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Chessqueen
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by Chessqueen » Sun Nov 05, 2023 10:57 pm
Enderjed wrote: ↑ Sun Nov 05, 2023 9:42 pm
I didn't expect Valiant (my god awful attempt at an engine) to appear here. Although it makes sense, considering the fact it's a (compiled) python engine, and at my peak I was about 1100 Elo (standard 10 minute games).
683 Enxadrista 1.01 1142 +112 −106 52.8% −33.5 15.1% 942
80.8%
684 Neurone XXVII 1129 +124 −118 46.6% +15.5 21.4% 1017
77.4%
685 Megalodon 1.0.0 64-bit 1119 +134 −129 47.7% +6.4 27.5% 1150
95.1%
686 Cassandre 0.24 1096 +157 −151 57.0% −61.2 38.2% 908
92
In that case Cassandre would be an interesting challenge for you
Chessqueen
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by Chessqueen » Sun Nov 05, 2023 11:23 pm
You will love this game, there is NO pieces development ( forget Capablanca chess Fundamental). Both of these engines avoid pieces development at all cost and immediately start attacking) Ha Ha Ha.
[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-4QNC0GS"]
[Date "2023.11.05"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Clownfish_01"]
[Black "TheLightning_204"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[ECO "A07"]
[Opening "Reti Opening"]
[Time "16:09:56"]
[Variation "KIA, 1.Nf3 d5 2.g3 g6"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[TimeControl "300+3"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "51"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. g3 d5 2. Nf3 g6 3. d3 Bg7 4. Nbd2 e5 5. e4 {(e2e4) 0.00/6 4} Ne7 {(g7h6
e4xd5 d8f6 c2c4 c8h3 d2e4 f6h4 d1a4) 0.00/8 4} 6. exd5 {(e4d5) +0.15/7 4}
Nxd5 {(d8xd5 f1g2 c7c5 0-0 g7h6 d2e4 d5xd3 a1xc1) 0.00/8 4} 7. c4 {(c2c4)
+0.15/7 12} Nb4 {(0-0 d1b3 d5f4 a2a3 c8h3 d2e4 h3xf1 b3xb7) 0.00/8 15} 8.
Ne4 {(d2e4) 0.00/6 12} Bg4 {(c8d7 c1g5 b4d5 d1b3 g7f6 e1e2 h7h5 e4xf6)
0.00/8 14} 9. Bg5 {(c1g5) -0.05/7 12} Qd7 {(g4h3 e1d2 f7f6 d1a4 b8c6 f1xh3
f6xg5 f1xh3) 0.00/8 14} 10. Bf6 {(g5f6) +0.30/7 12} Bxf3 {(a7a5 f6xg7 c7c5
e4f6 e8d8 f6xd7 b4d5 g7xh8 d5c7) 0.00/9 14} 11. Qxf3 {(d1f3) +0.40/8 12}
Nc2+ {(b4xa2 e1d2 a7a5 f6xg7 a8a6 g7xe5 d7d4 f3xf7) 0.00/8 14} 12. Kd1
{(e1d1) +1.40/7 12} Nxa1 {(g7f8 f6xh8 f8c5 b2b3 a7a5 d1xc2 d7c6 f3xf7 e8d8)
0.00/9 13} 13. Bxg7 {(f6g7) +1.50/7 12} Qa4+ {(f7f6 b2b3 d7xg7 f3xf6 g7xf6
e4xf6 e8e7 f6xh7 a1xb3) -0.68/9 13} 14. b3 {(b2b3) +1.60/6 12} Qxa2 {(a4a6
g7xh8 a1c2 d1d2 c7c5 f1h3 h7h6 d2d1 c2a1) 0.00/9 13} 15. Nf6+ {(e4f6)
+1.70/7 12} Ke7 {(e8e7 f6d5 e7d7 f3f6 d8c8 f1h3 b8d7 h3xd7 c8xd7 g7xh8
a2xb3) 0.00/11 12} 16. Nd5+ {(f6d5) +1.70/7 12} Ke8 {(e7d8 d5xc7 e8d8 c7xa8
a2xb3 d1e1 b3c3 e1e2 c3b2 e2e1 b8c6) 0.00/11 12} 17. Nxc7+ {(d5c7) +2.70/7
12} Kd8 {(e8d7 c7xa8 a2c2 d1e1 b8c6 g7xh8 d7e8 f1h3 c2xc4 e1e2) 0.00/10 12}
18. Qxf7 {(f3f7) +2.80/7 12} Qc2+ {(a2c2 d1e1 c2c3 e1e2 c3c2 e2f3 c2d1 f3g2
b8c6) +1.08/9 12} 19. Ke1 {(d1e1) +3.75/6 12} Qc1+ {(c2c1 e1e2 c1c2 e2f3
c2c3 f3g2 h8g8 c7xa8 c3xd3 g7f6) 0.00/10 11} 20. Ke2 {(e1e2) +3.85/7 12}
Qc2+ {(c1e1 e2f3 e1b1 f3g2 h7h5 c7xa8 b1d1 f7xb7 d1c2) 0.00/9 11} 21. Kf3
{(e2f3) +3.95/6 12} Qd1+ {(h8g8 c7xa8 a1xb3 g7xh8 b3d2 f3g2 d2xf1 h1xf1)
0.00/8 11} 22. Kg2 {(f3g2) +7.90/6 12} Nd7 {(a1xb3 c7e6 d8c8 g7xh8 b7b6
f7e8 c8b7 e8xd7 b7a6 d7xh7) 0.00/10 11} 23. Ne6+ {(c7e6) +10.35/7 12} Kc8
{(d8c8 g7xh8 d1xf1 g2xf1 b7b6 f7e8 c8b7 e8xd7 b7a6 h8xe5) -14.16/10 11} 24.
Bxh8 {(g7h8) +19.65/7 12} Qxf1+ {(b7b6 f7xd7 c8xd7 f2f4 a1xb3 c4c5 d1d2
g2h3 d2e3 h8f6 b3xc5) 0.00/11 10} 25. Rxf1 {(h1f1) +M3/7 12} Nf6 {(e5e4
f1xa1 h7h5 a1xa7 e4xd3 h8d4 b7b6 a7c7 d7f6 d4xf6) 0.00/10 10} 26. Qc7#
{(f7c7) +M0/7 12} 1-0[/pgn]
Chessqueen
Posts: 5685 Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:16 am
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by Chessqueen » Mon Nov 06, 2023 5:22 am
Most of us can learn more by watching these low rated engines play than by watching Stockfish, Torch, and Dragon 3.3, since their moves are too deep for us to really see the deep tactics
[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-4QNC0GS"]
[Date "2023.11.05"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Cicada"]
[Black "Rainman"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "1582"]
[ECO "B06"]
[Opening "Modern"]
[Time "22:38:06"]
[Variation "1.e4 g6 2.f4"]
[WhiteElo "1590"]
[TimeControl "180+5"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "64"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. f4 g6 2. e4 d5 3. e5 c5 4. c3 d4 5. Nf3 {(Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6 d2-d3 Qd8-a5
b2-b4 Qa5-b6 b4xc5) +0.40/7 6} Qd7 {(Qd8d7 Bf1d3 Bf8h6 g2g3 d4xc3 d2xc3
Nb8c6) -0.16/7 2} 6. d3 {(d2-d3) +0.65/7 6} Bg7 {(Bf8g7 Bf1e2 Ng8h6 c3xd4
c5xd4) +0.02/7 2} 7. Nbd2 {(Nb1-d2 Nb8-c6 Nd2-e4 Qd7-c7 Ne4xc5 d4xc3 d3-d4)
+0.90/7 6} Nh6 {(Ng8h6 c3xd4 c5xd4 Bf1e2 O-O O-O Nb8c6) +0.16/7 2} 8. Nb3
{(Nd2-b3 d4xc3 b2xc3 Qd7-c7 Bc1-e3 Nb8-d7 d3-d4) +0.95/7 6} dxc3 {(d4xc3
b2xc3 Qd7d5 Bf1e2 Nb8c6 O-O O-O) +0.12/7 6} 9. bxc3 {(b2xc3 Qd7-c7 d3-d4
Nb8-d7 Bf1-b5 c5-c4 Nb3-c5) +0.90/7 6} b6 {(b7b6 Bf1e2 O-O O-O) +0.15/7 2}
10. d4 {(d3-d4 c5xd4 c3xd4 e7-e6 Bc1-e3 Nb8-c6) +0.95/6 6} O-O {(c5xd4
Nb3xd4 O-O Bf1d3) +0.40/7 4} 11. dxc5 {(d4xc5 Qd7xd1+ Ke1xd1 Nh6-g4 Kd1-d2
Nb8-d7) +1.55/7 6} Qxd1+ {(Qd7xd1+ Ke1xd1) -0.20/7 6} 12. Kxd1 {(Ke1xd1
b6xc5 Nb3xc5 Nb8-c6 Bc1-e3 Nh6-f5 Be3-d4 e7-e6) +1.35/8 6} Be6 {(Bc8e6
Bc1e3 Nh6f5 Be3f2 Nb8d7 Bf1d3 Nd7xc5) -0.27/7 6} 13. Nbd4 {(Nb3-d4 b6xc5
Nd4xe6 f7xe6 Nf3-g5 Rf8-c8 Ng5xe6 Nb8-c6) +1.70/8 6} Rc8 {(Rf8c8 c5xb6
a7xb6 Nd4xe6 f7xe6 Bc1d2 Ra8a4) -0.23/7 6} 14. Nxe6 {(Nd4xe6 f7xe6 Bf1-c4
Nh6-f7 Bc1-e3 Nf7-d8 Nf3-g5) +2.15/7 6} fxe6 {(f7xe6 c5xb6 a7xb6 Kd1c2
Ra8a4 Bc1e3 Ra4b4 Bf1d3) -0.67/8 4} 15. Bc4 {(Bf1-c4 Rc8xc5 Bc4xe6+ Kg8-f8
c3-c4 Nb8-c6 Bc1-e3) +2.20/7 6} Rxc5 {(Rc8xc5 Bc4xe6+ Kg8h8 Kd1c2 Nb8a6
Bc1e3 Rc5c6) -0.70/8 4} 16. Bxe6+ {(Bc4xe6+ Kg8-h8 c3-c4 Nh6-f5 g2-g4
Nf5-d6 Bc1-e3 Rc5-c6) +2.15/8 6} Kh8 {(Kg8h8 Bc1a3 Rc5xc3 Ba3xe7 Nb8d7
Kd1d2 Rc3c7 Ra1c1) -1.11/8 2} 17. c4 {(c3-c4 Rc5-c7 Bc1-e3 Nb8-c6 Nf3-d4
Ra8-d8 Be6-d5) +2.15/7 6} Na6 {(Nb8a6 Bc1e3) -0.81/8 5} 18. Be3 {(Bc1-e3
Rc5-c7 Kd1-e2 Na6-c5 Be6-d5 Ra8-d8 Nf3-d4) +2.20/7 5} Ra5 {(Rc5a5 Be6d5
Ra8f8 Be3d2 Ra5a3 Rh1e1 Na6c5) -0.66/7 7} 19. Bd2 {(Be3-d2 Ra5-c5 Be6-d5
Ra8-d8 Nf3-g5 Nh6-f5 Ng5-e4) +2.10/7 6} Rd8 {(Ra8d8 Kd1c1 Ra5c5 Bd2e3 Rc5c6
Nf3g5) -0.71/8 5} 20. Bd5 {(Be6-d5 Ra5-a4 Rh1-e1 Na6-c5) +2.10/7 5} Rc5
{(Ra5c5 Ra1c1 Na6c7 Bd5e4 Rc5a5 Rc1c2 Nh6f5) -0.44/7 7} 21. Ng5 {(Nf3-g5
Na6-c7 Ng5-e4 Nc7xd5 Ne4xc5 Nd5xf4 Nc5-b7) +2.30/7 5} Nc7 {(Na6c7) -0.29/7
7} 22. Ne4 {(Ng5-e4 Nc7xd5 Ne4xc5 Nd5xf4 Nc5-b7 Rd8-d7 Rh1-e1 Nf4xg2)
+1.65/8 5} Nxd5 {(Nc7xd5 Ne4xc5 Nd5xf4 Nc5b7 Rd8xd2+ Kd1xd2 Bg7xe5 Ra1f1
Nf4xg2) -1.01/8 6} 23. Nxc5 {(Ne4xc5 Nd5xf4 Kd1-c2 Rd8xd2+ Kc2xd2 b6xc5
g2-g3 Nf4-e6 Rh1-e1) +0.90/9 5} Nxf4 {(Nd5xf4 Nc5b7 Rd8d4 Rh1e1 Nh6g4 Ra1b1
Bg7xe5 Rb1b3) -0.20/8 4} 24. Nb7 {(Nc5-b7 Rd8-d7 c4-c5 Bg7xe5 c5-c6 Rd7xd2+
Kd1xd2 Be5xa1 Rh1xa1) +0.60/9 5} Rd7 {(Rd8d7 c4c5 Bg7xe5 c5c6 Rd7d3)
+0.56/8 3} 25. c5 {(c4-c5 Nh6-g4 Kd1-c2 Bg7xe5 c5-c6 Rd7xd2+ Kc2xd2 Be5xa1)
+0.25/8 5} Ng4 {(Nh6g4 Rh1e1 Nf4xg2 c5c6 Rd7d4 c6c7 Ng4e3+ Re1xe3 Ng2xe3+
Kd1e2) +1.00/8 4} 26. c6 {(c5-c6 Ng4-e3+ Kd1-e1 Ne3-c2+ Ke1-d1 Nc2-e3+
Kd1-e1 Ne3-c2+) 0.00/8 5} Ne3+ {(Ng4e3+) +3.06/8 7} 27. Ke1 {(Kd1-e1
Ne3xg2+ Ke1-d1 Ng2-e3+ Kd1-e1 Ne3-c2+ Ke1-d1 Rd7xd2+ Kd1xd2 Nc2xa1)
-0.25/10 5} Nexg2+ {(Ne3xg2+ Ke1f2 Rd7xd2+ Kf2g3 Bg7xe5 Nb7c5 b6xc5 Rh1b1
Rd2xa2 Ra1xa2) +3.06/8 6} 28. Kd1 {(Ke1-d1) -0.25/10 5} Ne3+ {(Ng2e3+ Kd1e1
Ne3g2+ Ke1f2 Rd7xd2+ Kf2g3 Bg7xe5 c6c7 Be5xc7 Ra1c1) +3.06/8 4} 29. Ke1
{(Kd1-e1 Ne3-c2+ Ke1-d1 Rd7xd2+ Kd1xd2 Nc2xa1 c6-c7 Na1-b3+ a2xb3 Bg7xe5)
-0.05/10 5} Nc2+ {(Ne3c2+ Ke1d1) +3.06/8 3} 30. Kd1 {(Ke1-d1 Nc2-e3+ Kd1-e1
Ne3-c2+ Ke1-d1 Nc2-e3+ Kd1-e1 Ne3-c2+ Ke1-d1 Nc2-e3+) 0.00/10 5} Ne3+
{(Nc2e3+) -1.00/8 3} 31. Ke1 {(Kd1-e1 Ne3-c2+ Ke1-d1 Nc2-e3+ Kd1-e1 Ne3-c2+
Ke1-d1 Nc2-e3+ Kd1-e1 Ne3-c2+ Ke1-d1 Nc2-e3+ Kd1-e1) 0.00/13 5} Nc2+
{(Ne3c2+ Ke1d1 Nc2e3+) +3.06/8 9} 32. Kd1 {(Ke1-d1 Nc2-e3+ Kd1-e1 Ne3-c2+
Ke1-d1 Nc2-e3+ Kd1-e1 Ne3-c2+ Ke1-d1 Nc2-e3+) 0.00/10 5} Ne3+ {(Nc2e3+)
-1.00/9 5 3-fold repetition} 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
Enderjed
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Full name: Jedidiah F. Sessions
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by Enderjed » Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:44 pm
Watching Cassandre and Valiant in matches is akin to watching two drunken blokes down at the pub trying to fight each other while forgetting that balance is quite important.
Fritz 0
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Full name: Branislav Đošić
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by Fritz 0 » Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:16 pm
Frank Quisinsky wrote: ↑ Sun Nov 05, 2023 9:41 am
I think most chess players have no more than 1400 - 1600 Elo. Only stronger club players have around 1700 - 1800 Elo.
For some years I have been playing with around 2100 Elo. Today I am happy if I can reach 1800 - 2000 Elo. It's frightening how your own mistakes multiply as you get older. No amount of experience with positions you've already played helps.
This probably has a lot to do with the fact that a 1800 player today is much stronger than a 1800 player 15 or 20 years ago. It seems that everyone agrees on that, and my own experience confirms it. I'm quoting an IM I spoke to: "Now I have to do my best to beat a player in a tournament game that I used to play in a simul".
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by Dann Corbit » Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:35 pm
I like to play against old, weak engines, in particular Golem. It can make really good moves and surprise you and uncork a really funny one too. It's much more like playing a person than playing Stockfish. I play against Stockfish too, but of course I lose all of those games handily. Believe it or not, I still enjoy it. Long ago, I used to play a sort of correspondence chess with an engine called EdChess. I don't think they even had winboard/xboard back on those days and it would fall for simple things like a poisoned pawn even if it thought all night.
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Chessqueen
Posts: 5685 Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:16 am
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by Chessqueen » Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:41 pm
Graham Banks wrote: ↑ Sun Nov 05, 2023 6:43 am
The lower divisions of my Amateur Series usually attract more viewers.
Why I do NOT see any of your division with engines between 1500 thru 1600 like these two engine, as you see they come out with very unfamiliar but solid openings by their own if you take out the Opening Book
[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-4QNC0GS"]
[Date "2023.11.05"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Cicada"]
[Black "Rainman"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "1582"]
[ECO "B06"]
[Opening "Modern"]
[Time "22:38:06"]
[Variation "1.e4 g6 2.f4"]
[WhiteElo "1590"]
[TimeControl "180+5"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "64"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. h3 Nf6 2. Nc3 e6 3. e4 Bd6 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. d4 Bb4 6. Bd3 d5 7. Bg5 dxe4 8.
Bxe4 Bd7 9. Ne5 h6 10. Bxc6 Bxc6 11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. Bxf6 Qxf6 13. a3 Bxc3+
14. bxc3 c5 15. Qh5 g5 16. Qe2 O-O 17. Rd1 Rad8 18. Qc4 Rd5 19. O-O Rfd8
20. Rd3 Qf4 21. Re1 Rf5 22. Rf1 Rfd5 23. Re1 Rf5 24. Rf1 Rfd5 {3-fold
repetition} 1/2-1/[/pgn]