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Re: Patricia 3

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Peter Berger wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 12:19 pm
chessica wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:51 am
Peter Berger wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:49 pm When things work out, Patricia's game clearly is something else. 8-)

[Event "Lang 120min+10sek"]
[Site "Berlin"]
[Date "2024.07.30"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Crafty 25.6"]
[Black "Patricia 3"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B01"]
[PlyCount "156"]
[TimeControl "7200+10"]

{4096MB, DESKTOP-8OCGGEO} 1. e4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} d5 {[%eval 45,29] [%emt 0:03:47]} 2. exd5 {[%emt 0:00:07]} c6 {[%eval 58,30] [%emt 0:03:39]} 3. dxc6 {[%emt 0:03:06]} Nxc6 {[%eval 60,32] [%emt 0:02:32]} 4. Nf3 {[%emt 0:03:18] (Sc3)} e5 {[%eval 51,29] [%emt 0:03:26]} 5. Bb5 {[%emt 0:02:57]} Bd6 {[%eval 42,31] [%emt 0:02:30]} 6. Bxc6+ {[%emt 0:00:15] (Sc3)} bxc6 {[%eval 33,30] [%emt


...
Why do you write such unreadable stuff? The forum supports a pgn format, just like your Chessbase...
I agree that the ChessBase PGN is tough to read for human eyes. But it provides way more information than a more readable version. As most players here are no GMs I expect interested readers to copy/paste the moves into a GUI of their choice, so that they can scroll through the moves while getting the additional information, too.

Thats because they have EMT (Estimated Move Time?) enabled which I disable and there is also in option in CB software to remove when saving/exporting it.
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Re: Patricia 3

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The pgn tag is your friend.

[pgn][Event "Lang 120min+10sek"]
[Site "Berlin"]
[Date "2024.07.30"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Crafty 25.6"]
[Black "Patricia 3"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B01"]
[PlyCount "156"]
[TimeControl "7200+10"]

{4096MB, DESKTOP-8OCGGEO} 1. e4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} d5 {[%eval 45,29] [%emt 0:03:47]} 2. exd5 {[%emt 0:00:07]} c6 {[%eval 58,30] [%emt 0:03:39]} 3. dxc6 {[%emt 0:03:06]} Nxc6 {[%eval 60,32] [%emt 0:02:32]} 4. Nf3 {[%emt 0:03:18] (Sc3)} e5 {[%eval 51,29] [%emt 0:03:26]} 5. Bb5 {[%emt 0:02:57]} Bd6 {[%eval 42,31] [%emt 0:02:30]} 6. Bxc6+ {[%emt 0:00:15] (Sc3)} bxc6 {[%eval 33,30] [%emt 0:03:27]} 7. O-O {[%emt 0:00:07] (Sc3)} Ne7 {[%eval 35,29] [%emt 0:04:40]} 8. Re1 {[%emt 0:00:06] (Sc3)} O-O {[%eval 15,29] [%emt 0:03:09]} 9. Nxe5 {[%emt 0:02:51] (d4)} Ng6 {[%eval 61,29] [%emt 0:05:00]} 10. Nc4 {[%emt 0:00:08] (d4)} Bxh2+ {[%eval -1,28] [%emt 0:03:03]} 11. Kxh2 {[%emt 0:00:08]} Qh4+ {[%eval 0,31] [%emt 0:02:35]} 12. Kg1 {[%emt 0:00:07]} Bg4 {[%eval 0,33] [%emt 0:02:43]} 13. f3 {[%emt 0:03:26]} Nf4 {[%eval 0,33] [%emt 0:02:31]} 14. fxg4 {[%emt 0:02:57]} Qg3 {[%eval 15,34] [%emt 0:00:02]} 15. Re2 {[%emt 0:03:05]} Rae8 {[%eval 15,36] [%emt 0:00:01]} 16. Ne3 {[%emt 0:07:47]} f5 {[%eval 14,38] [%emt 0:00:01]} 17. gxf5 {[%emt 0:02:54]} Nh3+ {[%eval 14,39] [%emt 0:00:41]} 18. Kh1 {[%emt 0:01:23]} Nf2+ {[%eval 15,41] [%emt 0:01:12]} 19. Rxf2 {[%emt 0:00:50]} Qxf2 {[%eval 15,43] [%emt 0:02:29]} 20. Qf3 {[%emt 0:00:09]} Qe1+ {[%eval 14,41] [%emt 0:02:36]} 21. Kh2 {[%emt 0:00:06]} Rf6 {[%eval 15,43] [%emt 0:03:26]} 22. Nf1 {[%emt 0:09:07] (Sg4)} Qxc1 {[%eval -189,30] [%emt 0:03:31]} 23. g4 {[%emt 0:02:48] (a4)} Re1 {[%eval -168,27] [%emt 0:03:38]} 24. Kg2 {[%emt 0:00:52]} Rf7 {[%eval -168,27] [%emt 0:01:25]} 25. b4 {[%emt 0:00:14] (a4)} Qb2 {[%eval -157,28] [%emt 0:03:04]} 26. Qc3 {[%emt 0:00:09]} Qc1 {[%eval -167,28] [%emt 0:02:22]} 27. Ng3 {[%emt 0:04:52] (Df3)} h5 {[%eval -230,31] [%emt 0:06:55]} 28. gxh5 {[%emt 0:06:38] (Dd4)} Rg1+ {[%eval -248,32] [%emt 0:01:43]} 29. Kh3 {[%emt 0:00:11] (Kh2)} Qe1 {[%eval -250,33] [%emt 0:03:02]} 30. Qf3 {[%emt 0:01:46] (Dd3)} Rxg3+ {[%eval -252,34] [%emt 0:01:35]} 31. Qxg3 {[%emt 0:00:12]} Qf1+ {[%eval -238,35] [%emt 0:01:59]} 32. Kh4 {[%emt 0:00:09]} Rxf5 {[%eval -240,36] [%emt 0:01:38]} 33. Nc3 {[%emt 0:00:21]} Qxa1 {[%eval -238,36] [%emt 0:01:07]} 34. Kg4 {[%emt 0:02:11]} Rf7 {[%eval -239,35] [%emt 0:00:01]} 35. Qe3 {[%emt 0:01:37]} Qc1 {[%eval -238,37] [%emt 0:00:01]} 36. Ne4 {[%emt 0:01:09]} Qxc2 {[%eval -238,39] [%emt 0:00:52]} 37. Ng5 {[%emt 0:00:13]} Qf5+ {[%eval -239,40] [%emt 0:02:10]} 38. Kg3 {[%emt 0:00:06]} Rf6 {[%eval -247,39] [%emt 0:07:32]} 39. d4 {[%emt 0:00:16]} Kf8 {[%eval -247,34] [%emt 0:01:03]} 40. a3 {[%emt 0:01:02] (De5)} Rh6 {[%eval -251,36] [%emt 0:01:05]} 41. Kh4 {[%emt 0:00:14]} Rd6 {[%eval -249,37] [%emt 0:00:47]} 42. Kg3 {[%emt 0:01:09]} Rd5 {[%eval -257,37] [%emt 0:00:53]} 43. Ne6+ {[%emt 0:01:33]} Kg8 {[%eval -256,37] [%emt 0:00:01]} 44. Nf4 {[%emt 0:01:05]} Rd8 {[%eval -268,34] [%emt 0:00:12]} 45. Qe5 {[%emt 0:01:10]} Qf7 {[%eval -272,33] [%emt 0:00:15]} 46. Ng6 {[%emt 0:01:07]} Re8 {[%eval -277,35] [%emt 0:00:01]} 47. Qf4 {[%emt 0:03:08]} Qb3+ {[%eval -281,36] [%emt 0:00:01]} 48. Kh4 {[%emt 0:01:17]} Qd5 {[%eval -288,34] [%emt 0:00:01]} 49. Ne5 {[%emt 0:01:09]} Rf8 {[%eval -278,35] [%emt 0:00:01]} 50. Qe3 {[%emt 0:01:02]} Rf5 {[%eval -298,34] [%emt 0:00:13]} 51. Kg3 {[%emt 0:00:31]} Qe6 {[%eval -300,33] [%emt 0:00:26]} 52. Qe2 {[%emt 0:04:41]} Qh6 {[%eval -302,33] [%emt 0:00:01]} 53. Qe4 {[%emt 0:01:07] (Sg4)} Qxh5 {[%eval -314,34] [%emt 0:01:24]} 54. Nf3 {[%emt 0:00:11]} Rf6 {[%eval -322,35] [%emt 0:02:47]} 55. a4 {[%emt 0:00:36] (Kg2)} Kf8 {[%eval -354,32] [%emt 0:01:24]} 56. b5 {[%emt 0:00:11] (Kg2)} cxb5 {[%eval -471,28] [%emt 0:01:12]} 57. axb5 {[%emt 0:01:00]} Qg6+ {[%eval -542,33] [%emt 0:01:21]} 58. Qxg6 {[%emt 0:00:08]} Rxg6+ {[%eval -555,29] [%emt 0:00:36]} 59. Kf4 {[%emt 0:00:43]} Rb6 {[%eval -575,30] [%emt 0:00:06]} 60. d5 {[%emt 0:01:35] (Ke5)} Rxb5 {[%eval -650,33] [%emt 0:02:11]} 61. Ke5 {[%emt 0:00:08]} a5 {[%eval -687,31] [%emt 0:00:37]} 62. Nd4 {[%emt 0:00:19]} Rb1 {[%eval -714,32] [%emt 0:00:31]} 63. Ne6+ {[%emt 0:00:39]} Kf7 {[%eval -747,34] [%emt 0:00:53]} 64. Nc5 {[%emt 0:00:34]} Ra1 {[%eval -761,29] [%emt 0:00:45]} 65. Kd6 {[%emt 0:00:34] (Kd4)} a4 {[%eval -1276,27] [%emt 0:01:16]} 66. Ne4 {[%emt 0:00:08]} Rc1 {[%eval -1890,26] [%emt 0:00:30]} 67. Ng5+ {[%emt 0:00:32]} Kg6 {[%eval -32619,27] [%emt 0:00:26]} 68. Nf3 {[%emt 0:00:32] (Se6)} a3 {[%eval -32739,40] [%emt 0:01:44]} 69. Ne5+ {[%emt 0:00:09]} Kf5 {[%eval -32741,44] [%emt 0:00:20]} 70. Nd3 {[%emt 0:00:10]} a2 {[%eval -32743,43] [%emt 0:00:18]} 71. Nxc1 {[%emt 0:00:30]} a1=Q {[%eval -32745,43] [%emt 0:00:14]} 72. Nb3 {[%emt 0:00:08]} Qf6+ {[%eval -32747,43] [%emt 0:00:43]} 73. Kd7 {[%emt 0:00:31]} Qc3 {[%eval -32749,42] [%emt 0:00:03]} 74. Nc5 {[%emt 0:00:18] (Sd2)} Qxc5 {[%eval -32755,41] [%emt 0:00:28]} 75. Kd8 {[%emt 0:00:06]} Qa7 {[%eval -32757,41] [%emt 0:00:40]} 76. Kc8 {[%emt 0:00:08] (Ke8)} Ke5 {[%eval -32761,41] [%emt 0:00:55]} 77. Kd8 {[%emt 0:00:07]} Kd6 {[%eval -32763,42] [%emt 0:01:15]} 78. Kc8 {[%emt 0:00:07]} Qa8# {[%eval -32765,43] [%emt 0:00:19]} 0-1[/pgn]
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Re: Patricia 3

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Interesting line for black. I play the Scandinavian a lot. I will. Have to look at this line.
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Re: Patricia 3

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reflectionofpower wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:22 pm Interesting line for black. I play the Scandinavian a lot. I will. Have to look at this line.
Most people will play 3.d4 and the opening will become an exchange Caro Kann.

So just make sure you're comfortable in that scenario.
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Re: Patricia 3

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Krzysztof Grzelak wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:39 am Sorry, you may have had too high expectations for your engine.
What are you talking about?

It seems to me that the author is pretty happy with where Patricia is right now and hungry to make it even better (in features! not Elo necessarily).

If you don't like that, stick to Stockfish.
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Re: Patricia 3

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"The depth during the game"? What's that? Search depth? Underwater chess?
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Re: Patricia 3

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lol
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Re: Patricia 3

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Krzysztof Grzelak wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 8:55 am
BrendanJNorman wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:40 am What are you talking about?

It seems to me that the author is pretty happy with where Patricia is right now and hungry to make it even better (in features! not Elo necessarily).

If you don't like that, stick to Stockfish.
I wrote so on the forum " I think there are still many things that the programmer needs to improve in his program, although the depth during the game is very poor ". One gentleman wrote me on the forum that I behaved not nicely and with a lack of culture regarding the author of the engine.
It's ok, don't worry; I know there are many places to improve Patricia, and I will do it as much as I can! It just takes some time, that's all :mrgreen:
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Re: Patricia 3

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I think its a GREAT idea to make Patricia „human mode“ especially for weaker player from 1500 - 200 Elo. :D You can hardly find an engine you can set to 1500 Elo that plays really weak like a 1500 Elo player - most engines play like a 2000 Elo player! :twisted:
I also think that a hardcodes gambit book - you can set „yes or no“ in the uci settings is a GREAT idea - it make Particia even more UNIQUE! :mrgreen:

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Re: Patricia 3

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PeterO wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 6:28 pm I think its a GREAT idea to make Patricia „human mode“ especially for weaker player from 1500 - 200 Elo. :D You can hardly find an engine you can set to 1500 Elo that plays really weak like a 1500 Elo player - most engines play like a 2000 Elo player! :twisted:
I also think that a hardcodes gambit book - you can set „yes or no“ in the uci settings is a GREAT idea - it make Particia even more UNIQUE! :mrgreen:

Peter
I second that with the gambit book idea. Rebel still carries a gambit book in MVS format which Fritzy can import, but the lines are older. I would like to see ALL the latest wacko gambit lines imaginable. The programmer only has so much time, and he is not getting paid for it.
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