Chess System Tal 2 NNUE has been released

[smatovic]

w00t, w00t, ~140MB neural network? Quite some SF 12 started with ~20MB? SF 16 now with ~40MB? Fat T... 2 with 188MB? You guys really have some hardware running

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[mclane]

CSTal has completely crazy evaluations. I have interesting saccing games.

[hammerklavier]

Great News!!! Please Chris & Ed.... Release x64bit version without avx mandatory ... with 64-bit for old cpus, a lot of friends can use yours programs! My Q6600 is still in race! sadly cannot run Rebel 16.2 and Cstal 2 nnue . Thanks a Lot!

[mclane]

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    Motor                                    Punkte  Sh Re CS Dr Lc Cr St Et Dr Wa CS De Ko Ko Ch Bo    S-B
01: ShashChess31-x86-64-avx2 [t8, Petrosian] 19,5/30 ·· == == 0= == 11 == == 1= 11 1= =1 == =1 1= 1=  277,75
02: Rebel-16.2 [t8]                          18,5/30 == ·· == =1 == 1= 1= == 0= =1 1= == 1= =1 =1 ==  270,50
03: CSTal2-v21-E1162-130-EASavx2 [t8]        18,5/30 == == ·· == == == =0 == == =1 == 1= 1= =1 11 11  257,25
04: Dragon-3.1-64bit-avx2 [t8]               18,0/30 1= =0 == ·· == == == 11 == =1 == =1 1= == 0= 11  261,75
05: Lc0 0.29.0 Nvidia RTX 3060 [j92-100]     18,0/30 == == == == ·· == == == 1= == == == =1 =1 =1 11  255,50
06: Crystal_x64_060622_Tactical_E_AVX [t8]   17,0/30 00 0= == == == ·· == 1= == 10 1= == == 11 11 1=  235,75
07: Stockfish15.1_avx2 [t8]                  16,5/30 == 0= =1 == == == ·· 0= == == == =1 11 11 00 1=  240,75
08: Ethereal-14.00-pext-avx2 [t8]            16,5/30 == == == 00 == 0= 1= ·· == == == 1= == == 11 11  230,00
09: Dragon-3.1-64bit-avx2 [t8, mcts]         15,0/30 0= 1= == == 0= == == == ·· 1= == =0 == == 1= ==  221,00
10: Wasp600-windows-avx [t8]                 13,5/30 00 =0 =0 =0 == 01 == == 0= ·· =1 == 0= =1 11 ==  188,50
11: CSTal2-v21-E1019-Elo.avx2 [t8]           13,0/30 0= 0= == == == 0= == == == =0 ·· 1= == 0= == 01  192,75
12: DeepHiarcs15 [t8]                        12,5/30 =0 == 0= =0 == == =0 0= =1 == 0= ·· == == == ==  184,00
13: Komodo-14.1-64bit [t8, mcts]             12,5/30 == 0= 0= 0= =0 == 00 == == 1= == == ·· =0 == =1  179,25
14: Komodo-14.1-64bit [t8]                   12,5/30 =0 =0 =0 == =0 00 00 == == =0 1= == =1 ·· 1= =1  172,00
15: Chiron-5-64bit [t8]                      10,0/30 0= =0 00 1= =0 00 11 00 0= 00 == == == 0= ·· 01  148,25
16: Booot6.5 [t8]                            8,5/30  0= == 00 00 00 0= 0= 00 == == 10 == =0 =0 10 ··  121,50

240 Partien gespielt / Turnier beendet
Name des Turniers: Ryzen9 3950x 2023
Ort/ Land: DESKTOP-D269HUC, Deutschland
Spielstufe: Turnier 40/10
Hardware: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X mit Nvidia Geforce RTX 3060 mit 12 GB Speicher

there is still a problem with books not loaded and cstal not taking enough cores, as it looks.

[Gabor Szots]

How are Rebel and CSTal related? I understand the search is the same but NNUE is different?

[RubiChess]

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    Motor                                    Punkte  Sh Re CS Dr Lc Cr St Et Dr Wa CS De Ko Ko Ch Bo    S-B
01: ShashChess31-x86-64-avx2 [t8, Petrosian] 19,5/30 ·· == == 0= == 11 == == 1= 11 1= =1 == =1 1= 1=  277,75
02: Rebel-16.2 [t8]                          18,5/30 == ·· == =1 == 1= 1= == 0= =1 1= == 1= =1 =1 ==  270,50
03: CSTal2-v21-E1162-130-EASavx2 [t8]        18,5/30 == == ·· == == == =0 == == =1 == 1= 1= =1 11 11  257,25
04: Dragon-3.1-64bit-avx2 [t8]               18,0/30 1= =0 == ·· == == == 11 == =1 == =1 1= == 0= 11  261,75
05: Lc0 0.29.0 Nvidia RTX 3060 [j92-100]     18,0/30 == == == == ·· == == == 1= == == == =1 =1 =1 11  255,50
06: Crystal_x64_060622_Tactical_E_AVX [t8]   17,0/30 00 0= == == == ·· == 1= == 10 1= == == 11 11 1=  235,75
07: Stockfish15.1_avx2 [t8]                  16,5/30 == 0= =1 == == == ·· 0= == == == =1 11 11 00 1=  240,75
08: Ethereal-14.00-pext-avx2 [t8]            16,5/30 == == == 00 == 0= 1= ·· == == == 1= == == 11 11  230,00
09: Dragon-3.1-64bit-avx2 [t8, mcts]         15,0/30 0= 1= == == 0= == == == ·· 1= == =0 == == 1= ==  221,00
10: Wasp600-windows-avx [t8]                 13,5/30 00 =0 =0 =0 == 01 == == 0= ·· =1 == 0= =1 11 ==  188,50
11: CSTal2-v21-E1019-Elo.avx2 [t8]           13,0/30 0= 0= == == == 0= == == == =0 ·· 1= == 0= == 01  192,75
12: DeepHiarcs15 [t8]                        12,5/30 =0 == 0= =0 == == =0 0= =1 == 0= ·· == == == ==  184,00
13: Komodo-14.1-64bit [t8, mcts]             12,5/30 == 0= 0= 0= =0 == 00 == == 1= == == ·· =0 == =1  179,25
14: Komodo-14.1-64bit [t8]                   12,5/30 =0 =0 =0 == =0 00 00 == == =0 1= == =1 ·· 1= =1  172,00
15: Chiron-5-64bit [t8]                      10,0/30 0= =0 00 1= =0 00 11 00 0= 00 == == == 0= ·· 01  148,25
16: Booot6.5 [t8]                            8,5/30  0= == 00 00 00 0= 0= 00 == == 10 == =0 =0 10 ··  121,50

240 Partien gespielt / Turnier beendet
Name des Turniers: Ryzen9 3950x 2023
Ort/ Land: DESKTOP-D269HUC, Deutschland
Spielstufe: Turnier 40/10
Hardware: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X mit Nvidia Geforce RTX 3060 mit 12 GB Speicher

there is still a problem with books not loaded and cstal not taking enough cores, as it looks.

Besides that there is probably a general problem with your setup when Chiron 5 wins game pair against Komodo Dragon and even both games against SF15.1.

[Rebel]

How are Rebel and CSTal related? I understand the search is the same but NNUE is different?

. Search has large overlap, not equal.
. NNUE is totally different.

[mclane]

As we found out now CSTAL used only 1 core of 8 in the tournament. So will repeat the test run with chris w. Engines with 8 cores now.

[IanO]

Queen sacrifices are rare between top engines, enjoy the 3 examples.

https://rebel7775.wixsite.com/rebel/blank-1

At the end of the page.

The widget on that page wasn't working for me, so I'm copying the PGNs here.

[pgn]
[Event ""]
[White "Chess-System-Tal-2.00"]
[Black "Berserk_10"]
[Site ""]
[Round "145"]
[Annotator ""]
[Result "1-0"]
[Date "2023.06.24"]
[PlyCount "141"]
[TimeControl "60"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e3 a6 5. Nf3 b5 6. b3 e6 7. Bd3 Nbd7 8. O-O Bd6 9. Qc2 O-O 10. c5 Bb8 11. Ne2 e5 12. dxe5 Nxe5 13. Nxe5 Bxe5 14. Nd4 Bd7 15. Bb2 Qe7 16. a4 b4 17. a5 Ne4 18. f3 Nxc5 19. Bxh7+ Kh8 20. Bf5 Rac8 21. Rac1 Nb7 22. f4 Bxd4 23. Bxd4 Bxf5 24. Qxf5 Kg8 25. Rf3 Qe6 26. Rg3 Qxf5 27. Rxg7+ Kh8 28. Rxf7+ Kg8 29. Rg7+ Kh8 30. Rf7+ Kg8 31. Rg7+ Kh8 32. Rxb7+ Rf6 33. Rf7 Qd3 34. Rxf6 Kh7 35. h3 Qxb3 36. f5 c5 37. Rf7+ Kh6 38. Kh2 Qa3 39. Bg7+ Kg5 40. Bf6+ Kh6 41. Bg7+ Kg5 42. Bf6+ Kh6 43. Be5 Qxe3 44. Re1 Rf8 45. Rxe3 Rxf7 46. Bd6 d4 47. Re6+ Kh7 48. Bxc5 b3 49. Bxd4 Rxf5 50. Rxa6 Rd5 51. Bc3 Rc5 52. Bf6 Rf5 53. Rb6 Rxa5 54. Rxb3 Rd5 55. g4 Kg6 56. Bb2 Rd7 57. Kg3 Rf7 58. Rb6+ Kh7 59. h4 Rf1 60. Rb7+ Kg8 61. h5 Rh1 62. Kf4 Rh2 63. Kf5 Rg2 64. g5 Kf8 65. Ke6 Re2+ 66. Be5 Rxe5+ 67. Kxe5 Ke8 68. g6 Kd8 69. g7 Kc8 70. Rf7 Kb8 71. g8=Q# 1-0

[Event ""]
[White "SlowChess_2.9"]
[Black "Chess-System-Tal-2.00"]
[Site ""]
[Round "54"]
[Annotator ""]
[Result "0-1"]
[Date "2023.06.24"]
[PlyCount "291"]
[TimeControl "60"]

1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nc3 d6 4. f4 a6 5. Nf3 b5 6. Bd3 Nd7 7. a4 b4 8. Ne2 a5 9. O-O c5 10. Bb5 Qc7 11. e5 Nh6 12. e6 fxe6 13. Ng5 O-O 14. Nxe6 Qa7 15. Nxf8 Nxf8 16. c3 cxd4 17. Nxd4 Nf5 18. Rf2 Nxd4 19. Be3 Nfe6 20. Rc1 Rb8 21. Kh1 bxc3 22. bxc3 Bf6 23. Rfc2 Nxb5 24. Bxa7 Nxa7 25. Rb1 Rxb1 26. Qxb1 Nc6 27. Qb3 Kf8 28. Rb2 Ned8 29. Qc4 h5 30. Rb6 Bd7 31. h3 Kg7 32. Qd3 h4 33. Qf3 Kh7 34. Kh2 Kg7 35. Kh1 Kh7 36. Kg1 Kg7 37. Kh2 Kh7 38. g4 hxg3+ 39. Kxg3 Kh6 40. h4 Kg7 41. Qd3 Ne6 42. Qd5 Ned8 43. Qf3 Kf8 44. Ra6 Kg7 45. h5 gxh5 46. Qxh5 Bxc3 47. Qg5+ Kf7 48. Ra8 Bf6 49. Qh5+ Kg7 50. Kh2 Be6 51. Qe2 Bd7 52. Qg2+ Kf7 53. Qe4 Kf8 54. Qh7 Be6 55. Qc2 Bd7 56. Qe4 Bb2 57. Qh7 Bc3 58. Qh6+ Bg7 59. Qg6 Bb2 60. Qh5 Bf6 61. Qd5 Kg7 62. Qg2+ Kf7 63. Qe4 Kf8 64. Kh1 Kg7 65. Qg2+ Kf7 66. Qd5+ Kf8 67. Qh5 Kg7 68. Kh2 Be6 69. Qe2 Bd7 70. Qd3 Kf8 71. Qe4 Bb2 72. Kh1 Bf6 73. Qd5 Kg7 74. Qd3 Kf8 75. Qd5 Kg7 76. Kh2 Kf8 77. Qh5 Kg7 78. Kg1 Bd4+ 79. Kh2 Bf6 80. Qd1 Bf5 81. Qd5 Bd7 82. Qf3 Kf8 83. Qd3 Kg7 84. Qd5 Kf8 85. Kg2 Kg7 86. Qd3 Kf7 87. Kh1 Kf8 88. Qe4 Kg7 89. Qf3 Kf8 90. Qh5 Kg7 91. Qe2 Nd4 92. Qg2+ Kf7 93. Qd5+ Kg7 94. Qxa5 N8e6 95. Kh2 Nxf4 96. Qd8 Bc6 97. a5 Kh6 98. Rc8 Bd5 99. Kg1 Nf3+ 100. Kf2 Kh5 101. Kg3 Nd3 102. Qe8+ Kg5 103. Qg8+ Bxg8 104. Rxg8+ Kf5 105. a6 Bd4 106. Kxf3 Nb4 107. Rg4 Nc6 108. Kg3 Ke5 109. Rg5+ Ke6 110. Rh5 Bc5 111. Kg4 Ne5+ 112. Kf4 Kd5 113. Rh1 Nc6 114. Rb1 e5+ 115. Kg4 Bd4 116. Rb7 e4 117. Kf4 Bc5 118. Rb1 Ba7 119. Rd1+ Bd4 120. Rc1 e3 121. Rd1 Kc5 122. Rb1 d5 123. Kf3 Kc4 124. Rh1 Nb4 125. Ra1 Ba7 126. Rh1 Nxa6 127. Rd1 Nb4 128. Ra1 Bc5 129. Rg1 d4 130. Rg4 Nd5 131. Re4 Ba7 132. Rg4 Nc3 133. Rg7 Bc5 134. Rg4 Kd3 135. Rg5 e2 136. Re5 Kd2 137. Kg4 d3 138. Rxc5 e1=Q 139. Ra5 Kc2 140. Rh5 Qe2+ 141. Kg5 d2 142. Rh1 Qg2+ 143. Kf6 Qxh1 144. Kg6 d1=Q 145. Kg5 Qdd5+ 146. Kf6 0-1

[Event ""]
[White "Stockfish_12"]
[Black "Chess-System-Tal-2.00"]
[Site ""]
[Round "166"]
[Annotator ""]
[Result "0-1"]
[Date "2023.06.24"]
[PlyCount "167"]
[TimeControl "60"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. g3 b6 4. Bg2 c6 5. e4 d5 6. e5 Nfd7 7. cxd5 cxd5 8. Nc3 Nc6 9. Nge2 Be7 10. O-O O-O 11. f4 Ba6 12. f5 Rc8 13. Bh3 exf5 14. Rxf5 Ndxe5 15. dxe5 d4 16. Ne4 d3 17. N2c3 Nd4 18. Rf2 Ne2+ 19. Kh1 Bc5 20. Rf1 Bd4 21. e6 Bxc3 22. exf7+ Kh8 23. bxc3 Bb7 24. Bg2 Qd5 25. Rf2 Qxe4 26. Bxe4 Bxe4+ 27. Rg2 Rxf7 28. Be3 Rf3 29. Bg1 Rf6 30. Qa4 Bc6 31. Qa6 Rd8 32. Qc4 b5 33. Qc5 Rc8 34. Qxa7 Rg6 35. Qe3 h5 36. Qe5 Rf8 37. Qxh5+ Rh6 38. Qg5 Rff6 39. Be3 Kg8 40. Qe5 Rhg6 41. a4 bxa4 42. Qc5 Kh7 43. Rb1 Be4 44. Qh5+ Kg8 45. Qc5 Kh7 46. Qe5 Bc6 47. Qh5+ Kg8 48. Qc5 Kh7 49. Qc4 Rf3 50. Bg5 Rd6 51. Qh4+ Kg8 52. Qc4+ Kh7 53. Qc5 Rg6 54. g4 a3 55. Ra1 Re6 56. Qc4 Rg6 57. Re1 Kh8 58. Rb1 Kh7 59. Ra1 a2 60. Qc5 Re6 61. Qc4 Rg6 62. Rd1 Bb7 63. Qb4 Bd5 64. c4 Bc6 65. Qc5 Nc3 66. Kg1 Nxd1 67. Rxa2 Nc3 68. Rf2 Rxf2 69. Qxf2 Rxg5 70. Qe3 Rxg4+ 71. Kf1 Bg2+ 72. Kg1 Nd1 73. Qxd3+ Be4+ 74. Qg3 Rxg3+ 75. hxg3 Kg6 76. c5 Bc6 77. Kf1 Nc3 78. Kf2 Ne4+ 79. Ke1 Kf5 80. Ke2 Nxg3+ 81. Kd3 Kf4 82. Kc4 g5 83. Kb4 Nf5 84. Ka5 0-1
[/pgn]

[mclane]

results of my 8 core machine. no specific opening books but permanent brain and 4 core each.

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    Motor                                    Punkte    CS   Et   CS   Dr   Re   St   Dr   Be   Lc   Wa   De   Bo   Pe   Ko   Ko   Lc   Ch   De   Eq   De   CS   Co    S-B
01: CSTal2-v21-E1019-Elo-avx2 [t4]           64,5/84 ···· ==== ==== 01== ==== 10=1 ==== ===1 ==1= 111= 1111 101= 1111 111= 1=== 1111 =111 11=1 1111 1111 1111 1111  2382,2
02: Ethereal-14.00-pext-avx2 [t4]            63,5/84 ==== ···· ==== 01== ==== 1==1 ==== ==== =1== 111= =1== =1== 1111 1111 1111 1=11 1110 1111 0111 1111 1111 1111  2355,0
03: CSTal2-v21-E1162-130-EAS-avx2 [t4]       63,5/84 ==== ==== ···· ==== =1== 0=== 11== 1=0= ===1 11== 111= 1111 1==1 =111 1=1= 111= ==11 1111 1=11 1111 1111 1111  2352,5
04: Dragon-3.1-64bit-avx2 [t4]               62,5/84 10== 10== ==== ···· ==== ==11 ==0= ==01 1=11 1=10 ==11 1=== 1101 1==1 11== 1111 1111 1111 =111 1111 1111 1111  2300,2
05: Rebel-16.2 [t4]                          60,5/84 ==== ==== =0== ==== ···· 0==0 0=01 ===1 ==== 1==1 1==1 1=== 1==1 1=11 1=1= 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111  2152,5
06: Stockfish15.1-avx2 [t4]                  59,5/84 01=0 0==0 1=== ==00 1==1 ···· 11== ==0= 101= 1110 1111 1101 1=11 101= 1100 110= 1101 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111  2172,0
07: Dragon-3.1-64bit-avx2 [t4, mcts]         58,5/84 ==== ==== 00== ==1= 1=10 00== ···· ==== =100 1111 =011 11=1 ===1 ===1 11== 1111 11=1 1==1 =111 1111 1111 1111  2116,7
08: Berserk-11-x64-avx2-pext [t4]            57,0/84 ===0 ==== 0=1= ==10 ===0 ==1= ==== ···· ==== 1=== =0== 1=== 1=1= =1=1 1=1= 1=1= 1111 1=11 1111 11=1 1111 1111  2063,7
09: Lc0 0.29.0 rc1 radeon gpu dx12 [753723]  55,0/84 ==0= =0== ===0 0=00 ==== 010= =011 ==== ···· =11= ==11 10=1 1=== 110= 111= 1=11 1=11 1=1= =111 1=11 1111 1111  1951,2
10: Wasp600-win-avx [t4]                     45,0/84 000= 000= 00== 0=01 0==0 0001 0000 0=== =00= ···· =0=0 ==== =0== ==== 11=1 1111 111= 1111 11=1 1111 1111 1111  1394,0
11: DeepHiarcs15.0 [t4]                      41,5/84 0000 =0== 000= ==00 0==0 0000 =100 =1== ==00 =1=1 ···· ===1 =1== 011= ===1 0=== =1=0 ==== 111= =111 =1=1 1111  1396,7
12: Booot7 [t4]                              41,0/84 010= =0== 0000 0=== 0=== 0010 00=0 0=== 01=0 ==== ===0 ···· =1=1 00== =1== 0011 1=00 ===1 1=11 =111 1111 1=11  1396,0
13: Pedone3.1_avx2 [t4]                      39,5/84 0000 0000 0==0 0010 0==0 0=00 ===0 0=0= 0=== =1== =0== =0=0 ···· ==== =111 ===0 1=1= =1== 111= 1=11 11=1 1111  1247,0
14: Komodo-14.1-64bit [t4, mcts]             39,0/84 000= 0000 =000 0==0 0=00 010= ===0 =0=0 001= ==== 100= 11== ==== ···· =11= =0=0 11== 11== 1==1 0111 101= 1111  1283,5
15: Komodo-14.1-64bit [t4]                   34,5/84 0=== 0000 0=0= 00== 0=0= 0011 00== 0=0= 000= 00=0 ===0 =0== =000 =00= ···· 1111 1001 1110 10=0 1101 0111 1111  1139,7
16: Lc0 0.29.0 rc1 radeon gpu dx12 [j94-130] 30,5/84 0000 0=00 000= 0000 0000 001= 0000 0=0= 0=00 0000 1=== 1100 ===1 =1=1 0000 ···· =101 0=10 1101 =110 1101 1111  909,25
17: Chiron-5-64bit [t4]                      28,5/84 =000 0001 ==00 0000 0000 0010 00=0 0000 0=00 000= =0=1 0=11 0=0= 00== 0110 =010 ···· 1==0 =01= 1==1 ==1= 1111  867,25
18: DeepShredder13UCIx64 [t4, buffer6]       24,0/84 00=0 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0==0 0=00 0=0= 0000 ==== ===0 =0== 00== 0001 1=01 0==1 ···· 10=1 =0=0 1==1 1101  708,75
19: Equinox 3.30-x64 [t4]                    22,0/84 0000 1000 0=00 =000 0000 0000 =000 0000 =000 00=0 000= 0=00 000= 0==0 01=1 0010 =10= 01=0 ···· 10== 1=1= 1111  604,50
20: Deep Rybka 4.1 x64 [t4]                  16,5/84 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 00=0 0=00 0000 =000 =000 0=00 1000 0010 =001 0==0 =1=1 01== ···· =001 0111  412,25
21: CSTal3 5'                                14,0/84 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 =0=0 0000 00=0 010= 1000 0010 ==0= 0==0 0=0= =110 ···· 0111  325,25
22: Colossus2022a [t4]                       3,5/84  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0=00 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0010 0000 1000 1000 ····   75,00

924 Partien gespielt / Turnier beendet
Name des Turniers: Ryzen7 5700
Ort/ Land: LAPTOP-JTQQP8M7, Deutschland
Spielstufe: Turnier 40/5
Hardware: AMD Ryzen 7 5700U with Radeon Graphics  mit 4.096 MB Speicher