Queen vs two Rooks endings, great practice for human

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Queen vs two Rooks endings, great practice for human

Post by Chessqueen »

Next game I tried to Draw against Stockfish playing Black, I had the Queen plus all the pawns versus Stockfish 2 Rooks and f3 pawns odds, but stockfish played first. With just Queen versus 2 Rooks it was a great challenge but Stockfish was too much for me, most of you should try to draw as well :oops: I believe that moving my King to 41.Ka6? was a great mistake I should have taken the pawn to draw, but maybe Stockfisk would have won anyway :roll:

[pgn]
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.12.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish-windows-2022-x86-64-avx2"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[Time "22:29:04"]
[WhiteElo "3650"]
[TimeControl "600+5"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "3qk3/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPP1PP/R3K2R w KQ - 0 1"]


1. O-O-O d5 2. e3 Kf8 3. g4 e5 4. h4 d4 5. exd4 exd4 6. d3 h5 7. gxh5 Qd6
8. Kb1 Qh6 9. Rdg1 Qxh5 10. Rg5 Qf3 11. Rhg1 g6 12. a3 Qf2 13. h5 gxh5 14.
Rh1 h4 15. Rh5 Ke7 16. R5xh4 a6 17. R4h2 Qg3 18. Re2+ Kd6 19. Rh6+ Kd7 20.
Rf6 Qg7 21. Ref2 Ke7 22. R6f4 b6 23. Re4+ Kd6 24. Ref4 Ke7 25. Re4+ Kd6 26.
Rf5 a5 27. a4 c5 28. Ref4 Ke6 29. Ka2 Qg6 30. Rxf7 Qxf7 31. Rxf7 Kxf7 32.
Kb3 Ke6 33. Kc4 Kd6 34. Kb5 Kc7 35. Ka6 Kc6 36. b3 Kc7 37. Ka7 Kc6 38. Kb8
b5 39. Ka7 bxa4 40. bxa4 c4 41. Ka6 c3 42. Kxa5 Kc5 43. Ka6 Kb4 44. a5 Ka3
45. Kb5 Kb2 46. a6 Kxc2 47. a7 Kb2 48. a8=Q c2 49. Qc6 c1=Q 50. Qxc1+ Kxc1
51. Kc5 Kb1 52. Kxd4 Kb2 53. Kc5 Kc3 54. d4 Kd2 {Black resigns} *[/pgn]
Last edited by Chessqueen on Mon Dec 26, 2022 4:30 pm, edited 7 times in total.
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Re: Queen vs two Rooks endings, great practice for human

Post by Chessqueen »

This was my previous challenge but the f3 pawn is like taking two pawns odds, but without the engine having any other pieces just pawns it should be easy to win, if you include both queens it would be harder to beat any top 4 engines, but I gave Stockfish the first move :roll:

[pgn][Date "2022.12.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish-windows-2022-x86-64-avx2"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[Time "21:33:48"]
[WhiteElo "3650"]
[TimeControl "600+5"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4k3/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPP1PP/4K3 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "43"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "human"]

1. Kf2 d5 2. d3 Kd7 3. Kg3 e5 4. e3 a5 5. Kg4 Ke6 6. d4 b6 7. c3 a4 8. Kg5
c5 9. b4 h6+ 10. Kg4 f5+ 11. Kf3 g5 12. dxc5 bxc5 13. Ke2 cxb4 14. Kd2 b3
15. a3 f4 16. g3 fxe3+ 17. Ke2 b2 18. Kxe3 b1=Q 19. h4 Qe1+ 20. Kf3 Qd2 21.
h5 e4+ 22. Kg4 {White resigns} *[/pgn]
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Re: Queen vs two Rooks endings, great practice for human

Post by Chessqueen »

This is how I should have played it by taking the pawn instead of 41.Ka6? which was an ending blunder, that I played in less than 10 seconds :oops:

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.12.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish-windows-2022-x86-64-avx2"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[Time "22:29:04"]
[WhiteElo "3650"]
[TimeControl "600+5"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "3qk3/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPP1PP/R3K2R w KQ - 0 1"]


1. O-O-O d5 2. e3 Kf8 3. g4 e5 4. h4 d4 5. exd4 exd4 6. d3 h5 7. gxh5 Qd6
8. Kb1 Qh6 9. Rdg1 Qxh5 10. Rg5 Qf3 11. Rhg1 g6 12. a3 Qf2 13. h5 gxh5 14.
Rh1 h4 15. Rh5 Ke7 16. R5xh4 a6 17. R4h2 Qg3 18. Re2+ Kd6 19. Rh6+ Kd7 20.
Rf6 Qg7 21. Ref2 Ke7 22. R6f4 b6 23. Re4+ Kd6 24. Ref4 Ke7 25. Re4+ Kd6 26.
Rf5 a5 27. a4 c5 28. Ref4 Ke6 29. Ka2 Qg6 30. Rxf7 Qxf7 31. Rxf7 Kxf7 32.
Kb3 Ke6 33. Kc4 Kd6 34. Kb5 Kc7 35. Ka6 Kc6 36. b3 Kc7 37. Ka7 Kc6 38. Kb8
b5 39. Ka7 bxa4 40. bxa4 c4 41. dxc4 Kc5 42. Ka6 Kxc4 43. Kxa5 Kc3 *[/pgn]
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Re: Queen vs two Rooks endings, great practice for human

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Next Game I will try to at least draw, against Stockfish with Stockfish playing without its f3 pawn, since it is only both Queens it should not be that hard to draw, this is a little bit harder to play than versus 2 Rooks as before, I might be wrong, but I feel that if I give myself 15 minutes per game, I should be able to draw. What makes the game much more tactical complicated which benefit the engine is to include more than 2 pieces into the board such as both queens and maybe a knight for both sides or both queens and maybe a bishop to both sides I I strongly believe that any player Not st5onger than 1950 should be able to draw, if their ending knowledge is good with pawns. Most players rated under 2000 should also try this position :roll:

[pgn][Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.12.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish-windows-2022-x86-64-avx2"]
[Black "Chessqueen"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[Time "22:07:30"]
[WhiteElo "3650"]
[TimeControl "900+0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "3qk3/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPP1PP/3QK3 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "1"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "human"]

1. e3 {(e2-e3 e7-e6 Qd1-g4 Qd8-f6 c2-c3 Qf6-e5 a2-a4 h7-h5 Qg4-f3 c7-c6
g2-g3 Ke8-e7 Ke1-d1 Qe5-g5 h2-h3 b7-b6 Kd1-c2 h5-h4 g3xh4 Qg5xh4 e3-e4
g7-g5 b2-b3 Qh4-f4 Qf3xf4 g5xf4 d2-d4 Ke7-f6 Kc2-d3 Kf6-g5 Kd3-e2 f7-f6
Ke2-f2 e6-e5 Kf2-g2) -1.98/35 50} *
[/quote][/pgn]
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Re: Queen vs two Rooks endings, great practice for human

Post by Chessqueen »

[quote=Chessqueen post_id=940207 time=1672073915 user_id=10732]
Next Game I will try to at least draw, against Stockfish with Stockfish playing without its f3 pawn, since it is only both Queens it should not be that hard to draw, this is a little bit harder to play than versus 2 Rooks as before, I might be wrong, but I feel that if I give myself 15 minutes per game, I should be able to draw. What makes the game much more tactical complicated which benefit the engine is to include more than 2 pieces into the board such as both queens and maybe a knight for both sides or both queens and maybe a bishop to both sides I I strongly believe that any player Not st5onger than 1950 should be able to draw, if their ending knowledge is good with pawns. Most players rated under 2000 should also try this position :roll:

Note: I should have taken the pawn on move 21....Qxc5! instead of giving a useless check, since 21.....Qe4+ could be easily fend off and after the Check the Black side would have a hard time equalizing :oops:

[pgn][Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.12.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish-windows-2022-x86-64-avx2"]
[Black "Chessqueen"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[Time "22:07:30"]
[WhiteElo "3650"]
[TimeControl "900+0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "3qk3/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPP1PP/3QK3 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "1"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "human"]



1. e3 Kf8 2. Qh5 Kg8 3. Qa5 a6 4. c4 e6 5. Ke2 d6 6. b4 d5 7. c5 Qd7 8. a4
e5 9. b5 Qg4+ 10. Ke1 Qxg2 11. Qxc7 Qg1+ 12. Ke2 Qxh2+ 13. Ke1 Qh4+ 14. Kf1
h5 15. Qxb7 Qxa4 16. Qc8+ Kh7 17. Qf5+ Kh6 18. b6 Qd1+ 19. Kg2 Qxd2+ 20.
Qf2 Qb4 21. Qxf7 Qe4+ 22. Qf3 Qc2+ 23. Qf2 Qxc5 24. Qb2 Qxe3 25. b7 Qe4+
26. Kf2 Qf4+ 27. Ke1 Qh4+ 28. Kd1 Qg4+ 29. Kc1 Qc4+ 30. Kd2 Qf4+ 31. Kc2
Qc4+ 32. Qc3 Qb5 33. Qb3 Qe2+ 34. Kb1 Qe1+ 35. Ka2 Qa5+ 36. Qa3 Qc7 37. Qb2
Qc4+ 38. Qb3 Qe2+ 39. Ka3 Qd2 40. b8=Q Qa5+ 41. Kb2 Qd2+ 42. Qc2 Qxc2+ 43.
Kxc2 h4 44. Qxe5 a5 45. Qxd5 a4 46. Kd3 g6 47. Ke4 a3 {Black resigns} *[/pgn]
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Re: Queen vs two Rooks endings, great practice for human

Post by Chessqueen »

[quote=Chessqueen post_id=940215 time=1672086250 user_id=10732]
[quote=Chessqueen post_id=940207 time=1672073915 user_id=10732]
Next Game I will try to at least draw, against Stockfish with Stockfish playing without its f3 pawn, since it is only both Queens it should not be that hard to draw, this is a little bit harder to play than versus 2 Rooks as before, I might be wrong, but I feel that if I give myself 15 minutes per game, I should be able to draw. What makes the game much more tactical complicated which benefit the engine is to include more than 2 pieces into the board such as both queens and maybe a knight for both sides or both queens and maybe a bishop to both sides I I strongly believe that any player Not st5onger than 1950 should be able to draw, if their ending knowledge is good with pawns. Most players rated under 2000 should also try this position :roll:

Note: I should have taken the pawn on move 21....Qxc5! instead of giving a useless check, since 21.....Qe4+ could be easily fend off and after the Check the Black side would have a hard time equalizing. I lasted longer by taking the pawn on c5 but after a hard fought endgame Stockfish was too strong for my level :oops:

[pgn][Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.12.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish-windows-2022-x86-64-avx2"]
[Black "Chessqueen"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[Time "22:07:30"]
[WhiteElo "3650"]
[TimeControl "900+0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "3qk3/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPP1PP/3QK3 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "1"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "human"]


1. e3 Kf8 2. Qh5 Kg8 3. Qa5 a6 4. c4 e6 5. Ke2 d6 6. b4 d5 7. c5 Qd7 8. a4
e5 9. b5 Qg4+ 10. Ke1 Qxg2 11. Qxc7 Qg1+ 12. Ke2 Qxh2+ 13. Ke1 Qh4+ 14. Kf1
h5 15. Qxb7 Qxa4 16. Qc8+ Kh7 17. Qf5+ Kh6 18. b6 Qd1+ 19. Kg2 Qxd2+ 20.
Qf2 Qb4 21. Qxf7 Qxc5 22. b7 Qc2+ 23. Kg1 Qb1+ 24. Kf2 Qb2+ 25. Kg1 Qb6 26.
Qxd5 a5 27. Qd7 Qxe3+ 28. Kf1 Qf3+ 29. Ke1 Qe3+ 30. Kd1 Qb3+ 31. Kd2 g6 32.
Qe7 Qb2+ 33. Kd3 Qd4+ 34. Kc2 Qc4+ 35. Kb2 Qd4+ 36. Kb1 Qd3+ 37. Ka2 Qe2+
38. Ka3 Qf1 39. Ka4 Qc4+ 40. Kxa5 Qa2+ 41. Kb6 Qb3+ 42. Kc7 Qc4+ 43. Kd7
Qb5+ 44. Kd8 Qb3 45. Qc7 Qg8+ 46. Ke7 Qg7+ 47. Kd6 Qf6+ 48. Kd5 Qf3+ 49.
Ke6 Qb3+ 50. Ke7 Qb4+ 51. Kf7 Qb3+ 52. Kf8 Qa3+ 53. Kg8 Qb3+ 54. Kh8 Kg5
55. Qxe5+ Kg4 56. b8=Q Qxb8+ 57. Qxb8 g5 58. Kg7 h4 59. Kf6 h3 60. Qh2 Kf3
61. Kxg5[/pgn]
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Re: Queen vs two Rooks endings, great practice for human

Post by Chessqueen »

I do not give up so easy specially if I came so close from drawing the last time, so I decided to attack from the other wing. I would like to see other players drawing against Stockfish or Dragon 3.1 or 3.2 with this position, it is a great challenge and a great way of practicing endgames, with just both queens the engine will not create too many tactical positions against you, unless you decide to use a Queen and Knight for both, with this same position. :roll:
[pgn][Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.12.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish-windows-2022-x86-64-avx2"]
[Black "Chessqueen"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[Time "22:07:30"]
[WhiteElo "3650"]
[TimeControl "900+0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "3qk3/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPP1PP/3QK3 w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "1"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "human"]


1. e3 e6 2. Qg4 Qf6 3. c3 Qg6 4. Qf4 Qb1+ 5. Ke2 Qxb2 6. Qxc7 Qb5+ 7. Ke1
a5 8. a3 Qd5 9. h3 f6 10. Qc8+ Ke7 11. Qg8 Qxg2 12. Qxh7 d6 13. Qg8 f5 14.
a4 Qg6 15. Ke2 Qg5 16. Kd3 Qg2 17. Kc2 e5 18. Qc8 Qc6 19. Qxf5 Qxa4+ 20.
Kb2 Qb5+ 21. Kc1 Qd7 22. Qg6 Kd8 23. h4 Kc7 24. Qb1 b5 25. Qb3 Qc6 26. Qg8
Qh1+ 27. Kb2 Qg2 28. Kc2 a4 29. Qf7+ Kb6 30. Qf8 Qc6 31. Qb8+ Ka6 32. Kb2
e4 33. h5 Qd5 34. Qc8+ Qb7 35. Qe6 Qc6 36. Qg8 Qc5 37. Qa8+ Kb6 38. Qb8+
Ka6 39. Qa8+ Kb6 40. Qb8+ Ka6 41. Qa8+ {3-fold repetition} *[/pgn]