"Smolgen" Leela BT is new number 1 in the world ?

[Kanizsa]

looks like Leela is defeating Stockfish in the world championship .....

https://tcec-chess.com/

[alex67a]

Why would Leela be number one?
In the last ccc he lost and this tournament I still have to finish missing many games...
But it has definitely improved a lot

[Kanizsa]

Stockfish is the Rapid and Bullet World Champion at ccc.

[alex67a]

It's relative: the rapid times in the ccc with 250 threads are much longer times in a tcec with only 104 threads
Not to mention elo rankings like cegt, ccrl and spcc with even lower hardware
The only thing that can be said is that Leela manages (maybe) to win at those specific combinations of hardware and thinking times but many combinations are possible

[Kanizsa]

Stockfish is still the king on cegt, ccrl, spcc, all tournaments at quick times, but Leela Smolgen is "new", no more PUCT but DAG with BORD.
It seems to me that you are looking back, but now Leela is 2 points ahead in TCEC. This is important to consider Leela BT as a potential world No. 1 in real tournament conditions, not rapid, bullet or blitz.

[bmp1974]

Where to download the net BT2-3650 (15x768)?

[gordonr]

Where to download the net BT2-3650 (15x768)?

I think the following still works...

https://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81792

[Modern Times]

..... important to consider Leela BT as a potential world No. 1 in real tournament conditions, not rapid, bullet or blitz.

You call hundreds of cores, multiple GPUs and tens of thousands of dollars of hardware "real conditions" ?

[CornfedForever]

..... important to consider Leela BT as a potential world No. 1 in real tournament conditions, not rapid, bullet or blitz.

You call hundreds of cores, multiple GPUs and tens of thousands of dollars of hardware "real conditions" ?

Absolutely agree!
Frankly, one should go with the average CPU in evaluations....say 4 cores. Much beyond that is a vanity project.
At some point we have to agree that there are two things at play:
1. The engine and how it handles positions...1 core should be enough really.
2. The hardware...and that can always vary....scaling is a hardware thing.

[Kanizsa]

..... important to consider Leela BT as a potential world No. 1 in real tournament conditions, not rapid, bullet or blitz.

You call hundreds of cores, multiple GPUs and tens of thousands of dollars of hardware "real conditions" ?

I wrote "real tournament conditions" not "real conditions".
"Real tournament conditions" means 2 hours of thinking time, as was the case in the old days of Capablanca vs. Lasker.
No one argues that Stockfish is the strongest at bullet, bliz, rapid.