (Lc6)} Ke5 {3.71/31 4} 73. Bf2 {2.49/23 3 (Sc5)} Qa5+ {4.00/31 6 (f3)} 74. Kd7 {1.87/17 4} Qa4+ {4.06/35 2 (f3)} 75. Ke7 {2.32/17 5 (Lb5)} Qc6 {4.08/39 5} 76. Bd3 {1.87/16 5 (Lb5)} Qc7+ {4.26/26 4} 77. Kf8 {1.60/15 5} Kd5 {4.29/38 6 (Ke6)} 78. Ne8 {1.65/13 10 (Lc4+)} Qc8 {3.98/35 11 (Db8)} 79. Nc5 {1.47/17 6 (Ke7)} Qb8 {4.18/33 3} 80. Kf7 {1.52/18 3 (Ke7)} Kc6 {4.24/31 4} 81. Nf6 {1.37/15 0} Qb2 {4.30/37 8 (f3)} 82. Ng4 {1.52/15 11 (Sfe4)} Qh8 {4.35/36 5} 83. Kg6 {0.57/10 1 (Sf6)} Qg8+ {4.20/43 20} 84. Kf5 {0.87/10 0} Qh7+ {4.21/32 2} 85. Kg5 {1.15/11 11 (Kxf4)} Qg8+ {4.29/32 2} 86. Kf5 {0.77/10 6} Qh7+ {4.26/37 0} 87. Kxf4 {1.34/11 6} Qf7+ {4.27/39 12 (Dh3)} 88. Bf5 {1.29/11 7} Kd5 {4.33/39 0 (Kb5)} 89. Nd3 {1.07/10 6 (Sd7)} Qf8 {4.35/32 3 (Kd6)} 90. Nde5 {0.65/9 5 (Lc5)} Qb4+ {4.03/37 4} 91. Kg5 {1.12/10 1 (Ke3)} Qd2+ {4.07/28 4 (De7+)} 92. Kf6 {0.93/9 8 (Le3)} Qc1 {4.16/37 5 (Dc3)} 93. Be3 {1.03/12 6 (Lb6)} Qc7 {3.90/35 4 (Dh1)} 94. Be6+ {0.46/11 6 (Lg6)} Ke4 {3.79/37 3} 95. Bf5+ {0.47/11 2} Kd5 {3.75/36 0} 96. Be6+ {0.16/10 7 (Lg6)} Ke4 {3.41/35 5} 97. Bd7 {0.04/11 1} Qd8+ {3.39/40 11} 98. Kg7 {0.00/12 0 (Kf7)} Qb8 {3.36/41 7 (Dh4)} 99. Ba4 {0.00/13 13 (Lc6+)} Qb4 {3.31/37 5 (Kf5)} 100. Bc6+ {0.00/11 3} Kf5 {3.33/36 0} 101. Nh6+ {0.00/16 9 (Kh6)} Kxe5 {0.00/140 7} 102. Bf3 {0.00/0 0} Qe7+ {0.00/0 0 Remis angenommen ½-½ (102) Crystal 5 KWK-Stockfish 231022 Dort 2022 [1.29;1.15]}) 9. Bc4 {1.21/42 60} Qf4 {0.74/37 122} 10. Nd3 {1.33/43 0} Qb8+ {0.75/38 90} 11. Kc5 {1.25/41 5 (Ka5)} Qd6+ {0.87/36 21} 12. Kb5 {1.08/40 1} Qb8+ {0.73/35 35} 13. Ka4 {1.04/46 50} e6 {0.85/38 202 (Da8+)} 14. Nc6 {1.40/40 22} Qa8+ {0.83/34 3 (Db7)} 15. Kb5 {1.74/38 30} Kxh5 {1.01/37 34 (Db7+)} 16. Kb6 {2.08/34 29} Kh4 {1.16/39 213} 17. Bf6+ {2.29/45 27} Kg3 {1.38/34 15} 18. Be5+ {2.50/36 17} Kf3 {1.46/35 44} 19. Bd6 {2.66/38 18} Qg8 {1.32/36 101} 20. Nf4 {2.75/40 0} Ke3 {1.40/36 90} 21. Be2 {2.84/39 2} Qg7 {1.53/35 115 (Dc8)} 22. Bd1 {2.93/39 33} Kd2 {1.51/35 0} 23. Bh5 {2.95/39 29} Kc2 {1.58/37 31 (Ke3)} 24. Be5 {3.06/38 28} Qf8 {1.55/37 0} 25. Bf3 {2.97/51 78 (Lg4)} Kd2 {1.51/35 13 (Kc1)} 26. Nh5 {3.37/39 26 (Lh5)} Qa3 {1.99/36 80} 27. Nd4 {3.40/53 0} Qb4+ {1.99/35 36} 28. Kc6 {3.40/56 15} Qa4+ {2.00/33 14} 29. Kd6 {3.40/52 16} Qe8 {2.00/33 0} 30. Nc6 {3.40/65 210 (Kc5)} Ke3 {1.94/32 12} 31. Bg4 {3.40/62 36} Qf8+ {1.92/35 0} 32. Kd7 {3.40/62 250} f5 {2.06/40 0} 33. Bd4+ {3.60/50 58} Kd2 {2.13/35 70 (Ke4)} 34. Bf3 {3.60/57 74} Qa3 {2.24/40 0 (e5)} 35. Bg2 {3.60/59 14} f4 {2.24/40 0} 36. Nxf4 {3.60/59 18 (Se5)} Qf8 {2.00/33 104} 37. Be5 {3.60/56 0} h5 {1.30/19 4 (Df7+)} 38. Kxe6 {3.82/51 15 (Sd4)} h4 {1.35/18 26 (Kc1)} 39. Ne7 {4.06/49 135} h3 {1.53/19 0} 40. Bxh3 {4.06/49 82} Qh6+ {1.52/12 0} 41. Kf5 {4.33/47 5} Kc2 {1.26/15 12 (Dh7+)} 42. Ned5 {4.33/36 4 (Seg6)} Kb3 {0.97/12 11} 43. Kg4 {4.33/40 0} Ka4 {0.12/8 6 (Dh7)} 44. Nc3+ {6.59/36 24} Ka5 {0.40/11 0} 45. Bg2 {6.77/28 2} Qh2 {0.99/11 7 (Dh7)} 46. Bd5 {8.93/25 2 (Kf3)} Qg1+ {0.46/9 7 (Df2)} 47. Kf3 {12.81/22 3} Qf1+ {0.47/8 2 (Dg5)} 48. Ke4 {152.31/36 6 (Ke3)} Qf2 {0.56/10 8 (Dh1+)} 49. Bc7+ {152.51/54 3 (Kd3)} Ka6 {0.49/10 6} 50. Ne6 {152.53/55 12 (Kd3)} Qh4+ {99.66/29 5} 51. Kd3 {152.54/57 0} Qf2 {99.66/32 3 (Db4)} 52. Kc4 {152.56/56 4} Qf1+ {99.68/32 0} 53. Kb4 {152.57/55 6 (Kb3)} Qb5+ {99.76/30 10} 54. Ka3 {152.58/56 3} Qf1 {99.80/33 4} 55. Nc5+ {152.59/57 5} Ka7 {99.82/33 0} 56. N5e4 {152.61/51 18 (Kb4)} Qa1+ {99.82/29 7 (Dg1)} 57. Kb3 {#21/53 5} Qe1 {99.86/31 5 (Dc1)} 58. Nd6 {#20/50 3} Qe3 {99.88/28 0} 59. Bc6 {#19/50 5 (Kb4)} Ka6 {99.92/26 4} 60. Bb5+ {#18/48 3} Ka7 {99.94/26 0} 61. Bb6+ {#17/48 5} Kxb6 {99.96/25 0} 62. Nc4+ {1/1 0} Kc5 {1/0 0} 63. Nxe3 {7/1 0} Kd6 {7/1 0} 64. Ned5 {6/0 0} Ke6 {6/1 0} 65. Be8 {5/1 0} Ke5 {5/0 0} 66. Bd7 {4/1 0} 1-0
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This is sad... Although the main line is 1.Be6!! fxe6 2.Nf4 Qd8 3.Nf5+ exf5 4.Bg7+ Kxg7 5.Ne6+ Kf6 6.Nxd8 Nxg3 7.Ne6!!, the side line 1...Ne3 2.Ne5 fxe6 3.Bc1! Kg7 4.h6+! Kg8 5.Bxe3 Qf5 6.Nc6 is still cool. But this side line seems cooked now.