Balanced opening lines or advantageous opening lines?

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Do you prefer watching engines play with balanced opening lines or advantageous opening lines?

Balanced opening lines
14
34%
Advantageous opening lines
11
27%
There is a place for both
15
37%
I don't really care
1
2%
 
Total votes: 41

jefk
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Re: Balanced opening lines or advantageous opening lines?

Post by jefk »

there are unbalanced openings, without significant advantage
for either side. Remember the thread about complexity (of a position),
sharp unbalanced lines, preferably without too much theory (like
the Najdorf poisoned pawn), that's imo the way to go.
And then there are the Pohl openings, many of them quite useful I
suspect (although i haven't looked at it in detail).
If you want to see clear differences in engine strength
(and sometimes interesting games between the a/b and the mcts
(Lc0) engines). And ofcourse playing such lines with Black and White
to ensure equal chances.
jefk
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Re: Balanced opening lines or advantageous opening lines?

Post by jefk »

more info:
as it's done now:
https://tcec-chess.com/articles/TCEC_Openings_FAQ.html

the Pohl openings:
https://www.sp-cc.de/uho_2024.htm

these UHO openings look good to me, whererby the drawkiller
openings may be a bit too artificial (to resemble 'real' chess)
Jouni
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Re: Balanced opening lines or advantageous opening lines?

Post by Jouni »

Today CCC is number 1 tournament. TCEC has outdated CPU. CCC uses also now Stefan Pohl's UHO_2022_8mvs_+110_+119. UHO is OK, but it don't give real elo difference. But maybe there is no difference between 3800 engines anymore?
Jouni
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Re: Balanced opening lines or advantageous opening lines?

Post by CornfedForever »

Jouni wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:26 pm Today CCC is number 1 tournament. TCEC has outdated CPU. CCC uses also now Stefan Pohl's UHO_2022_8mvs_+110_+119. UHO is OK, but it don't give real elo difference. But maybe there is no difference between 3800 engines anymore?
"outdated CPU"....CPU should largely be irrelevant. An event should turn on the merits of the engine/software....not how fast you can make them go (if that is what you are getting at by the quote)