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Easy Mate compare engines

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[fen]4k3/6Q1/p3p3/4Pp2/3P1P1P/8/6PK/3r4 w - - 1 29[/fen]



Fruit_reloaded_v321_x64_pop:

15/44 00:05 5.409k 1.049k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 Df6xe6+ Kc6c5 h7h8D Kc5d4 De6xa6 Kd4c3 Dh8h3+ Tf4f3 Dh3xf3+ Kc3d4 Da6d6+ Kd4c4 Df3d3+

The Huntsman 1:

54/34 10:24 619.468k 992k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 Df6xe6+ Kc6c5 h7h8D Kc5d4 Dh8h3 Tf4h4 Dh3xh4+ Kd4c3 Dh4e1+ Kc3b2 De1d2+ Kb2a3 De6a2+

Stockfish-windows-2022-x86-64:

27/24 00:05 2.527k 440k +M11 h4h5 Td1f1 h5h6 Tf1xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Tf4h4+ Df6xh4 f5f4 h7h8D Kd7c6 Dh8c8+ Kc6b5 Dc8c5+ Kb5a4 Dc5c4+ Ka4a3 Dh4xf4 a6a5 Df4c1+

Blue Marlin 15.3a:

44/28 02:20 54.028k 385k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 h7h8D Kc6c5 Dh8c8+ Kc5b4 Df6d8 Tf4h4+ Dd8xh4+ f5f4 Dh4xf4+ Kb4a3 Dc8c4 a6a5 Df4c1+

Cfish NUMA 060821:

47/26 01:07 88.696k 1.319k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 h7h8D Kc6c5 Df6xe6 Kc5b4 Dh8h6 Tf4h4+ Dh6xh4+ f5f4 Dh4xf4+ Kb4a5 De6d6 Ka5b5 Df4b4+

SugaR_AI_Iccf_SE_64:

14/23 00:04 4.442k 1.025k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 Df6xe6+ Kc6c5 h7h8D Kc5b4 Dh8h3 Tf4h4 De6b3+ Kb4c5 Dh3xh4 f5f4 Dh4d8 f4f3 Dd8b6+

asmFish:

59/26 02:30 275.292k 1.825k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 Df6xe6+ Kc6c5 h7h8D Kc5b4 Dh8b8+ Kb4c3 De6b3+ Kc3d2 Db8d6+ Kd2e2 Dd6d1+ Ke2f2 Db3g3+

BrainFish_200724:

34/56 00:18 26.470k 1.450k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 h7h8D Kc6b5 Df6xe6 Kb5b4 Dh8b8+ Kb4c3 Db8b3+ Kc3d2 De6d5+ Kd2e2 Db3d1+ Ke2e3 Dd1e1+

Critter_1.6a:

23/50 00:37 71.104k 1.912k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 h7h8D Kc6b5 Df6xe6 Kb5b4 Dh8b8+ Kb4c3 De6b3+ Kc3d2 Db8d6+ Kd2e2 Db3d1+ Ke2e3 Dd1e1+
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Re: Easy Mate compare engines

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My result 1 core:

Analysis by The Huntsman 1:

29.h5 Rxd4 30.h6 Rxf4 31.Qf6 Kd7 32.h7 Kc6 33.Qxe6+ Kc5 34.h8Q Kd4 35.Qd8+ Kc3 36.Qdc8+ Kd3 37.Qb3+ Ke4 38.Qc6+ Kxe5 39.Qbd5#
+- (#11) Depth: 24/27 00:00:00 1022kN
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Re: Easy Mate compare engines

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chessica wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 4:20 pm [fen]4k3/6Q1/p3p3/4Pp2/3P1P1P/8/6PK/3r4 w - - 1 29[/fen]



Fruit_reloaded_v321_x64_pop:

15/44 00:05 5.409k 1.049k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 Df6xe6+ Kc6c5 h7h8D Kc5d4 De6xa6 Kd4c3 Dh8h3+ Tf4f3 Dh3xf3+ Kc3d4 Da6d6+ Kd4c4 Df3d3+

The Huntsman 1:

54/34 10:24 619.468k 992k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 Df6xe6+ Kc6c5 h7h8D Kc5d4 Dh8h3 Tf4h4 Dh3xh4+ Kd4c3 Dh4e1+ Kc3b2 De1d2+ Kb2a3 De6a2+

Stockfish-windows-2022-x86-64:

27/24 00:05 2.527k 440k +M11 h4h5 Td1f1 h5h6 Tf1xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Tf4h4+ Df6xh4 f5f4 h7h8D Kd7c6 Dh8c8+ Kc6b5 Dc8c5+ Kb5a4 Dc5c4+ Ka4a3 Dh4xf4 a6a5 Df4c1+

Blue Marlin 15.3a:

44/28 02:20 54.028k 385k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 h7h8D Kc6c5 Dh8c8+ Kc5b4 Df6d8 Tf4h4+ Dd8xh4+ f5f4 Dh4xf4+ Kb4a3 Dc8c4 a6a5 Df4c1+

Cfish NUMA 060821:

47/26 01:07 88.696k 1.319k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 h7h8D Kc6c5 Df6xe6 Kc5b4 Dh8h6 Tf4h4+ Dh6xh4+ f5f4 Dh4xf4+ Kb4a5 De6d6 Ka5b5 Df4b4+

SugaR_AI_Iccf_SE_64:

14/23 00:04 4.442k 1.025k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 Df6xe6+ Kc6c5 h7h8D Kc5b4 Dh8h3 Tf4h4 De6b3+ Kb4c5 Dh3xh4 f5f4 Dh4d8 f4f3 Dd8b6+

asmFish:

59/26 02:30 275.292k 1.825k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 Df6xe6+ Kc6c5 h7h8D Kc5b4 Dh8b8+ Kb4c3 De6b3+ Kc3d2 Db8d6+ Kd2e2 Dd6d1+ Ke2f2 Db3g3+

BrainFish_200724:

34/56 00:18 26.470k 1.450k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 h7h8D Kc6b5 Df6xe6 Kb5b4 Dh8b8+ Kb4c3 Db8b3+ Kc3d2 De6d5+ Kd2e2 Db3d1+ Ke2e3 Dd1e1+

Critter_1.6a:

23/50 00:37 71.104k 1.912k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 h7h8D Kc6b5 Df6xe6 Kb5b4 Dh8b8+ Kb4c3 De6b3+ Kc3d2 Db8d6+ Kd2e2 Db3d1+ Ke2e3 Dd1e1+
ShashChessGZ-x86-64-sse3-popcnt:

20/24 00:01 1.498k 1.122k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 Df6xe6+ Kc6c5 h7h8D Kc5d4 Dh8d8+ Kd4c3 Dd8c8+ Kc3d2 De6a2+ Kd2d3 Da2c2+ Kd3d4 Dc8c5+

Swordfish 14.8:

40/58 03:27 118.464k 571k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 Df6xe6+ Kc6b5 h7h8D Kb5b4 Dh8b8+ Kb4c3 De6b3+ Kc3d2 Db8d6+ Kd2e2 Dd6d1+ Ke2f2 Db3g3+

SlowChess-2.9:

28/44 01:40 37.516k 374k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 h7h8D Kc6b5 Df6xe6 Kb5b4 Dh8h3 Tf4h4 Dh3xh4+ Kb4c3 Dh4e1+ Kc3d3 De6b3+ Kd3d4 De1e3+
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Re: Easy Mate compare engines

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chessica wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:27 pm
chessica wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 4:20 pm [fen]4k3/6Q1/p3p3/4Pp2/3P1P1P/8/6PK/3r4 w - - 1 29[/fen]



Fruit_reloaded_v321_x64_pop:

15/44 00:05 5.409k 1.049k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 Df6xe6+ Kc6c5 h7h8D Kc5d4 De6xa6 Kd4c3 Dh8h3+ Tf4f3 Dh3xf3+ Kc3d4 Da6d6+ Kd4c4 Df3d3+

The Huntsman 1 with MateSearch:

54/34 10:24 619.468k 992k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 Df6xe6+ Kc6c5 h7h8D Kc5d4 Dh8h3 Tf4h4 Dh3xh4+ Kd4c3 Dh4e1+ Kc3b2 De1d2+ Kb2a3 De6a2+

Stockfish-windows-2022-x86-64:

27/24 00:05 2.527k 440k +M11 h4h5 Td1f1 h5h6 Tf1xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Tf4h4+ Df6xh4 f5f4 h7h8D Kd7c6 Dh8c8+ Kc6b5 Dc8c5+ Kb5a4 Dc5c4+ Ka4a3 Dh4xf4 a6a5 Df4c1+

Blue Marlin 15.3a:

44/28 02:20 54.028k 385k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 h7h8D Kc6c5 Dh8c8+ Kc5b4 Df6d8 Tf4h4+ Dd8xh4+ f5f4 Dh4xf4+ Kb4a3 Dc8c4 a6a5 Df4c1+

Cfish NUMA 060821:

47/26 01:07 88.696k 1.319k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 h7h8D Kc6c5 Df6xe6 Kc5b4 Dh8h6 Tf4h4+ Dh6xh4+ f5f4 Dh4xf4+ Kb4a5 De6d6 Ka5b5 Df4b4+

SugaR_AI_Iccf_SE_64:

14/23 00:04 4.442k 1.025k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 Df6xe6+ Kc6c5 h7h8D Kc5b4 Dh8h3 Tf4h4 De6b3+ Kb4c5 Dh3xh4 f5f4 Dh4d8 f4f3 Dd8b6+

asmFish:

59/26 02:30 275.292k 1.825k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 Df6xe6+ Kc6c5 h7h8D Kc5b4 Dh8b8+ Kb4c3 De6b3+ Kc3d2 Db8d6+ Kd2e2 Dd6d1+ Ke2f2 Db3g3+

BrainFish_200724:

34/56 00:18 26.470k 1.450k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 h7h8D Kc6b5 Df6xe6 Kb5b4 Dh8b8+ Kb4c3 Db8b3+ Kc3d2 De6d5+ Kd2e2 Db3d1+ Ke2e3 Dd1e1+

Critter_1.6a:

23/50 00:37 71.104k 1.912k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 h7h8D Kc6b5 Df6xe6 Kb5b4 Dh8b8+ Kb4c3 De6b3+ Kc3d2 Db8d6+ Kd2e2 Db3d1+ Ke2e3 Dd1e1+
ShashChessGZ-x86-64-sse3-popcnt:

20/24 00:01 1.498k 1.122k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 Df6xe6+ Kc6c5 h7h8D Kc5d4 Dh8d8+ Kd4c3 Dd8c8+ Kc3d2 De6a2+ Kd2d3 Da2c2+ Kd3d4 Dc8c5+

Swordfish 14.8:

40/58 03:27 118.464k 571k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 Df6xe6+ Kc6b5 h7h8D Kb5b4 Dh8b8+ Kb4c3 De6b3+ Kc3d2 Db8d6+ Kd2e2 Dd6d1+ Ke2f2 Db3g3+

SlowChess-2.9:

28/44 01:40 37.516k 374k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 h7h8D Kc6b5 Df6xe6 Kb5b4 Dh8h3 Tf4h4 Dh3xh4+ Kb4c3 Dh4e1+ Kc3d3 De6b3+ Kd3d4 De1e3+
The Huntsman 1 without MateSearch:

38/32 02:36 142.270k 908k +M11 h4h5 Td1xd4 h5h6 Td4xf4 Dg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 Df6xe6+ Kc6c5 h7h8D Kc5d4 Dh8d8+ Kd4c3 Dd8c8+ Kc3d4 De6d6+ Kd4e3 Dc8c1+ Ke3f2 Dd6d2+
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Re: Easy Mate compare engines

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The old master, The King from CM9000, gets it in 15 seconds:

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Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	3/9	11.14	325465		29.Qg6+ Kd7 30.Qf7+ Kd8 31.Qxe6
					a5 32.Qd6+ Kc8 33.Qa6+ Kb8 34.Qxa5
					Kc8 35.Qa8+ Kc7
0:00	3/9	14.62	465780		29.h5 Rxd4 30.h6 Rxf4 31.Qf6 Kd7
					32.h7 a5 33.h8=Q Kc6 34.Qa8+ Kb5
					35.Qxe6
0:00	4/10	14.76	600575		29.h5 Rxd4 30.h6 Rxf4 31.Qf6 Kd7
					32.h7 Kc6 33.Qxe6+ Kb5 34.Qd5+
					Kb4 35.Qd2+ Kb5 36.h8=Q
0:01	5/11	15.03	1520513		29.h5 Rxd4 30.h6 Rxf4 31.Qf6 Kd7
					32.h7 Kc6 33.Qxe6+ Kb5 34.Qd5+
					Ka4 35.h8=Q a5 36.e6
0:06	6/12	18.85	5860805		29.h5 Rxd4 30.h6 Rxf4 31.Qf6 Kd7
					32.h7 Kc6 33.Qxe6+ Kc5 34.h8=Q
					Kd4 35.Qd6+ Ke4 36.Qb4+ Ke3 37.Qh3+
					Ke2 38.Qxf4
0:15	7/13	Mate11	14772066	29.h5 Rxd4 30.h6 Rxf4 31.Qf6 Kd7
					32.h7 Kc6 33.Qxe6+ Kc5 34.h8=Q
					Kd4 35.Qd6+ Ke4 36.e6 Ke3 37.Qc3+
					Ke2 38.Qdd3+ Kf2 39.Qcd2#
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Re: Easy Mate compare engines

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I feel Myrddin (with 8 cores) got lucky here:

23 32746 4453 507691763 h4h5 d1d4 h5h6 d4f4 g7f6 e8d7 h6h7 d7c6 f6e6 c6c5 h7h8Q c5b4 h8b8 b4c3 b8c8 c3b2 e6b6 f4b4 b6b4 b2a2 c8a6 (11400 KNPS)(Mate in 11)
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Re: Easy mate compare engines.

Post by Ajedrecista »

Hello:

Always Chest! Both 29.- h5 and 29.- Qa7 are checkmates in 11 moves each one:

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FEN: 4k3/6Q1/p3p3/4Pp2/3P1P1P/8/6PK/3r4 w - - 1 29

ChestUCI:
FEN: 4k3/6Q1/p3p3/4Pp2/3P1P1P/8/6PK/3r4 w - -   (7+5)
Stellungs-Analyse:  C0/R0/K2/P3/X12   W:5/22
Suche nach Matt in 11 ...  (Hash=512MB)
  11	03:22	 143.972.567	776.027	+M11	h4h5
  11	06:43	 310.889.658	774.640	+M11	Qg7a7
Suche abgeschlossen ...  (Zeit=525.16s)
Matt in 11 gefunden !  (2 Lösungen in 08:45)
 11/11	08:46	 406.552.797	774.156	+M11	Qg7a7 Ke8d8 h4h5 Rd1c1 Qa7b8+ Rc1c8 Qb8d6+ Kd8e8 h5h6 a6a5 Qd6xe6+ Ke8d8 Qe6d6+ Kd8e8 h6h7 Ke8f7 Qd6f6+ Kf7e8 h7h8Q+ Ke8d7 Qf6d6+
 11/11	08:46	 406.552.797	774.156	+M11	h4h5 Rd1xd4 h5h6 Rd4xf4 Qg7f6 Ke8d7 h6h7 Kd7c6 Qf6xe6+ Kc6c5 h7h8Q Kc5b4 Qh8f8+ Kb4c3 Qf8c8+ Rf4c4 Qe6xc4+ Kc3b2 Qc8b8+ Kb2a1 Qc4a4+
Regards from Spain.

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Re: Easy Mate compare engines

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JVMerlino wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 7:34 pm I feel Myrddin (with 8 cores) got lucky here:

23 32746 4453 507691763 h4h5 d1d4 h5h6 d4f4 g7f6 e8d7 h6h7 d7c6 f6e6 c6c5 h7h8Q c5b4 h8b8 b4c3 b8c8 c3b2 e6b6 f4b4 b6b4 b2a2 c8a6 (11400 KNPS)(Mate in 11)

My PC here 1thread:

Myrddin 089-64:

22 05:15 348.684k 1.106k +M16 h4h5 d1d4 h5h6 d4f4 g7g8 e8d7 g8f7 d7c6 f7e6 c6b5 e6d7 b5c5 d7e7 c5b5 h6h7 b5a4 h7h8Q f4b4 h8c8 a4b3 e7d8 b4b7 c8b7 b3c3 b7a6 c3b4 a6a5 b4b3 d8d3 b3b2 a5a3 (1106 KNPS)(Mate in 16)
23 06:58 488.546k 1.166k +M12 h4h5 d1d4 h5h6 d4f4 g7g5 f4g4 g5h5 e8e7 h6h7 e7d7 h7h8Q d7c6 h8c8 c6b6 h5h3 g4b4 h3c3 b4h4 h2g1 h4c4 c3c4 a6a5 c8c7 (1166 KNPS)(Mate in 12)
24 07:15 514.952k 1.181k +M11 h4h5 d1d4 h5h6 d4f4 g7f6 e8d7 h6h7 d7c6 f6e6 c6c5 h7h8Q c5b4 h8c8 f4h4 h2g1 a6a5 e6b6 b4a4 c8c2 a4a3 b6b3 (1181 KNPS)(Mate in 11)
25 07:30 538.989k 1.197k +M11 h4h5 d1d4 h5h6 d4f4 g7f6 e8d7 h6h7 d7c6 f6e6 c6c5 h7h8Q c5b4 h8c8 f4h4 h2g1 a6a5 e6b6 b4a4 c8c2 a4a3 b6b3 (1197 KNPS)(Mate in 11)

4 threads:

Myrddin 089-64:

1 00:00 3 3 +5,96 h2g3 d1d4

21 01:48 358.501k 3.314k +M11 h4h5 d1d4 h5h6 d4f4 g7f6 e8d7 h6h7 f4f5 (3314 KNPS)(Mate in 11)
22 01:48 358.873k 3.314k +M11 h4h5 d1d4 h5h6 d4f4 g7f6 e8d7 h6h7 (3313 KNPS)(Mate in 11)
23 01:48 359.621k 3.314k +M11 h4h5 d1d4 h5h6 d4f4 g7f6 e8d7 h6h7 (3313 KNPS)(Mate in 11)
24 01:48 360.488k 3.315k +M11 h4h5 d1d4 h5h6 d4f4 g7f6 e8d7 h6h7 (3314 KNPS)(Mate in 11)
25 01:50 365.846k 3.319k +M11 h4h5 d1d4 h5h6 d4f4 g7f6 e8d7 h6h7 (3318 KNPS)(Mate in 11)
Last edited by chessica on Mon May 08, 2023 8:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Easy Mate compare engines

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Jouni wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:10 pm My result 1 core:

Analysis by The Huntsman 1:

29.h5 Rxd4 30.h6 Rxf4 31.Qf6 Kd7 32.h7 Kc6 33.Qxe6+ Kc5 34.h8Q Kd4 35.Qd8+ Kc3 36.Qdc8+ Kd3 37.Qb3+ Ke4 38.Qc6+ Kxe5 39.Qbd5#
+- (#11) Depth: 24/27 00:00:00 1022kN
Hi, can you post the bench value from your pc?
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Re: Easy Mate compare engines

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SF bench 1,5 Mnps. Something is wrong in your test?
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