Whiskers wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:31 pm
I know about the EAS tool but I am trying to find out what aggressive positions look like, not just aggressive games.
As far as I understand, this is exactly what Ed Schroeders tool does
https://rebel7775.wixsite.com/rebel/kop ... rl-blitz-1
Whiskers wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:31 pm
Also, the fact that Stockfish and Torch are at the top by a country mile suggests that a large part of what EAS is measuring is engines taking advantage of tactical mistakes by other engines rather than actively seeking out an aggressive play style.
That is false. If you look on my old SPCC-ratinglist and the EAS-ratinglist, calculated out of it:
https://www.sp-cc.de/files/spcc_full_list.txt
You will see, that Stockfish 15.1 and Stockfish 16 are only on rank 51 and 52 in the EAS-ratinglist (!!!)
And both have (of course) scored more than 67% vs. their opponents. Because in the testruns, all opponents were weaker than SF 15.1/SF16
And the first place in the EAS-ratinglist (Velvet 4.1.0) is not only much weaker (of course), but also have an overall score of only 53.1% vs. its opponents. Because Velvet 4.1.0 was tested vs weaker and stronger opponents...
So, the EAS-score does not depend on high scoring-percents. But on aggressive play.
The only reason, why Stockfish and Torch are so good in the UHO-Top15 EAS-Ratinglist, is, that they are playing more aggressive than the other engines in this Top15-Ratinglist. Sadly, right now, really aggressive playing engines like Velvet or so are just too weak, to enter the UHO-Top15 ratinglist.
And in the UHO-Top15 EAS-ratinglist, Rebel EAS is just behind Stockfish in the categories most sacs overall and most 3+ high-sacs. And not Torch.
And Rebel EAS has a scoring of only 37.1% and is only on rank 14 in the UHO-Top15 ratinglist... (the EAS-tool delivers much more useful stats, than only an EAS-score and a list, built out of this score.)
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A: Most high-value sacrifices (3+ pawnunits): [1]:04.29% Stockfish 240126 avx2
[2]:03.82% Stockfish 16 230630
[3]:02.68% Rebel EAS avx2
[4]:02.33% Torch 1 popavx2
[5]:02.11% Uralochka 3.40a avx2
B: Most sacrifices overall : [1]:22.12% Stockfish 240126 avx2
[2]:21.07% Stockfish 16 230630
[3]:19.26% Rebel EAS avx2
[4]:16.15% Torch 1 popavx2
[5]:15.53% KomodoDragon 3.3 avx2
Or (finally) look on Ed Schroeders website:
REBEL-EAS is an in between version based on the same, but more, neural net data as REBEL-16.2 but heavily modified during the last 5 months in order to make REBEL to play more aggressive and runs as a module under Chess System Tal 2.0
REBEL 16.2 gains an EAS score of : 80.258
REBEL-EAS gets an EAS score of : 160.569
https://rebel7775.wixsite.com/rebel
(And Ed tested the different Rebels vs. same opponents and Rebel EAS is only slightly stronger than Rebel 16.2 (around +25 Elo or so), but the EAS score doubled(!))