Any Examples of The King's Tactical Abilities?

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Re: Any Examples of The King's Tactical Abilities?

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Tibono wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:09 pm Hi Steve,
in a chess computers competition I recently ran, I have been impressed by The King Performance announcement 'mate in 13', level Normal 5 (average 15secs/move) after 5 seconds and 270 Knodes:

[d]6k1/qp4pb/2p4p/p1n5/2P1N3/P2rQP1P/1P4P1/1K2R3 w - - 0 29

The engine is The King v2.61; CPU: ARM Cortex M7 @300Mhz.

I checked using several modern engines on my PC (Intel Core i5), many are way slower.
As you suspect, The King is very efficient at mating tactics.
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What nps do you get from the start position on that machine?
I think the engine is basically the same as the TASC R30 1995
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Re: Any Examples of The King's Tactical Abilities?

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Werewolf wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:19 pm What nps do you get from the start position on that machine?
Close to 30 Knodes/sec. Displayed steps (nodes & time):

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919826   31secs --> 29671
3323K  1m51secs --> 29937
4421K  2m29secs --> 29671
11737K 6m26secs --> 30407
KR,
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Re: Any Examples of The King's Tactical Abilities?

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[pgn][Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "1994.1.26"]
[White "The King"]
[Black ""]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Setup "1"]
[FEN "r7/8/4p2k/3p1bR1/7r/Np6/1P6/K5R1 w - - 0 1"]

1. Rh5+ *[/pgn]
r7/8/4p2k/3p1bR1/7r/Np6/1P6/K5R1 w - -

If memory serves me well this was during the WCCC in Munich 1993 and was unprecedented with the hardware of that time.
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Re: Any Examples of The King's Tactical Abilities?

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Rebel wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 7:32 pm If memory serves me well this was during the WCCC in Munich 1993 and was unprecedented with the hardware of that time.
Thank you Ed for this test position; well, 2019 King Performance plays the same Rh5+ move and announces 0.00 score in 10 secs and 392Knodes.
Nice!
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Re: Any Examples of The King's Tactical Abilities?

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Werewolf wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:44 pm [d]8/6B1/3p4/3P2pk/5q1p/N2Q3b/3n2P1/6K1 b - - 0 1

Mephisto Almeria - Deep Thought
The supercomputer found 1...Bg2! at tournament time controls. The TASC R40 finds it in 20 minutes.
The King from CM9000 finds Bxg2 in less than second.
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Re: Any Examples of The King's Tactical Abilities?

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Werewolf wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:54 pm From Capablanca's notes to one of his games:

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nd7 5. Nf3 Ngf6 6. Nxf6+ Nxf6 7. Ne5 Bd6 8. Qf3 c6 9. c3 O-O 10. Bg5 Be7 11. Bd3 Bd7 12. Qh3 h6

[d]r2q1rk1/pp1bbpp1/2p1pn1p/4N1B1/3P4/2PB3Q/PP3PPP/R3K2R w KQ - 0 13
13. Bxh6 !
The King from CM9000 finds Bxh6 in one second.
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Re: Any Examples of The King's Tactical Abilities?

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Werewolf wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:57 pm And one more:

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. c4 Nb6 4. d4 Nc6

[d]r1bqkb1r/pppppppp/1nn5/4P3/2PP4/8/PP3PPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 5

5. d5!
The King from CM9000 finds this "instantly", needing to search only 57,656 nodes at depth 1/6.
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Re: Any Examples of The King's Tactical Abilities?

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Tibono wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:09 pm Hi Steve,
in a chess computers competition I recently ran, I have been impressed by The King Performance announcement 'mate in 13', level Normal 5 (average 15secs/move) after 5 seconds and 270 Knodes:

[d]6k1/qp4pb/2p4p/p1n5/2P1N3/P2rQP1P/1P4P1/1K2R3 w - - 0 29

The engine is The King v2.61; CPU: ARM Cortex M7 @300Mhz.
The King from CM9000 (v3.23) announces Mate in 13 in less than a second.
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Re: Any Examples of The King's Tactical Abilities?

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Rebel wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 7:32 pm [pgn][Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "1994.1.26"]
[White "The King"]
[Black ""]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Setup "1"]
[FEN "r7/8/4p2k/3p1bR1/7r/Np6/1P6/K5R1 w - - 0 1"]

1. Rh5+ *[/pgn]
r7/8/4p2k/3p1bR1/7r/Np6/1P6/K5R1 w - -

If memory serves me well this was during the WCCC in Munich 1993 and was unprecedented with the hardware of that time.
One thing I never understood is why Mephisto didn't realise a 32MHz version of Gideon 3.1 (RISC II program - which ran at 14MHz) as TASC did with The ChessMachine.
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Re: Any Examples of The King's Tactical Abilities?

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Werewolf wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 10:42 pm
Rebel wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 7:32 pm [pgn][Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "1994.1.26"]
[White "The King"]
[Black ""]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Setup "1"]
[FEN "r7/8/4p2k/3p1bR1/7r/Np6/1P6/K5R1 w - - 0 1"]

1. Rh5+ *[/pgn]
r7/8/4p2k/3p1bR1/7r/Np6/1P6/K5R1 w - -

If memory serves me well this was during the WCCC in Munich 1993 and was unprecedented with the hardware of that time.
One thing I never understood is why Mephisto didn't realise a 32MHz version of Gideon 3.1 (RISC II program - which ran at 14MHz) as TASC did with The ChessMachine.
They were already close to bankruptcy, so it did not matter any longer.
90% of coding is debugging, the other 10% is writing bugs.