Magnus Hans Niemann & Hikaru At Rapid blitz Champs

[lkaufman]

Artemiev, who is only 107 elo below him in Rapid (this was a Rapid event), and 158 below him in Classical.

This question is a little off topic: I think you have previously given your estimates for the elo loss (of a "typical"* grandmaster) going from Classical to Rapid, and from Rapid to Blitz; can you repeat them here? I mean, of course, the strength of the moves (e.g. if two equal players play each other, one with Classical time control, the other with Rapid, what is the elo difference with that time handicap, etc.?).

[* e.g. Magnus is not "typical"; his drop-off in quality with shrinking time is smaller than the normal GM.]

I don't remember exactly what I said a while ago, but it was probably something like losing 150 elo from Classical to Rapid (15' + 10"), and another 200 from Rapid to Blitz (3' + 2"). At least those numbers are in the right ballpark.

[Chessqueen]

Magnus Carlsen Wins 2022 World Rapid & Blitz Tournament with 10 point out of 13!! Congrats Magnus!!
Fabiano Caruana Finishes 3rd!! Hans M. Niemann finished 100th!! Hikaru Finished 44th....Giri finished 12th
Grishuk Finished 18th....Nepo finished 14th....

https://chess-results.com/tnr706381.asp ... 13&flag=30


https://en.chessbase.com/post/world-rap ... -2022-live

GM Niemann's Most Shocking Game This Year
Note: I do NOT understand what is all the fuzz, look at this unknown player playing with the Black pieces who is NOT a top GM and played a perfect game according to top engines

[CornfedForever]

Magnus Carlsen Wins 2022 World Rapid & Blitz Tournament with 10 point out of 13!! Congrats Magnus!!
Fabiano Caruana Finishes 3rd!! Hans M. Niemann finished 100th!! Hikaru Finished 44th....Giri finished 12th
Grishuk Finished 18th....Nepo finished 14th....

https://chess-results.com/tnr706381.asp ... 13&flag=30


https://en.chessbase.com/post/world-rap ... -2022-live

GM Niemann's Most Shocking Game This Year
Note: I do NOT understand what is all the fuzz, look at this unknown player playing with the Black pieces who is NOT a top GM and played a perfect game according to top engines

Short forcing games should not be compared to full bodied games.

Bakos, Le (2152) - Toth, Le (1803) but....2011 Hung-chT2 Barcza [DEAC - Sarospatak) and not the players he references...pretty forcing Fried Liver Attack, I guess it could be played twice.
Found by the incredibly fast new search function (dropping a few pieces on the board) in Chessbase 17. Chess Software of the Year...imho.

[syzygy]

King Magnus lost to someone close to 400 points below him.

Did the offender get thrown to the floor and gone over good with a wand?

He lost to Artemiev, who is only 107 elo below him in Rapid (this was a Rapid event), and 158 below him in Classical. Where did you get 400 elo? Perhaps referring to some much older event, but this thread is about the Rapid and blitz current event.

Thanks for double checking that - I went back to Chessbase to check...sorting again by player and I see, you are right of course, the game just before Carlsen starts, is actually a game Tomashevsky - Burmakin (2498) - not Carlsen - Burmakin...and worse yet, Burmakin even lost!

Apart from the rating-gap mistake, it seems you are under the mistaken impression that Carlsen misbehaves whenever he loses to a lower-rated player.

[CornfedForever]

Thanks for double checking that - I went back to Chessbase to check...sorting again by player and I see, you are right of course, the game just before Carlsen starts, is actually a game Tomashevsky - Burmakin (2498) - not Carlsen - Burmakin...and worse yet, Burmakin even lost!

Apart from the rating-gap mistake, it seems you are under the mistaken impression that Carlsen misbehaves whenever he loses to a lower-rated player.
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For you to tag "whenever he loses to a lower-rate player" is your imagination at work. True he has been known to act poorly, even throw things in such a situation, but not every single time. Some might even say it's 'the exception that proves the rule'. I won't go that far...but he has behaved poorly after some loses, no doubt.

[Chessqueen]

King Magnus lost to someone close to 400 points below him.

Did the offender get thrown to the floor and gone over good with a wand?

He lost to Artemiev, who is only 107 elo below him in Rapid (this was a Rapid event), and 158 below him in Classical. Where did you get 400 elo? Perhaps referring to some much older event, but this thread is about the Rapid and blitz current event.

Thanks for double checking that - I went back to Chessbase to check...sorting again by player and I see, you are right of course, the game just before Carlsen starts, is actually a game Tomashevsky - Burmakin (2498) - not Carlsen - Burmakin...and worse yet, Burmakin even lost!

Apart from the rating-gap mistake, it seems you are under the mistaken impression that Carlsen misbehaves whenever he loses to a lower-rated player.

Carlsen should smile and laugh like GM Niemann when he botched up a winning position he should have moved his King to h5 or his Queen to f5+ checking the Black King. ==>

[M ANSARI]

King Magnus lost to someone close to 400 points below him.

Did the offender get thrown to the floor and gone over good with a wand?

He lost to Artemiev, who is only 107 elo below him in Rapid (this was a Rapid event), and 158 below him in Classical. Where did you get 400 elo? Perhaps referring to some much older event, but this thread is about the Rapid and blitz current event.

Thanks for double checking that - I went back to Chessbase to check...sorting again by player and I see, you are right of course, the game just before Carlsen starts, is actually a game Tomashevsky - Burmakin (2498) - not Carlsen - Burmakin...and worse yet, Burmakin even lost!

Apart from the rating-gap mistake, it seems you are under the mistaken impression that Carlsen misbehaves whenever he loses to a lower-rated player.

Carlsen should smile and laugh like GM Niemann when he botched up a winning position he should have moved his King to h5 or his Queen to f5+ checking the Black King. ==>

Not sure what happened to Hans chess "intuition" that is supposed to be the best ever in the history of chess! I personally don't see this particular blunder in a blitz games as anything unusual, but that is poor technique as with 2 queens on the board and playing only on increment, the best is to try and force a queen trade rather than try and calculate all possible queen jumps by the opponent. Fortunately for MC, Hans did not play good enough to reach the top (lost games against 2400 to 2500 players) and be able to have any games with MC. Although MC won both the Rapid and Blitz tournament, if he would have forfeited a game against Hans it would have probably changed the final result.

[towforce]

Hans wins a game: he must be cheating.

Hans loses a game: he must have been cheating before.

How's he supposed to prove his innocence?

Answer: he doesn't have to. The burden of proof lies with the accuser.

[M ANSARI]

Hans wins a game: he must be cheating.

Hans loses a game: he must have been cheating before.

How's he supposed to prove his innocence?

Answer: he doesn't have to. The burden of proof lies with the accuser.

Yes I guess everyone is picking on him for no reason at all !!! Of course his prior admitted cheating has nothing to do with it . Also his amazing and incredible games where he seems to have played engine moves that even 2800 ELO super GM's considered "above their level" ... that has nothing to do with it. Having statistical accuracy of moves played or centi pawn loss in moves played ... no human on earth is even close to his accuracy. Yet he seems to play like a mortal 2500 to 2600 ELO GM when cheating checks are vigorous and more difficult to circumvent. I think we have passed the burden of proof a very long time ago and as we can see ... with time ... it will become more obvious that Hans Nieman is a total fraud, cheater and disgusting human being that should be banned from participating in any competitive chess tournament.

[Chessqueen]

Hans wins a game: he must be cheating.

Hans loses a game: he must have been cheating before.

How's he supposed to prove his innocence?

Answer: he doesn't have to. The burden of proof lies with the accuser.

Yes I guess everyone is picking on him for no reason at all !!! Of course his prior admitted cheating has nothing to do with it . Also his amazing and incredible games where he seems to have played engine moves that even 2800 ELO super GM's considered "above their level" ... that has nothing to do with it. Having statistical accuracy of moves played or centi pawn loss in moves played ... no human on earth is even close to his accuracy. Yet he seems to play like a mortal 2500 to 2600 ELO GM when cheating checks are vigorous and more difficult to circumvent. I think we have passed the burden of proof a very long time ago and as we can see ... with time ... it will become more obvious that Hans Nieman is a total fraud, cheater and disgusting human being that should be banned from participating in any competitive chess tournament.

I also think everyone is picking on him, and Christopher Yoo is a very strong Rapid and Blitz player, and I do NOT believe GM Hans Niemann used any cheating device, and look how he destroyed GM Yoo