Hans Niemann

[Chessqueen]

Imho, caught a cheater, always a cheater! Hang him out to dry!

W H A T he is Passing, Checking his *SS, NO that did NOT happened ===> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/q9cBnR5LWfc
C H E S S speak for itself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJAmc9igOKM&t=2s

[Collingwood]

In the last round, Niemann lost with the White pieces against Nesterov.

Nesterov is a 2575-elo GM, ....

The way I read the crosstable, Niemann had to win to get first because of the tiebreaks. If you look at that final game, Niemann spurred a draw by repetition and 'went for it'. I would have done the same - no one gets a "World Champion" title by finishing 2nd.

No. I believe it was already impossible for Niemann to get first even with a win. His TB score would've been too bad.

The two co-leaders played each other in the final round and drew; if either had won, they would have won the tournament outright. The tournament winner (i.e. the Champion) was among the leaders the whole tournament, which meant that he had the hardest opponents (that's how pairings work when it's not all-play-all), so his TB score was always going to be good. Presumably he was perfectly happy with a draw precisely for that reason: he knew it would give him the title.

Because he lost early to the 13-year-old IM, Niemann's opponents from then on were mainly badly performing players, so his TB score was bad.

Of course, it's possible Niemann didn't know that he could not win, if players had to work out TB scenarios themselves. But the bigger point is that everyone in the chasing pack was in the same situation as him. This is a common scenario in open tournaments, and no harder on him than on countless other GMs of his level.

[CornfedForever]

In the last round, Niemann lost with the White pieces against Nesterov.

Nesterov is a 2575-elo GM, ....

The way I read the crosstable, Niemann had to win to get first because of the tiebreaks. If you look at that final game, Niemann spurred a draw by repetition and 'went for it'. I would have done the same - no one gets a "World Champion" title by finishing 2nd.

No. I believe it was already impossible for Niemann to get first even with a win. His TB score would've been too bad.

The two co-leaders played each other in the final round and drew; if either had won, they would have won the tournament outright. The tournament winner (i.e. the Champion) was among the leaders the whole tournament, which meant that he had the hardest opponents (that's how pairings work when it's not all-play-all), so his TB score was always going to be good. Presumably he was perfectly happy with a draw precisely for that reason: he knew it would give him the title.

Because he lost early to the 13-year-old IM, Niemann's opponents from then on were mainly badly performing players, so his TB score was bad.

Of course, it's possible Niemann didn't know that he could not win, if players had to work out TB scenarios themselves. But the bigger point is that everyone in the chasing pack was in the same situation as him. This is a common scenario in open tournaments, and no harder on him than on countless other GMs of his level.

I turned down a draw offer in our State Championship once...would have given me the title, but I calculated the TB wrong there. Crap happens.

[Chessqueen]

In the last round, Niemann lost with the White pieces against Nesterov.

Nesterov is a 2575-elo GM, ....

The way I read the crosstable, Niemann had to win to get first because of the tiebreaks. If you look at that final game, Niemann spurred a draw by repetition and 'went for it'. I would have done the same - no one gets a "World Champion" title by finishing 2nd.

No. I believe it was already impossible for Niemann to get first even with a win. His TB score would've been too bad.

The two co-leaders played each other in the final round and drew; if either had won, they would have won the tournament outright. The tournament winner (i.e. the Champion) was among the leaders the whole tournament, which meant that he had the hardest opponents (that's how pairings work when it's not all-play-all), so his TB score was always going to be good. Presumably he was perfectly happy with a draw precisely for that reason: he knew it would give him the title.

Because he lost early to the 13-year-old IM, Niemann's opponents from then on were mainly badly performing players, so his TB score was bad.

Age does NOT mean anything, GM Niemann was probably tire, against the 13 years old, and GM Aronian is twice older than GM Niemann as well ==> https://2700chess.com/live

[M ANSARI]

I think cheating in chess is at epidemic levels ... especially online where it is easier to get away with it. As Chess becomes more popular, larger prize funds are going to increase the incentive for cheating. An already strong GM really doesn't need much help to totally crush even the strongest Super GM. Just a hint here or there ... or even just a "tell" that there is a major move in a certain position is probably worth several hundred ELO points. It is the unfortunate truth. We have already seen what Kramnik thinks that at least 25% of online games have engine assitance ... and here is Dubov's take on the issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQuQl3_Jgrw

[CornfedForever]

Age does NOT mean anything, GM Niemann was probably tire, against the 13 years old, and GM Aronian is twice older than GM Niemann as well ==> https://2700chess.com/live

Do you play OTB? I turn 60 this month...still play OTB and I can tell you that age does mean something...late in a game or late in a tournament.

[Chessqueen]

Age does NOT mean anything, GM Niemann was probably tire, against the 13 years old, and GM Aronian is twice older than GM Niemann as well ==> https://2700chess.com/live

Do you play OTB? I turn 60 this month...still play OTB and I can tell you that age does mean something...late in a game or late in a tournament.

I am 64 years old going on 65 in February, I do NOT get tire at all, I walk 3 miles daily and I still am active sexually as much as when I was 20
NOTE: People here always talk bad about GM Hans, but he is very very strong, he beat Aronian and tie against GM SO https://2700chess.com/live

[CornfedForever]

Age does NOT mean anything, GM Niemann was probably tire, against the 13 years old, and GM Aronian is twice older than GM Niemann as well ==> https://2700chess.com/live

Do you play OTB? I turn 60 this month...still play OTB and I can tell you that age does mean something...late in a game or late in a tournament.

I am 64 years old going on 65 in February, I do NOT get tire at all, I walk 3 miles daily and I still am active sexually as much as when I was 20
NOTE: People here always talk bad about GM Hans, but he is very very strong, he beat Aronian and tie against GM SO https://2700chess.com/live

That wasn't a 'yes' or a 'no' but I'll take it as a 'yes'.
Even Super GM's admit to getting tired later in their 1 game a day tourneys.
The tourneys I play in are mostly 4-5 games a day. It's a real thing. You are either unique or...well...
Oh, and Hans can lose to much weaker players at the same time...heck, he seems to have gotten tired late in his game on Sunday...blundered his queen to a ...weaker player.

[AdminX]

Watched this, this morning ....

GothamChess Drama Explained by GM Ben Finegold

https://youtu.be/_hddegkfojg?si=2nH8hmVK3mYM3EPg

But this was a much better discussion.

Why 50% of Players Could Be Cheating

https://youtu.be/g9vG9yO5lZA?si=47h9tVK1Lbb4NTil

[CornfedForever]

Watched this, this morning ....

GothamChess Drama Explained by GM Ben Finegold

https://youtu.be/_hddegkfojg?si=2nH8hmVK3mYM3EPg

But this was a much better discussion.

Why 50% of Players Could Be Cheating

https://youtu.be/g9vG9yO5lZA?si=47h9tVK1Lbb4NTil

Ben is right (as usual), both are wrong. But that's living in the 'social media age' for you...

The Fabi/Christian via Nakamura Video...tend to side more with Naka's numbers.

Which reminds me, if anyone saw Danny Rench's STATE OF CHESS broadcast yesterday, he talked a LOT about cheating. He gently eviscerated that world renowned statistician named Kramnik, for falsehoods (my word there) he is throwing around. He actually fell on the Nakamura side of that Titled Tuesday 'debate', but said even his numbers are too high. As a side note to that, I mentioned to Kramnik in his new blog, that Chess.com does indeed tell how many titled players accounts are closed each month...he said that was news to him and asked someone to show him that. This...from the guy who made a blog on chess.com SPECIFICALLY to go off on all the cheating he feels is going on and chess.com is...basically covering up. Priceless.

Anyway, wasn't in Madonna who famously said a few decades ago: 'I don't care what they say about me as long as they are talking about me' ? Something like that anyway. It's here - welcome to the future.