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Re: Speaking of Windows

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towforce wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:37 am
Magnum wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 1:38 amI have 0 problems with Windows 11 since years. It runs perfectly fine and stable without any problems on my Apple MacBook.
Linux too.

This is VERY surprising!

Buying an Apple MacBook, but then swapping the OS?

Presumably, you must love Apple hardware, but not Apple software. An unusual combination of preferences!

A former senior Microsoft engineer shows how bad Windows 11 start menu performance can be - even when using a PC that has very expensive hardware:

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Re: Speaking of Windows

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Dann Corbit wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 3:38 amI had to download a new image to a USB thumb drive and wipe the old disk.
All my apps in the toilet.
All my chess applications gone.
My compilers, zoom, my bible study programs, my editors, everything.
Like flushing a toilet.
Remember that regardless of the OS, SSDs/HDDs may even fail spontaneously. No backup is always a risky bet.

The easiest solution is to make regular full disk backups. I use Clonezilla via the commercial Parted Magic distro ($15 for a single purchase). Works also for Windows machines, I did that for years when I still had Windows, because you boot from thumb drive so that the normal file system is not in use during the backup. That's the most robust solution, more trustworthy IMO than any full disk backup software that runs from within Windows.

In case of need, you just restore the latest image and be done. If the disk hardware itself is fried, you put in a new one of at least the same size as the old one, also easy enough. Data files that change more frequently should be backed up e.g. daily anyway, but you avoid having to set up and configure the whole system.
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I use O&O Diskimage Pro since years and never had any problems with it. You can boot up from CD or USB stick for backup or restore. Restoring my main disk takes around 20min (85GB). You can also backup from Windows. I have a dual boot with Win7 and Win10 so I boot up Win 7 to backup Win10 disk and vice versa. In all the years I need it only 3 or 4 times but this saves realy a lot of time instead of a new installation. I backup all 4-6 weeks and save the last three backups (for more safty :) ).

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Re: Speaking of Windows

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towforce wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:37 am
Magnum wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 1:38 amI have 0 problems with Windows 11 since years. It runs perfectly fine and stable without any problems on my Apple MacBook.
Linux too.

This is VERY surprising!

Buying an Apple MacBook, but then swapping the OS?

Presumably, you must love Apple hardware, but not Apple software. An unusual combination of preferences!
No.
I am using macOS
and also Parallels Desktop for Mac Pro = always newest Windows 11 + Linux Ubuntu + Linux Kali + Linux Fedora, Debian Linux too.
I and many Apple users started using Windows 11 before Windows 11 PC hardware people started using Windows 11. :lol: :lol: :lol:
You could say that Windows 11 was created for Apple hardware first and only then for normal Windows hardware people. :mrgreen:
The best thing is that I can use all of them in the same time instantly :D
Using 24 hours Windows 11 is crazy. It's like a Windows on steroids notebook but with 24 hours and not only 4 hours or an ultrabook with only 12 hours. 8-)
I can use it with battery only and it doesn't decrease the speed :D
I can even place my Windows OS or Linux OS screen like a window on my macOS screen and use both in the same time :mrgreen:
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Re: Speaking of Windows

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Magnum wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 12:21 pm
towforce wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:37 am
Magnum wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 1:38 amI have 0 problems with Windows 11 since years. It runs perfectly fine and stable without any problems on my Apple MacBook.
Linux too.

This is VERY surprising!

Buying an Apple MacBook, but then swapping the OS?

Presumably, you must love Apple hardware, but not Apple software. An unusual combination of preferences!
No.
I am using macOS
and also Parallels Desktop for Mac Pro = always newest Windows 11 + Linux Ubuntu + Linux Kali + Linux Fedora, Debian Linux too.
I and many Apple users started using Windows 11 before Windows 11 PC hardware people started using Windows 11. :lol: :lol: :lol:
You could say that Windows 11 was created for Apple hardware first and only then for normal Windows hardware people. :mrgreen:
The best thing is that I can use all of them in the same time instantly :D
Using 24 hours Windows 11 is crazy. It's like a Windows on steroids notebook but with 24 hours and not only 4 hours or an ultrabook with only 12 hours. 8-)
I can use it with battery only and it doesn't decrease the speed :D
I can even place my Windows OS or Linux OS screen like a window on my macOS screen and use both in the same time :mrgreen:
What a bunch of utter crap and BS you spit out here. :D

1. You could say "that Windows 11 was created for Apple hardware first and only then for normal Windows hardware people, but of course, you would also be wrong saying thatt. (But facts in general does not seem to bother Mac-evangelists the slightest in general :-( )

2. Using virtual machines is common on all modern machines. I run Rocky OS, Windows 11 (and 10), Arch, Ubuntu, and MacOS under VMware. They can all be used "instantly." :-) Another drawback with Macs, apart from their overipricing and limitiations is their architecture of shared memory, where the GPU "steals" memory from RAM. Most other platforms have RAM dedicated to the DGPU, which leaves more RAM for the virtualized machines. No problem running macOS and Linux side by side on any new Intel/AMD machine. That said I dont know any essential software only available on MacOS anyway, so running a MacOS seems sort of redundant in most cases?

3. No Mac can run any meaningfull work in Parallels Desktop (Windows apps) for 24 hours straight on battery.. These sorts of ridiculous claims make people just sound like fanboys, or even worse, complete idiots.

4. A modern Windows machine is way faster than a Mac, even running native compiles. (At least for chess-related stuff.) Running emulated Windows on a Mac the pciture will get even worse. If you need Windows apps, get a Windows laptop.

I get it. Some people like stuff and try to convince other people that their "feelings" are fact-based. But I really don't get why people who don't work for a company should lie and try to "sell" us on stuff that is simply not even true.
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Re: Speaking of Windows

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wickedpotus wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 4:06 pm
Magnum wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 12:21 pm
towforce wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:37 am
Magnum wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 1:38 amI have 0 problems with Windows 11 since years. It runs perfectly fine and stable without any problems on my Apple MacBook.
Linux too.

This is VERY surprising!

Buying an Apple MacBook, but then swapping the OS?

Presumably, you must love Apple hardware, but not Apple software. An unusual combination of preferences!
No.
I am using macOS
and also Parallels Desktop for Mac Pro = always newest Windows 11 + Linux Ubuntu + Linux Kali + Linux Fedora, Debian Linux too.
I and many Apple users started using Windows 11 before Windows 11 PC hardware people started using Windows 11. :lol: :lol: :lol:
You could say that Windows 11 was created for Apple hardware first and only then for normal Windows hardware people. :mrgreen:
The best thing is that I can use all of them in the same time instantly :D
Using 24 hours Windows 11 is crazy. It's like a Windows on steroids notebook but with 24 hours and not only 4 hours or an ultrabook with only 12 hours. 8-)
I can use it with battery only and it doesn't decrease the speed :D
I can even place my Windows OS or Linux OS screen like a window on my macOS screen and use both in the same time :mrgreen:
What a bunch of utter crap and BS you spit out here. :D

1. You could say "that Windows 11 was created for Apple hardware first and only then for normal Windows hardware people, but of course, you would also be wrong saying thatt. (But facts in general does not seem to bother Mac-evangelists the slightest in general :-( )
I think that saying Windows 11 was created for Apple hardware first was a quip.

2. Using virtual machines is common on all modern machines. I run Rocky OS, Windows 11 (and 10), Arch, Ubuntu, and MacOS under VMware. They can all be used "instantly." :-) Another drawback with Macs, apart from their overipricing and limitiations is their architecture of shared memory, where the GPU "steals" memory from RAM. Most other platforms have RAM dedicated to the DGPU, which leaves more RAM for the virtualized machines. No problem running macOS and Linux side by side on any new Intel/AMD machine. That said I dont know any essential software only available on MacOS anyway, so running a MacOS seems sort of redundant in most cases?

3. No Mac can run any meaningfull work in Parallels Desktop (Windows apps) for 24 hours straight on battery.. These sorts of ridiculous claims make people just sound like fanboys, or even worse, complete idiots.

4. A modern Windows machine is way faster than a Mac, even running native compiles. (At least for chess-related stuff.) Running emulated Windows on a Mac the pciture will get even worse. If you need Windows apps, get a Windows laptop.

I get it. Some people like stuff and try to convince other people that their "feelings" are fact-based. But I really don't get why people who don't work for a company should lie and try to "sell" us on stuff that is simply not even true.
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Re: Speaking of Windows

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Really good article about a German state that's trying to abandon Microsoft software and go entirely open source!

https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/15/ ... vereignty/
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Re: Speaking of Windows

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towforce wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 4:17 pm Really good article about a German state that's trying to abandon Microsoft software and go entirely open source!

https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/15/ ... vereignty/
I am working for one of the projects in the context "Schleswig-Holstein goes Open Source" and I can assure you that it will be a LONG AND HARD WAY to get rid of all Microsoft (and other closed source) software and services. But we try our very best...

Regards.
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RubiChess wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 4:58 pm
towforce wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 4:17 pm Really good article about a German state that's trying to abandon Microsoft software and go entirely open source!

https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/15/ ... vereignty/
I am working for one of the projects in the context "Schleswig-Holstein goes Open Source" and I can assure you that it will be a LONG AND HARD WAY to get rid of all Microsoft (and other closed source) software and services. But we try our very best...

Regards.

An impressive coincidence that someone here is working on a project about which I linked a news article that is relevant to the thread! :)
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Modern Times wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 8:44 am
Dann Corbit wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 3:38 am I have a strange system, which cannot be upgraded to Windows 11 according to the MS analysis.
From 2019, AMD 3970x with 128GB RAM, and two 2080 Super GPUs, it is rejected for upgrade.
What reason does it give for not being compatible ?
It Needs TPM 2.0 in mobo.
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