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chessica
Posts: 963Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:30 pmFull name: Esmeralda Pinto
Post by chessica Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:37 pm
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My first tournament after what felt like 30 years.
My pc:
AMD ATHON II X4
Windows 10 64 bit
1 thread
04.11.2023 17:31:42 :
Program Elo + - Games Score Av.Op. Draws
1 SF-PB-221023 : 3965 55 51 90 73.9 % 3784 45.6 %
2 Stockfish dev20230811-81929458 : 3947 53 50 90 71.7 % 3786 47.8 %
3 Crystal-6-pmt : 3914 44 38 90 67.2 % 3789 63.3 %
4 Cfish 060821 : 3903 46 42 90 65.6 % 3791 60.0 %
5 Berserk-11.1 : 3809 55 55 90 51.1 % 3801 42.2 %
6 RubiChess-20230410_sse2 : 3809 46 46 90 51.1 % 3801 60.0 %
7 Berserk 12 : 3749 54 55 90 41.7 % 3808 43.3 %
8 Minic_3.32 : 3694 58 59 90 33.3 % 3814 37.8 %
9 Ethereal-14-gcc : 3621 62 65 90 23.9 % 3822 32.2 %
10 Komodo-12.1.1
Now it's finished.
jhonnold
Posts: 122Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:16 pmFull name: Jay Honnold
Post by jhonnold Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:03 pm
Which binary did you use, and what is the model of your processor?
chessica
Posts: 963Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:30 pmFull name: Esmeralda Pinto
Post by chessica Sat Nov 04, 2023 7:52 pm
jhonnold wrote: ↑ Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:03 pm
Which binary did you use, and what is the model of your processor?
My first tournament after what felt like 30 years.
My pc:
AMD ATHON II X4
Windows 10 64 bit
Arena GUI
1 thread
04.11.2023 17:31:42 :
Program Elo + - Games Score Av.Op. Draws
1 SF-PB-221023 : 3965 55 51 90 73.9 % 3784 45.6 %
Berserk-11.1 Windows_x86-64.exe // 19360 KB // bench: 376.214 n/s
Berserk-12 25.563 KB // bench: 139.880 n/s --->Question: is this perhaps the debug engine? or release engine?
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Bench [# 1]: bestmove e1g1 score 19 77387 nodes 145464 nps | r3k2r/2pb1ppp/2pp1q2/p7/1nP1B3/1P2P3/P2N1PPP/R2QK2R w KQkq a6 0 14
Bench [# 2]: bestmove e7d6 score -47 68505 nodes 156404 nps | 4rrk1/2p1b1p1/p1p3q1/4p3/2P2n1p/1P1NR2P/PB3PP1/3R1QK1 b - - 2 24
Bench [# 3]: bestmove a1a2 score 66 66064 nodes 156179 nps | r3qbrk/6p1/2b2pPp/p3pP1Q/PpPpP2P/3P1B2/2PB3K/R5R1 w - - 16 42
Bench [# 4]: bestmove g4h4 score 0 8867 nodes 62443 nps | 6k1/1R3p2/6p1/2Bp3p/3P2q1/P7/1P2rQ1K/5R2 b - - 4 44
Bench [# 5]: bestmove e3e4 score 229 10565 nodes 67292 nps | 8/8/1p2k1p1/3p3p/1p1P1P1P/1P2PK2/8/8 w - - 3 54
Bench [# 6]: bestmove f1f4 score 90 24210 nodes 110045 nps | 7r/2p3k1/1p1p1qp1/1P1Bp3/p1P2r1P/P7/4R3/Q4RK1 w - - 0 36
Bench [# 7]: bestmove c8d7 score -52 137119 nodes 159440 nps | r1bq1rk1/pp2b1pp/n1pp1n2/3P1p2/2P1p3/2N1P2N/PP2BPPP/R1BQ1RK1 b - - 2 10
Bench [# 8]: bestmove b3e6 score -30 45308 nodes 137714 nps | 3r3k/2r4p/1p1b3q/p4P2/P2Pp3/1B2P3/3BQ1RP/6K1 w - - 3 87
Bench [# 9]: bestmove g1h2 score 159 111654 nodes 145572 nps | 2r4r/1p4k1/1Pnp4/3Qb1pq/8/4BpPp/5P2/2RR1BK1 w - - 0 42
Bench [#10]: bestmove c5b4 score 246 22667 nodes 103502 nps | 4q1bk/6b1/7p/p1p4p/PNPpP2P/KN4P1/3Q4/4R3 b - - 0 37
Bench [#11]: bestmove e2d4 score 90 73981 nodes 157406 nps | 2q3r1/1r2pk2/pp3pp1/2pP3p/P1Pb1BbP/1P4Q1/R3NPP1/4R1K1 w - - 2 34
Bench [#12]: bestmove e8g8 score -168 191487 nodes 170059 nps | 1r2r2k/1b4q1/pp5p/2pPp1p1/P3Pn2/1P1B1Q1P/2R3P1/4BR1K b - - 1 37
Bench [#13]: bestmove a5b6 score -101 38938 nodes 165693 nps | r3kbbr/pp1n1p1P/3ppnp1/q5N1/1P1pP3/P1N1B3/2P1QP2/R3KB1R b KQkq b3 0 17
Bench [#14]: bestmove d5a5 score 0 35634 nodes 108310 nps | 8/6pk/2b1Rp2/3r4/1R1B2PP/P5K1/8/2r5 b - - 16 42
Bench [#15]: bestmove d4c5 score -75 80155 nodes 155339 nps | 1r4k1/4ppb1/2n1b1qp/pB4p1/1n1BP1P1/7P/2PNQPK1/3RN3 w - - 8 29
Bench [#16]: bestmove h5g6 score -9 7845 nodes 45346 nps | 8/p2B4/PkP5/4p1pK/4Pb1p/5P2/8/8 w - - 29 68
Bench [#17]: bestmove e6d5 score -53 53781 nodes 143034 nps | 3r4/ppq1ppkp/4bnp1/2pN4/2P1P3/1P4P1/PQ3PBP/R4K2 b - - 2 20
Bench [#18]: bestmove h1h2 score -172 155886 nodes 181262 nps | 5rr1/4n2k/4q2P/P1P2n2/3B1p2/4pP2/2N1P3/1RR1K2Q w - - 1 49
Bench [#19]: bestmove d3e3 score 57 40195 nodes 134882 nps | 1r5k/2pq2p1/3p3p/p1pP4/4QP2/PP1R3P/6PK/8 w - - 1 51
Bench [#20]: bestmove a8d5 score -31 59748 nodes 152808 nps | q5k1/5ppp/1r3bn1/1B6/P1N2P2/BQ2P1P1/5K1P/8 b - - 2 34
Bench [#21]: bestmove f2e1 score -492 35772 nodes 126402 nps | r1b2k1r/5n2/p4q2/1ppn1Pp1/3pp1p1/NP2P3/P1PPBK2/1RQN2R1 w - - 0 22
Bench [#22]: bestmove f1d3 score 24 61423 nodes 139915 nps | r1bqk2r/pppp1ppp/5n2/4b3/4P3/P1N5/1PP2PPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - 0 5
Bench [#23]: bestmove d7d5 score -118 89667 nodes 154865 nps | r1bqr1k1/pp1p1ppp/2p5/8/3N1Q2/P2BB3/1PP2PPP/R3K2n b Q - 1 12
Bench [#24]: bestmove d8f8 score -237 79551 nodes 158784 nps | r1bq2k1/p4r1p/1pp2pp1/3p4/1P1B3Q/P2B1N2/2P3PP/4R1K1 b - - 2 19
Bench [#25]: bestmove g2g4 score 134 45838 nodes 153818 nps | r4qk1/6r1/1p4p1/2ppBbN1/1p5Q/P7/2P3PP/5RK1 w - - 2 25
Bench [#26]: bestmove h4e7 score 0 10171 nodes 64783 nps | r7/6k1/1p6/2pp1p2/7Q/8/p1P2K1P/8 w - - 0 32
Bench [#27]: bestmove d3d4 score 115 48231 nodes 128273 nps | r3k2r/ppp1pp1p/2nqb1pn/3p4/4P3/2PP4/PP1NBPPP/R2QK1NR w KQkq - 1 5
Bench [#28]: bestmove e4d5 score 163 68267 nodes 145558 nps | 3r1rk1/1pp1pn1p/p1n1q1p1/3p4/Q3P3/2P5/PP1NBPPP/4RRK1 w - - 0 12
Bench [#29]: bestmove f3g5 score 181 32904 nodes 123235 nps | 5rk1/1pp1pn1p/p3Brp1/8/1n6/5N2/PP3PPP/2R2RK1 w - - 2 20
Bench [#30]: bestmove e6f6 score -285 40075 nodes 116159 nps | 8/1p2pk1p/p1p1r1p1/3n4/8/5R2/PP3PPP/4R1K1 b - - 3 27
Bench [#31]: bestmove d3d6 score 258 17825 nodes 103034 nps | 8/4pk2/1p1r2p1/p1p4p/Pn5P/3R4/1P3PP1/4RK2 w - - 1 33
Bench [#32]: bestmove c6d4 score -110 38962 nodes 118425 nps | 8/5k2/1pnrp1p1/p1p4p/P6P/4R1PK/1P3P2/4R3 b - - 1 38
Bench [#33]: bestmove d6c7 score -100 44296 nodes 134638 nps | 8/8/1p1kp1p1/p1pr1n1p/P6P/1R4P1/1P3PK1/1R6 b - - 15 45
Bench [#34]: bestmove d6e6 score -94 57151 nodes 145793 nps | 8/8/1p1k2p1/p1prp2p/P2n3P/6P1/1P1R1PK1/4R3 b - - 5 49
Bench [#35]: bestmove d1c1 score 191 15123 nodes 87416 nps | 8/8/1p4p1/p1p2k1p/P2npP1P/4K1P1/1P6/3R4 w - - 6 54
Bench [#36]: bestmove d4b3 score -422 34716 nodes 130511 nps | 8/8/1p4p1/p1p2k1p/P2n1P1P/4K1P1/1P6/6R1 b - - 6 59
Bench [#37]: bestmove d4c2 score -803 31056 nodes 131593 nps | 8/5k2/1p4p1/p1pK3p/P2n1P1P/6P1/1P6/4R3 b - - 14 63
Bench [#38]: bestmove b7b6 score 1054 27737 nodes 126652 nps | 8/1R6/1p1K1kp1/p6p/P1p2P1P/6P1/1Pn5/8 w - - 0 67
Bench [#39]: bestmove h8g8 score -57 67454 nodes 143519 nps | 1rb1rn1k/p3q1bp/2p3p1/2p1p3/2P1P2N/PP1RQNP1/1B3P2/4R1K1 b - - 4 23
Bench [#40]: bestmove d1c2 score 62 115001 nodes 163353 nps | 4rrk1/pp1n1pp1/q5p1/P1pP4/2n3P1/7P/1P3PB1/R1BQ1RK1 w - - 3 22
Bench [#41]: bestmove g3h5 score 131 124354 nodes 149824 nps | r2qr1k1/pb1nbppp/1pn1p3/2ppP3/3P4/2PB1NN1/PP3PPP/R1BQR1K1 w - - 4 12
Bench [#42]: bestmove c8c1 score -3 24171 nodes 102419 nps | 2r2k2/8/4P1R1/1p6/8/P4K1N/7b/2B5 b - - 0 55
Bench [#43]: bestmove c5a7 score -1 25098 nodes 99992 nps | 6k1/5pp1/8/2bKP2P/2P5/p4PNb/B7/8 b - - 1 44
Bench [#44]: bestmove a1a2 score 5 54580 nodes 139234 nps | 2rqr1k1/1p3p1p/p2p2p1/P1nPb3/2B1P3/5P2/1PQ2NPP/R1R4K w - - 3 25
Bench [#45]: bestmove c7b7 score -41 74160 nodes 157787 nps | r1b2rk1/p1q1ppbp/6p1/2Q5/8/4BP2/PPP3PP/2KR1B1R b - - 2 14
Bench [#46]: bestmove f2f3 score 52 55203 nodes 135633 nps | 6r1/5k2/p1b1r2p/1pB1p1p1/1Pp3PP/2P1R1K1/2P2P2/3R4 w - - 1 36
Bench [#47]: bestmove e7e6 score -20 58350 nodes 143366 nps | rnbqkb1r/pppppppp/5n2/8/2PP4/8/PP2PPPP/RNBQKBNR b KQkq c3 0 2
Bench [#48]: bestmove e5f6 score 38 31101 nodes 110287 nps | 2rr2k1/1p4bp/p1q1p1p1/4Pp1n/2PB4/1PN3P1/P3Q2P/2RR2K1 w - f6 0 20
Bench [#49]: bestmove g3g4 score 95 28563 nodes 106977 nps | 3br1k1/p1pn3p/1p3n2/5pNq/2P1p3/1PN3PP/P2Q1PB1/4R1K1 w - - 0 23
Bench [#50]: bestmove a2b1 score 142 59631 nodes 152508 nps | 2r2b2/5p2/5k2/p1r1pP2/P2pB3/1P3P2/K1P3R1/7R w - - 23 93
Results: 2806427 nodes 139880 nps
jhonnold
Posts: 122Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:16 pmFull name: Jay Honnold
Post by jhonnold Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:49 pm
chessica wrote: ↑ Sat Nov 04, 2023 7:52 pm jhonnold wrote: ↑ Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:03 pm
Which binary did you use, and what is the model of your processor?
AMD ATHON II X4
With the larger network in Berserk 12, and the fact that your CPU doesn't even support SSSE3, your experience with Berserk 12 is just going to be worse.
chessica
Posts: 963Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:30 pmFull name: Esmeralda Pinto
Post by chessica Sun Nov 05, 2023 9:39 am
jhonnold wrote: ↑ Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:49 pm chessica wrote: ↑ Sat Nov 04, 2023 7:52 pm jhonnold wrote: ↑ Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:03 pm
Which binary did you use, and what is the model of your processor?
AMD ATHON II X4
With the larger network in Berserk 12, and the fact that your CPU doesn't even support SSSE3, your experience with Berserk 12 is just going to be worse.
But I have to disagree with you, the size of the network is not important.
It's just a question of software design.
I interpret your answer like this:
Your results correspond to the hardware and programs used.
So far everything is ok for me.
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SF PB 081023 65.674 KB embedded
Stockfish dev-20230811-81929458 51.027 KB embedded
crystal-6-pmt 48.773 KB embedded
Cfish 060821 217 KB + 20.530 KB
Berserk-11.1 19.360 KB embedded
RubiChess-20230410_sse2 894 KB + 19.212 KB
Berserk 12 25.563 KB embedded
Minic_3.32 149.624 KB embedded
Ethereal-14-gcc w/o Network
Komodo-12.1.1 2.073 KB Network included?
chessica
Posts: 963Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:30 pmFull name: Esmeralda Pinto
Post by chessica Sun Nov 05, 2023 11:48 am
Sorry, I have to edit the tournament results, why? I found some time forfeits.
jhonnold
Posts: 122Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:16 pmFull name: Jay Honnold
Post by jhonnold Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:07 pm
chessica wrote: ↑ Sun Nov 05, 2023 9:39 am jhonnold wrote: ↑ Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:49 pm chessica wrote: ↑ Sat Nov 04, 2023 7:52 pm jhonnold wrote: ↑ Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:03 pm
Which binary did you use, and what is the model of your processor?
AMD ATHON II X4
With the larger network in Berserk 12, and the fact that your CPU doesn't even support SSSE3, your experience with Berserk 12 is just going to be worse.
But I have to disagree with you, the size of the network is not important.
It's just a question of software design.
I interpret your answer like this:
Your results correspond to the hardware and programs used.
First, the raw size of the network is not a good metric to work with. I'm specifically referring to the architecture of the network and how it's operations have become more expensive as Berserk has improved.
Second, it is fairly standard for programs to have a minimum requirements. For Berserk, that requirement is ssse3, which is why that is the base binary I released.
I recommend that you invest a newer processor if you wish to test chess engines, especially in this era of NNUE.
Frank Quisinsky
Posts: 7053Joined: Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:16 pmLocation: Gutweiler, GermanyFull name: Frank Quisinsky
Post by Frank Quisinsky Sun Nov 05, 2023 6:38 pm
Hi Jay,
Modern Times
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Post by Modern Times Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:33 am
I remember when NNUE engines first came out, my AMD FX8350 was instantly rendered obsolete with no AVX2 support. If people want the best performance from the latest technology engines, ancient hardware just doesn't cut it. I still have that machine, but apart from firing it up from time to time to apply Windows updates, it sits unused gathering dust. I'm not sure why I even bother doing that, but somehow it just feels satisfying
AndrewGrant
Posts: 1960Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:08 amLocation: U.S.AFull name: Andrew Grant
Post by AndrewGrant Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:43 am
If you don't have AVX2, you can't provide meaningful insight to the world regarding the strength of engines.
