Stockfish will be extremely slow on the Apple MacBook PRO 16-inch M3 MAX

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syzygy
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Re: Stockfish will be extremely slow on the Apple MacBook PRO 16-inch M3 MAX

Post by syzygy »

wickedpotus wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 3:45 pmWhile it can be enjoyable to use "good" software on Apple computers, it seems quite unreasonable to choose an expensive ARM-based Apple computer over faster and more affordable alternatives available, especially if the intention is to run Linux.
I don't think there is better ARM-based hardware available at the moment. (I am not saying this makes up for poor Linux support.)
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Re: Stockfish will be extremely slow on the Apple MacBook PRO 16-inch M3 MAX

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syzygy wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2023 3:24 pm
wickedpotus wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 3:45 pmWhile it can be enjoyable to use "good" software on Apple computers, it seems quite unreasonable to choose an expensive ARM-based Apple computer over faster and more affordable alternatives available, especially if the intention is to run Linux.
I don't think there is better ARM-based hardware available at the moment. (I am not saying this makes up for poor Linux support.)
You’re right.
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Re: Stockfish will be extremely slow on the Apple MacBook PRO 16-inch M3 MAX

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I have a few questions :

1. What OS and gui did the Ipman benchmarks used for the Mac computers? Was it parallels and then using chessbase gui? Or was it using the stockfish app for Mac?

2. Anyone have any benchmarks on Leela Zero using the 60 core GPU (or 76 core GPU) of the M2 ultra (Mac studio)?
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Re: Stockfish will be extremely slow on the Apple MacBook PRO 16-inch M3 MAX

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h1a8 wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 2:08 am I have a few questions :

1. What OS and gui did the Ipman benchmarks used for the Mac computers? Was it parallels and then using chessbase gui? Or was it using the stockfish app for Mac?

2. Anyone have any benchmarks on Leela Zero using the 60 core GPU (or 76 core GPU) of the M2 ultra (Mac studio)?
https://ipmanchess.yolasite.com/amd--in ... ckfish.php
macOS see number.
No GUI. Just exe.
https://github.com/official-stockfish/S ... ssues/4241

For LC0 see results on Discord or GitHub https://github.com/LeelaChessZero/lc0/issues/1795
See net size for M1 MAX example:
t1-smolgen-512x15x8h-distilled-swa-3395000.pb

Total time (ms) : 343348
Nodes searched : 445225
Nodes/second : 1297 change it from 32 cores to 60 or 76 core GPU. (64 = 2600). Calculate 2600 +27% faster M2 Metal.
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Re: Stockfish will be extremely slow on the Apple MacBook PRO 16-inch M3 MAX

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h1a8 wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 2:08 am

2. Anyone have any benchmarks on Leela Zero using the 60 core GPU (or 76 core GPU) of the M2 ultra (Mac studio)?
I can get you the benchmark if you can get me Lc0. Compiling it seems like a chore to me.
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Re: Stockfish will be extremely slow on the Apple MacBook PRO 16-inch M3 MAX

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Werewolf wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:25 pm ...
I can get you the benchmark if you can get me Lc0. Compiling it seems like a chore to me.
Did you try with brew?

https://brew.sh/

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/bin/bash -c "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/HEAD/install.sh)"
https://formulae.brew.sh/formula/lc0

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brew install lc0
current stable tag is 0.30.0

with --head you should get the latest:

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brew install lc0 --head
...did not lookup which backend type the brew method uses currently on Apple silicon.

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