Father Grand-Father or Catecan versus Srockfish man versus Machine

[lkaufman]

Hello:

https://lichess.org/nstiOQbM

[pgn][Event "Casual Bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/nstiOQbM"]
[Date "2023.05.28"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "lichess AI level 8"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2023.05.28"]
[UTCTime "14:12:23"]
[WhiteElo "1938"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[Variant "Standard"]
[TimeControl "30+0"]
[ECO "A45"]
[Opening "Indian Defense"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 Nf6 { A45 Indian Defense } 2. e3 e6 3. f4 c5 4. Nf3 d5 5. c3 Bd6 6. Bd3 O-O 7. O-O b6 8. a3 Nc6 9. Re1 Bb7 10. Qe2 Qc7 11. Ba6 Bxa6 12. Qxa6 c4 13. Qa4 a5 14. Qc2 Ne4 15. Re2 b5 16. g3 f5 17. Rg2 b4 18. Nbd2 b3 19. Qd1 Ne7 20. Nf1 g6 21. Bd2 h6 22. Be1 g5 23. Qe2 g4 24. Nh4 Kg7 25. Kh1 Ng8 26. Kg1 Be7 27. Kh1 Kh7 28. Kg1 Rae8 29. Kh1 h5 30. Kg1 Bxh4 31. gxh4 Ngf6 32. Bg3 Qd8 33. Qe1 Re7 34. Kh1 Rd7 35. Kg1 Rdf7 36. Kh1 Kg6 37. Kg1 Re8 38. Rc1 Qc7 39. Kh1 Ref8 40. Kg1 Re8 41. Kh1 Qc6 42. Kg1 Qb7 43. Kh1 Rd8 44. Kg1 Rdd7 45. Kh1 a4 46. Kg1 Qa8 47. Kh1 Ne8 48. Kg1 N8f6 49. Kh1 Kh6 50. Kg1 Qb8 51. Kh1 Qa8 52. Kg1 e5 53. fxe5 f4 54. exf4 Nd2 55. Qxd2 Ne4 56. Qe3 Nd2 57. Qxd2 Rd6 58. f5+ Kh7 59. Qg5 Ra6 60. f6 Ra5 61. Qxh5+ Kg8 62. Qg5+ Rg7 63. Qxg4 Rb5 64. Qxg7# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0[/pgn]

I do not know which 'SF level 8' surprises me more: 52.- ..., e5, 62.- ..., Rg7 or 63.- ..., Rb5.

Regards from Spain.

Ajedrecista.

I think that level 8 is set to take too much time to play one minute bullet with no increment, and once its time drops below some tiny amount it probably just plays the first move on its list or something equally silly. You either have to give it one second increment, raise the time to 2 minutes, or perhaps set it at a lower level like 6 for it to move fast enough to avoid this nonsense. They should not let any level play games at a time limit that is too fast for that level to play at, or make the levels speed up if necessary.

Larry. I did it. I played leve 8 in lichess control time 2+2 and the machine colapsed and resigned by itself.

https://lichess.org/CMsuVz4q

This shows the other problem with Lichess Stockfish, it is apparently set to quit or resign after 150 moves. It didn't make any blunder or bad error, it just stopped playing. I wouldn't call this a victory over stockfish, just over lichess, but you did legitimately get a draw in this game with Stockfish playing with ample time and at a level beyond even Magnus Carlsen. So you have demonstrated a flaw in Stockfish, in that it allows the position to become hopelessly blocked and therefore drawn even though it had a winning advantage earlier. If you keep playing against Lichess Stockfish, you just have to accept that it is playing as if there were a rule that said that the game is drawn in 150 moves no matter what. It's not a true rule in chess, just a lichess rule at least when stockfish is playing.

[BrendanJNorman]

The way that mean people respond to posts like this pisses me off a little.

The way some jump to pile on and belittle Stockfish Level 8 as a way of downgrading father's achievement is nasty as hell.

Is it so difficult just to be nice? Or at least silent?

This "grandfather" dude has been playing against engines and posting here for so long, that he's probably a great-grandfather by now.

Even if you don't like the "block everything and wait" strategy (I hate it, and consider it "anti-chess" in some way), it is at least as interesting as the 9000 Stockfish clones being posted here.

Also, blocking the position these days takes a hell of a lot of skill.

I am a decent chessplayer with a blitz rating ranging anywhere from 2290ish to my 2490 all-time high. And I have never beaten Stockfish on level 8, only achieving a draw against level 7 after many tries.

Granted, I play conventional chess, and not some anti-computer ugliness though.

Most people hating on "father" would do much worse.

The obsession with "bleeding edge Stockfish dev 4324i9032u423 on 9000 cores" (and LACK of real chess) is blurring your vision of reality.

[Father]

Hello BrendanJ Norman.

Thank you very much for your message, for the words of the message and the meaning inherent in it. I ask God for the best for you today, tomorrow and always. I have read your message since it was published and the happiness that the message gives to my soul transcends time. I take this opportunity to convey to you the synthesis and conclusion that many thousands of hours throughout my life have irrevocably taught me in relation to the heart and root or essence of chess programs and the power of cybernetic thought, namely: "The machine It is not aware of its own existence. It will never be. It lacks a soul, it is an every day more perfect imitator. I am not afraid of artificial intelligence. It will never distinguish between truth and lie.
The smallest act of love is worth more than all the entire universes.

I am still alive and even thanks to the creator of heaven and earth, I possess my body, my mind and my soul, with strength and desire to Fly, in my 62 years old.

God bless you,

Beat Regards,
Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Father and Grand-Father Play chess usser.

[smatovic]

[...]
The smallest act of love is worth more than all the entire universes.
[...]

I would like to add:

1 Corinthians 13
https://www.bibleserver.com/KJV/1%20Corinthians13

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

and:
The Omikron Device
https://epsilon.app26.de/post/the-omikron-device/

If we consider a Cosmic Consciousness, and that "Mysticism is the perception of the universe and all of its seemingly disparate entities existing in a unified whole bound together by love.", can a machine experience love in this mystical sense and unify with God?

--
Srdja

[Father]

https://lichess.org/W7CCJRSf/white#245

Greetings and thanks to my parents, friends and relatives who passed away from my homeland Colombia today July 20. I dedicate to you an elementary game of chess against artificial intelligence, which as a human I have played aware of my fragility versus an entity incapable of knowing that it exists.

Best regards,

Pablo Ignacio Resttepo

[Father]

https://lichess.org/W7CCJRSf/white#245

Greetings and thanks to my parents, friends and relatives who passed away from my homeland Colombia today July 20. I dedicate to you an elementary game of chess against artificial intelligence, which as a human I have played aware of my fragility versus an entity incapable of knowing that it exists.

Best regards,

Pablo Ignacio Resttepo

https://lichess.org/UYu1aloJ4vxC

https://lichess.org/dF9K31PgF7pv


Dear Science Game Advocate Community.
Having become familiar with the human comprehension of chess games at a time control of 15 seconds per game plus one second increment for each move, I want to offer whoever so wishes to test their computer chess programs. I present to you and leave at your disposal for the
study, two examples by me played against artificial intelligence stockfish, where the computer reached a draw playing with the white pieces and a loss with the black pieces. The clashes happened just a few minutes ago in lichess.
sincerely,
greets you wishing the
better to each of you,
Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Father and Grand-Father playchess

[Father]

Hello:

https://lichess.org/nstiOQbM

[pgn][Event "Casual Bullet game"] [Site "https://lichess.org/nstiOQbM"] [Date "2023.05.28"] [White "Catecan"] [Black "lichess AI level 8"] [Result "1-0"] [UTCDate "2023.05.28"] [UTCTime "14:12:23"] [WhiteElo "1938"] [BlackElo "?"] [Variant "Standard"] [TimeControl "30+0"] [ECO "A45"] [Opening "Indian Defense"] [Termination "Normal"] [Annotator "lichess.org"] 1. d4 Nf6 { A45 Indian Defense } 2. e3 e6 3. f4 c5 4. Nf3 d5 5. c3 Bd6 6. Bd3 O-O 7. O-O b6 8. a3 Nc6 9. Re1 Bb7 10. Qe2 Qc7 11. Ba6 Bxa6 12. Qxa6 c4 13. Qa4 a5 14. Qc2 Ne4 15. Re2 b5 16. g3 f5 17. Rg2 b4 18. Nbd2 b3 19. Qd1 Ne7 20. Nf1 g6 21. Bd2 h6 22. Be1 g5 23. Qe2 g4 24. Nh4 Kg7 25. Kh1 Ng8 26. Kg1 Be7 27. Kh1 Kh7 28. Kg1 Rae8 29. Kh1 h5 30. Kg1 Bxh4 31. gxh4 Ngf6 32. Bg3 Qd8 33. Qe1 Re7 34. Kh1 Rd7 35. Kg1 Rdf7 36. Kh1 Kg6 37. Kg1 Re8 38. Rc1 Qc7 39. Kh1 Ref8 40. Kg1 Re8 41. Kh1 Qc6 42. Kg1 Qb7 43. Kh1 Rd8 44. Kg1 Rdd7 45. Kh1 a4 46. Kg1 Qa8 47. Kh1 Ne8 48. Kg1 N8f6 49. Kh1 Kh6 50. Kg1 Qb8 51. Kh1 Qa8 52. Kg1 e5 53. fxe5 f4 54. exf4 Nd2 55. Qxd2 Ne4 56. Qe3 Nd2 57. Qxd2 Rd6 58. f5+ Kh7 59. Qg5 Ra6 60. f6 Ra5 61. Qxh5+ Kg8 62. Qg5+ Rg7 63. Qxg4 Rb5 64. Qxg7# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0[/pgn]

I do not know which 'SF level 8' surprises me more: 52.- ..., e5, 62.- ..., Rg7 or 63.- ..., Rb5.

Regards from Spain.

Ajedrecista.

https://lichess.org/qjRMzEkIOCjv

Señor Ajedrecista. Le dedico a Usted y a la amada Patria “ España” este juego de ajedrez ♟️ en los que reduje al ordenador stockfish a un empate en un control de tiempo de cero segundos por partida más in segundo de tiempo por movimiento. Próximamente te compartiré una victoria, Dios mediante
Feliz día y semana le deseo.
Cordialmente,
Pablo Ignacio Restrepo


Mr. Chess Player

https://lichess.org/qjRMzEkIOCjv

Thanks for your support and comments. I want you to be the first person targeted in a chess game against chess computers with the fearsome artificial intelligence. Stockfish only reached an agonizing draw at a time control level of 0 + 1 seconds per move. My brain as a human being cornered the always caught computer. My spirit and soul travel at the speed of the human soul pendant, which is incomprehensible to machines. It took one second per play to break the artificial intelligence. The evidence surpasses the fiction and the insults of ignorance.
Beat regards,
Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Father and Grand-Father Playchess
https://lichess.org/qjRMzEkIOCjv

Note. Please help me to place my supplied games in the links with moves and diagrams. Thanks in advance.

[Father]

Hello:

https://lichess.org/nstiOQbM

[pgn][Event "Casual Bullet game"] [Site "https://lichess.org/nstiOQbM"] [Date "2023.05.28"] [White "Catecan"] [Black "lichess AI level 8"] [Result "1-0"] [UTCDate "2023.05.28"] [UTCTime "14:12:23"] [WhiteElo "1938"] [BlackElo "?"] [Variant "Standard"] [TimeControl "30+0"] [ECO "A45"] [Opening "Indian Defense"] [Termination "Normal"] [Annotator "lichess.org"] 1. d4 Nf6 { A45 Indian Defense } 2. e3 e6 3. f4 c5 4. Nf3 d5 5. c3 Bd6 6. Bd3 O-O 7. O-O b6 8. a3 Nc6 9. Re1 Bb7 10. Qe2 Qc7 11. Ba6 Bxa6 12. Qxa6 c4 13. Qa4 a5 14. Qc2 Ne4 15. Re2 b5 16. g3 f5 17. Rg2 b4 18. Nbd2 b3 19. Qd1 Ne7 20. Nf1 g6 21. Bd2 h6 22. Be1 g5 23. Qe2 g4 24. Nh4 Kg7 25. Kh1 Ng8 26. Kg1 Be7 27. Kh1 Kh7 28. Kg1 Rae8 29. Kh1 h5 30. Kg1 Bxh4 31. gxh4 Ngf6 32. Bg3 Qd8 33. Qe1 Re7 34. Kh1 Rd7 35. Kg1 Rdf7 36. Kh1 Kg6 37. Kg1 Re8 38. Rc1 Qc7 39. Kh1 Ref8 40. Kg1 Re8 41. Kh1 Qc6 42. Kg1 Qb7 43. Kh1 Rd8 44. Kg1 Rdd7 45. Kh1 a4 46. Kg1 Qa8 47. Kh1 Ne8 48. Kg1 N8f6 49. Kh1 Kh6 50. Kg1 Qb8 51. Kh1 Qa8 52. Kg1 e5 53. fxe5 f4 54. exf4 Nd2 55. Qxd2 Ne4 56. Qe3 Nd2 57. Qxd2 Rd6 58. f5+ Kh7 59. Qg5 Ra6 60. f6 Ra5 61. Qxh5+ Kg8 62. Qg5+ Rg7 63. Qxg4 Rb5 64. Qxg7# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0[/pgn]

I do not know which 'SF level 8' surprises me more: 52.- ..., e5, 62.- ..., Rg7 or 63.- ..., Rb5.

Regards from Spain.

Ajedrecista.

https://lichess.org/qjRMzEkIOCjv

Señor Ajedrecista. Le dedico a Usted y a la amada Patria “ España” este juego de ajedrez ♟️ en los que reduje al ordenador stockfish a un empate en un control de tiempo de cero segundos por partida más in segundo de tiempo por movimiento. Próximamente te compartiré una victoria, Dios mediante
Feliz día y semana le deseo.
Cordialmente,
Pablo Ignacio Restrepo


Mr. Chess Player

https://lichess.org/qjRMzEkIOCjv

Thanks for your support and comments. I want you to be the first person targeted in a chess game against chess computers with the fearsome artificial intelligence. Stockfish only reached an agonizing draw at a time control level of 0 + 1 seconds per move. My brain as a human being cornered the always caught computer. My spirit and soul travel at the speed of the human soul pendant, which is incomprehensible to machines. It took one second per play to break the artificial intelligence. The evidence surpasses the fiction and the insults of ignorance.
Beat regards,
Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Father and Grand-Father Playchess
https://lichess.org/qjRMzEkIOCjv

Note. Please help me to place my supplied games in the links with moves and diagrams. Thanks in advance.

Father 1 Stockfish 0
Control time: 0 + 1 second.

https://lichess.org/Jz9NvU12

Sincerely,

Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Anti IA chess player
Father and Grand-Father chess player
Talkchess

[Ajedrecista]

Hello Pablo:

There is no doubt that you really know how to block the game, plus the little help from LiChess to anyone daring to reach 150 moves, as pointed by Larry.

I want to clarify something: when I replied to your original post, I somewhat complained about SF strange moves, not about your skills, which I really find amazing: you easily play your «sota, caballo y rey» (*) blocking style in no time while many are unable and their defences collapse in few moves like a house of cards in a whirlwind.

Summarizing: thumbs up for your achievements and thumbs down for some limitations of LiChess like the 150-move limit and the time management.

Having said that: I visit LiChess daily or almost daily as a guest for play against other guests, solve puzzles or watch some broadcasted events; and my opinion on the site is ★★★★★. Simply spectacular. Very minor things do not blur this masterpiece.

(*) For non Spanish speakers, an equivalence could be 'same old, same old' or 'always the same'.

Regards from Spain.

Ajedrecista.