ChatGPT explanation on why Kasparov lost to Deep-Blue :)

[Leo]

Obviously wrong on several points:

* DB analysed 200 million positions per second, which was exceptional at the time

* I don't remember it being able to "adjust it's strategy based on his playing style": that would imply changing the eval function mid-game.

* I don't remember a whole lot of "unexpected sacrifices"

But somebody who wasn't around at the time could easily be taken in!

A quick opinion on my part: before fact-checking on the internet became common, information at this level of accuracy was normal, and we used to be happy with it most of the time.

Interesting. Its throwing information with errors at you. It looks through millions of papers and spits out a statment based on what it read. Can someone ask it what stock I should buy?

[carldaman]

Obviously wrong on several points:

* DB analysed 200 million positions per second, which was exceptional at the time

* I don't remember it being able to "adjust it's strategy based on his playing style": that would imply changing the eval function mid-game.

* I don't remember a whole lot of "unexpected sacrifices"

But somebody who wasn't around at the time could easily be taken in!

A quick opinion on my part: before fact-checking on the internet became common, information at this level of accuracy was normal, and we used to be happy with it most of the time.

Interesting. Its throwing information with errors at you. It looks through millions of papers and spits out a statment based on what it read.

I find the glibness with which it spits out errors as if they were hard facts a little disturbing.

Let's hope we don't end up with some sort of Big Brother entity of this sort in a few years, as the final authority and ultimate source of information.

[syzygy]

It's mostly number 4: Emotions and nerves. I remember that match really well. Kasparov won one of the games, lost another, third was an honest draw. But in 4th he offered a draw in a winning position . In 5th he did not find a winning move and that game also was a draw. (The order of those games could be different, but that's the drama). And then finally 6th game - he blundered in the opening ! Used a wrong order of moves in caro-kahn, and allowed a standard sacrifice. But at that time, absolutely all chess community knew, that Kasparov was stronger than Deep Blue 2. He wanted a rematch never got one. And then in few years, chess engines became unreachable to humans.

Kasparov did not offer a draw in a winning position.
He did a mistake of resigning in a drawn position but not offering a draw in a winning position.

I do not think that all chess community knew that kasparov was stronger than Deep blue 2.
I did not not know and there were not enough games to know.

I think many people in the chess community at the time assumed that computers were still a very long way from reaching superhuman strength and that Kasparov, if he had played DB in more games, would easily have adapted his playstyle to make use of any weakness in DB's play.

Of course this assumption may have been wrong.
But if you ask me... Deep Blue was fast but had a very inefficient parallel search and did not use the search techniques that make modern top engines strong. I'd say Kasparov's loss was a fluke.

[M ANSARI]

I never understood why Deep Blue was dismantled and scrapped. Surely the hardware was worthless and having the machine historically preserved for future generations would have been the right thing to do. That was a major milestone historically and that machine belonged in a museum for furture generations to see and experience. Whoever decided to scrap the machine should be vilified forever. It would have been interesting to see how Deep Blue would have fared against SF 15.1 NNUE ... my guess that in a 100 game match it would lose every single game.

[Uri Blass]

I never understood why Deep Blue was dismantled and scrapped. Surely the hardware was worthless and having the machine historically preserved for future generations would have been the right thing to do. That was a major milestone historically and that machine belonged in a museum for furture generations to see and experience. Whoever decided to scrap the machine should be vilified forever. It would have been interesting to see how Deep Blue would have fared against SF 15.1 NNUE ... my guess that in a 100 game match it would lose every single game.

I think that more interesting to see how Deep Blue would have fared against the best software of 1997 when you give it the best hardware of today.

[Uri Blass]

Here is the ssdf rating list from 1997

https://www.oocities.org/marochess/ssdf ... df9708.htm

The top engines of this list Hiarcs6, Rebel9,Mchesspro6,Genius5 and the question is what is the result of DeepBlue1997 against these engines on modern hardware and not pentium200.

Edit:Not sure if there was some strong engine that support smp from 1997 that is better than these engines(when every engine use the best hardware it can use)
I believe Hiarcs Rebel Mchesspro,Genius did not support smp and Crafty supported smp so maybe Crafty of 1997 with the hardware of today is stronger and I do not know.

[towforce]

Here is the ssdf rating list from 1997

https://www.oocities.org/marochess/ssdf ... df9708.htm

There were still dedicated chess computers on that list. Wow!

Reading that list feels like a visit to a museum!

[towforce]

Here is the ssdf rating list from 1997

https://www.oocities.org/marochess/ssdf ... df9708.htm

There were still dedicated chess computers on that list. Wow!

Reading that list feels like a visit to a museum!

Two years earlier, "Toy Story", the first full length film to be entirely computer animated was released. The rendering was accomplished on a "renderfarm" of 87 dual-processor and 30 quad-processor 100-MHz SPARCstation 20s, which were kept in a cool room and run 24 hours a day (this was long before "cloud computing" was common).



How far we've come in how little time...

[Harvey Williamson]

I never understood why Deep Blue was dismantled and scrapped. Surely the hardware was worthless and having the machine historically preserved for future generations would have been the right thing to do. That was a major milestone historically and that machine belonged in a museum for furture generations to see and experience. Whoever decided to scrap the machine should be vilified forever. It would have been interesting to see how Deep Blue would have fared against SF 15.1 NNUE ... my guess that in a 100 game match it would lose every single game.

I spoke to somebody at Intel more than 10 years ago. He told me that part of Deep Blue was being used to print out luggage labels at an airport.

[CornfedForever]

ChatGPT is amazing, it seems to have an answer to almost everything.

One could argue that ChatGPT is good at 'mansplaining'...