Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

[Father]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

In LiChess blitz games that bot performs around 2400 Lichess level, which is considered to be equivalent to 2235 FIDE rating. Of course it would be lower at longer time controls, but you are playing blitz, so the above is appropriate for you.

Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman. On November 3, 2024, I played a very considerable number of games at a time control level of 3 minutes per game, with LeelaQueenOdds, the result is the following: 95 games in total. LeelaQueenOdds had 33 wins, 20 losses, and 42 draws. Consequently, on November 3, 2024, the computer defeated me 54 to 41.
On November 4, 2024, 3 matches were controlled and timed for 3 minutes, and the result in the final standings is, in my favor, 2 wins and 1 draw. On the other hand, 1 bullet game and the computer and I are equal. My opinion about LeelaQueenOdds, in the current state of the art, is that the LeelaQueenOdds computer has substantially improved its level. Today I ended up exhausted, but good.

So overall your results before the update were about 60% which is +70 elo, and after the update results are about -40 elo for you, so LeelaQueenOdds has improved about 110 elo against you. But you are probably getting better at playing queen odds with experience, so the actual improvement is probably more than this. Maybe 150 elo would be a good guess and reasonably close to our expectations.

...for my taste, it would be very emblematic, if at the blitz game levels without game increase, 5-0 and 3-0, LeelaQueenOdds acquires a GM level of game and performance.

[Father]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

In LiChess blitz games that bot performs around 2400 Lichess level, which is considered to be equivalent to 2235 FIDE rating. Of course it would be lower at longer time controls, but you are playing blitz, so the above is appropriate for you.

Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman. On November 3, 2024, I played a very considerable number of games at a time control level of 3 minutes per game, with LeelaQueenOdds, the result is the following: 95 games in total. LeelaQueenOdds had 33 wins, 20 losses, and 42 draws. Consequently, on November 3, 2024, the computer defeated me 54 to 41.
On November 4, 2024, 3 matches were controlled and timed for 3 minutes, and the result in the final standings is, in my favor, 2 wins and 1 draw. On the other hand, 1 bullet game and the computer and I are equal. My opinion about LeelaQueenOdds, in the current state of the art, is that the LeelaQueenOdds computer has substantially improved its level. Today I ended up exhausted, but good.

So overall your results before the update were about 60% which is +70 elo, and after the update results are about -40 elo for you, so LeelaQueenOdds has improved about 110 elo against you. But you are probably getting better at playing queen odds with experience, so the actual improvement is probably more than this. Maybe 150 elo would be a good guess and reasonably close to our expectations.

...for my taste, it would be very emblematic, if at the blitz game levels without game increase, 5-0 and 3-0, LeelaQueenOdds acquires a GM level of game and performance.

Mr. Larry Kaufman... I would like to give you an idea for your study and analysis, although you consider it pertinent... if you observe my anti-machine thinking system, you will conclude that it comes from strategic resources of David against Goliath, and yes it has given time-tested results. Likewise, if LeelaQueenOdds acts in the manner of a block symphony with anti-GM bias, in my opinion the battlefront will replace the deficiencies in supplies and inputs attributable to the queen.

[Uri Blass]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

In LiChess blitz games that bot performs around 2400 Lichess level, which is considered to be equivalent to 2235 FIDE rating. Of course it would be lower at longer time controls, but you are playing blitz, so the above is appropriate for you.

Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman. On November 3, 2024, I played a very considerable number of games at a time control level of 3 minutes per game, with LeelaQueenOdds, the result is the following: 95 games in total. LeelaQueenOdds had 33 wins, 20 losses, and 42 draws. Consequently, on November 3, 2024, the computer defeated me 54 to 41.
On November 4, 2024, 3 matches were controlled and timed for 3 minutes, and the result in the final standings is, in my favor, 2 wins and 1 draw. On the other hand, 1 bullet game and the computer and I are equal. My opinion about LeelaQueenOdds, in the current state of the art, is that the LeelaQueenOdds computer has substantially improved its level. Today I ended up exhausted, but good.

So overall your results before the update were about 60% which is +70 elo, and after the update results are about -40 elo for you, so LeelaQueenOdds has improved about 110 elo against you. But you are probably getting better at playing queen odds with experience, so the actual improvement is probably more than this. Maybe 150 elo would be a good guess and reasonably close to our expectations.

I do not know if father improved but the first thing that I think about if you prepare for a better result is to prepare a book to memorize and it seems that father did not try to do it.

I see that he tried a lot of different moves against 1.d4 after winning with d5 in the following game

https://lichess.org/xnNxV6RV

1)a5 draw
https://lichess.org/y7TqLvmB/black

2)Nf6 loss
https://lichess.org/dSMOXY9X/black

3)d6 draw
https://lichess.org/jVeTnMIl/black

I wonder why not to use the following strategy of memorizing the moves that you played and won and do it part of your book when if you do not win simply see what you need to fix in your book based on analysis of the game.

Of course humans have a limited memory but I am sure they can at least memorize the first move.

[lkaufman]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

In LiChess blitz games that bot performs around 2400 Lichess level, which is considered to be equivalent to 2235 FIDE rating. Of course it would be lower at longer time controls, but you are playing blitz, so the above is appropriate for you.

Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman. On November 3, 2024, I played a very considerable number of games at a time control level of 3 minutes per game, with LeelaQueenOdds, the result is the following: 95 games in total. LeelaQueenOdds had 33 wins, 20 losses, and 42 draws. Consequently, on November 3, 2024, the computer defeated me 54 to 41.
On November 4, 2024, 3 matches were controlled and timed for 3 minutes, and the result in the final standings is, in my favor, 2 wins and 1 draw. On the other hand, 1 bullet game and the computer and I are equal. My opinion about LeelaQueenOdds, in the current state of the art, is that the LeelaQueenOdds computer has substantially improved its level. Today I ended up exhausted, but good.

So overall your results before the update were about 60% which is +70 elo, and after the update results are about -40 elo for you, so LeelaQueenOdds has improved about 110 elo against you. But you are probably getting better at playing queen odds with experience, so the actual improvement is probably more than this. Maybe 150 elo would be a good guess and reasonably close to our expectations.

I do not know if father improved but the first thing that I think about if you prepare for a better result is to prepare a book to memorize and it seems that father did not try to do it.

I see that he tried a lot of different moves against 1.d4 after winning with d5 in the following game

https://lichess.org/xnNxV6RV

1)a5 draw
https://lichess.org/y7TqLvmB/black

2)Nf6 loss
https://lichess.org/dSMOXY9X/black

3)d6 draw
https://lichess.org/jVeTnMIl/black

I wonder why not to use the following strategy of memorizing the moves that you played and won and do it part of your book when if you do not win simply see what you need to fix in your book based on analysis of the game.

Of course humans have a limited memory but I am sure they can at least memorize the first move.

I added several options on move 1 for all the odds tonite, so this won't be quite so easy to do. All the regulars who play the queen odds bot are seeing results drop by a hundred elo or so since the upgrade on Nov.2.

[Uri Blass]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

In LiChess blitz games that bot performs around 2400 Lichess level, which is considered to be equivalent to 2235 FIDE rating. Of course it would be lower at longer time controls, but you are playing blitz, so the above is appropriate for you.

Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman. On November 3, 2024, I played a very considerable number of games at a time control level of 3 minutes per game, with LeelaQueenOdds, the result is the following: 95 games in total. LeelaQueenOdds had 33 wins, 20 losses, and 42 draws. Consequently, on November 3, 2024, the computer defeated me 54 to 41.
On November 4, 2024, 3 matches were controlled and timed for 3 minutes, and the result in the final standings is, in my favor, 2 wins and 1 draw. On the other hand, 1 bullet game and the computer and I are equal. My opinion about LeelaQueenOdds, in the current state of the art, is that the LeelaQueenOdds computer has substantially improved its level. Today I ended up exhausted, but good.

So overall your results before the update were about 60% which is +70 elo, and after the update results are about -40 elo for you, so LeelaQueenOdds has improved about 110 elo against you. But you are probably getting better at playing queen odds with experience, so the actual improvement is probably more than this. Maybe 150 elo would be a good guess and reasonably close to our expectations.

I do not know if father improved but the first thing that I think about if you prepare for a better result is to prepare a book to memorize and it seems that father did not try to do it.

I see that he tried a lot of different moves against 1.d4 after winning with d5 in the following game

https://lichess.org/xnNxV6RV

1)a5 draw
https://lichess.org/y7TqLvmB/black

2)Nf6 loss
https://lichess.org/dSMOXY9X/black

3)d6 draw
https://lichess.org/jVeTnMIl/black

I wonder why not to use the following strategy of memorizing the moves that you played and won and do it part of your book when if you do not win simply see what you need to fix in your book based on analysis of the game.

Of course humans have a limited memory but I am sure they can at least memorize the first move.

I added several options on move 1 for all the odds tonite, so this won't be quite so easy to do. All the regulars who play the queen odds bot are seeing results drop by a hundred elo or so since the upgrade on Nov.2.

1)I see that there are several options at move 1 but there are only 21 legal moves for white at move 1 without a queen and memorizing a reply for everyone of them is not so hard.

2)I wonder if you tested Leela with queen odds also against weak chess engines and if there is a similiar elo improvement against weak engines.

Of course I expect it to lose against everything with 2500 CCRL blitz rating list but it may have chances at least against part of the engines below 2000 in the CCRL rating list if not against all of them

https://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/404/

[lkaufman]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

In LiChess blitz games that bot performs around 2400 Lichess level, which is considered to be equivalent to 2235 FIDE rating. Of course it would be lower at longer time controls, but you are playing blitz, so the above is appropriate for you.

Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman. On November 3, 2024, I played a very considerable number of games at a time control level of 3 minutes per game, with LeelaQueenOdds, the result is the following: 95 games in total. LeelaQueenOdds had 33 wins, 20 losses, and 42 draws. Consequently, on November 3, 2024, the computer defeated me 54 to 41.
On November 4, 2024, 3 matches were controlled and timed for 3 minutes, and the result in the final standings is, in my favor, 2 wins and 1 draw. On the other hand, 1 bullet game and the computer and I are equal. My opinion about LeelaQueenOdds, in the current state of the art, is that the LeelaQueenOdds computer has substantially improved its level. Today I ended up exhausted, but good.

So overall your results before the update were about 60% which is +70 elo, and after the update results are about -40 elo for you, so LeelaQueenOdds has improved about 110 elo against you. But you are probably getting better at playing queen odds with experience, so the actual improvement is probably more than this. Maybe 150 elo would be a good guess and reasonably close to our expectations.

I do not know if father improved but the first thing that I think about if you prepare for a better result is to prepare a book to memorize and it seems that father did not try to do it.

I see that he tried a lot of different moves against 1.d4 after winning with d5 in the following game

https://lichess.org/xnNxV6RV

1)a5 draw
https://lichess.org/y7TqLvmB/black

2)Nf6 loss
https://lichess.org/dSMOXY9X/black

3)d6 draw
https://lichess.org/jVeTnMIl/black

I wonder why not to use the following strategy of memorizing the moves that you played and won and do it part of your book when if you do not win simply see what you need to fix in your book based on analysis of the game.

Of course humans have a limited memory but I am sure they can at least memorize the first move.

I added several options on move 1 for all the odds tonite, so this won't be quite so easy to do. All the regulars who play the queen odds bot are seeing results drop by a hundred elo or so since the upgrade on Nov.2.

1)I see that there are several options at move 1 but there are only 21 legal moves for white at move 1 without a queen and memorizing a reply for everyone of them is not so hard.

2)I wonder if you tested Leela with queen odds also against weak chess engines and if there is a similiar elo improvement against weak engines.

Of course I expect it to lose against everything with 2500 CCRL blitz rating list but it may have chances at least against part of the engines below 2000 in the CCRL rating list if not against all of them

https://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/404/

Yes, I did test Leela at queen odds vs weak/crippled engines, and got similar (somewhat larger) elo gains. The best match for the current LeelaQueenOdds using Komodo 14.1 skill levels is level 15 with -100 Contempt to seek trades, pretty even match. Not sure where that would fit on the CCRL list, either blitz or Rapid, but it is a more suitable opponent than a random engine that may not know to simplify when ahead.

[lkaufman]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

In LiChess blitz games that bot performs around 2400 Lichess level, which is considered to be equivalent to 2235 FIDE rating. Of course it would be lower at longer time controls, but you are playing blitz, so the above is appropriate for you.

Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman. On November 3, 2024, I played a very considerable number of games at a time control level of 3 minutes per game, with LeelaQueenOdds, the result is the following: 95 games in total. LeelaQueenOdds had 33 wins, 20 losses, and 42 draws. Consequently, on November 3, 2024, the computer defeated me 54 to 41.
On November 4, 2024, 3 matches were controlled and timed for 3 minutes, and the result in the final standings is, in my favor, 2 wins and 1 draw. On the other hand, 1 bullet game and the computer and I are equal. My opinion about LeelaQueenOdds, in the current state of the art, is that the LeelaQueenOdds computer has substantially improved its level. Today I ended up exhausted, but good.

So overall your results before the update were about 60% which is +70 elo, and after the update results are about -40 elo for you, so LeelaQueenOdds has improved about 110 elo against you. But you are probably getting better at playing queen odds with experience, so the actual improvement is probably more than this. Maybe 150 elo would be a good guess and reasonably close to our expectations.

...for my taste, it would be very emblematic, if at the blitz game levels without game increase, 5-0 and 3-0, LeelaQueenOdds acquires a GM level of game and performance.

Mr. Larry Kaufman... I would like to give you an idea for your study and analysis, although you consider it pertinent... if you observe my anti-machine thinking system, you will conclude that it comes from strategic resources of David against Goliath, and yes it has given time-tested results. Likewise, if LeelaQueenOdds acts in the manner of a block symphony with anti-GM bias, in my opinion the battlefront will replace the deficiencies in supplies and inputs attributable to the queen.

You will be very glad to hear that a Leaderboard system is now online for LeelaQueenOdds at https://marcogio9.github.io/LeelaQueenOdds-Leaderboard/ . You are number 2 on the list now! It is still being refined and I'm not sure when it is being updated, but it gives ratings based on what rating you should achieve on LiChess blitz playing 3'2" games, based on your queen odds games! It considers what time limits you play at, what color you play, and your results. It should be reasonably accurate once there are enough games with the upgraded bot.

[Uri Blass]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

In LiChess blitz games that bot performs around 2400 Lichess level, which is considered to be equivalent to 2235 FIDE rating. Of course it would be lower at longer time controls, but you are playing blitz, so the above is appropriate for you.

Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman. On November 3, 2024, I played a very considerable number of games at a time control level of 3 minutes per game, with LeelaQueenOdds, the result is the following: 95 games in total. LeelaQueenOdds had 33 wins, 20 losses, and 42 draws. Consequently, on November 3, 2024, the computer defeated me 54 to 41.
On November 4, 2024, 3 matches were controlled and timed for 3 minutes, and the result in the final standings is, in my favor, 2 wins and 1 draw. On the other hand, 1 bullet game and the computer and I are equal. My opinion about LeelaQueenOdds, in the current state of the art, is that the LeelaQueenOdds computer has substantially improved its level. Today I ended up exhausted, but good.

So overall your results before the update were about 60% which is +70 elo, and after the update results are about -40 elo for you, so LeelaQueenOdds has improved about 110 elo against you. But you are probably getting better at playing queen odds with experience, so the actual improvement is probably more than this. Maybe 150 elo would be a good guess and reasonably close to our expectations.

...for my taste, it would be very emblematic, if at the blitz game levels without game increase, 5-0 and 3-0, LeelaQueenOdds acquires a GM level of game and performance.

Mr. Larry Kaufman... I would like to give you an idea for your study and analysis, although you consider it pertinent... if you observe my anti-machine thinking system, you will conclude that it comes from strategic resources of David against Goliath, and yes it has given time-tested results. Likewise, if LeelaQueenOdds acts in the manner of a block symphony with anti-GM bias, in my opinion the battlefront will replace the deficiencies in supplies and inputs attributable to the queen.

You will be very glad to hear that a Leaderboard system is now online for LeelaQueenOdds at https://marcogio9.github.io/LeelaQueenOdds-Leaderboard/ . You are number 2 on the list now! It is still being refined and I'm not sure when it is being updated, but it gives ratings based on what rating you should achieve on LiChess blitz playing 3'2" games, based on your queen odds games! It considers what time limits you play at, what color you play, and your results. It should be reasonably accurate once there are enough games with the upgraded bot.

I played 4 games at time control 3+2 against leelaqueen odds and won 2.5-1.5
I wonder if there is a minimal number of games to be included in the list.

Here is my last game

https://lichess.org/BKObn8YT

Comments:
1)I knew that 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c3 c5 is theory in regular chess so I was not afraid to play this line when white has not a queen.
2)4...cxd4 is the simplest trading pawns.
3)I played 6...Bg4 to trade the bishop.
I saw that if 7.Nh4 then g5 and 7.Ng1 is passive so lc0 decided to allow me to trade the bishop(not sure if Ng1 was practically better because being passive is also a problem.

4)I knew that 12...Ne4 lose a pawn but I think that it is a good deal to lose 4 against 3 in this game(I use 1.3,5,9 values to make things simple).
Before the trade my material value was 35 against 26 of white and the ratio is 35/26 when after the trade I have 31 against 23
I did not calculate it during the game but 31/23=1.3478...>35/26=1.34615... so I basically improved my material ratio even if I consider bishop to be equal to a knight and I consider the bishop to be stronger.

5)17...e5 was a good move to get more trades and I prepared it earlier.

6)21...Bxc3 was another good move.

material ratio before Bxc3 was 27/19=1.421...
After the game line 21...Bxc3 22.bxc3 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qxc3 material ratio is 19/12=1.5833...
white could play 22.Rec1 that I expected but after Qxf3 gxf3 Bxb2 Rab1 Bxc1 Rxc1 material ratio is even worse 15/9=1.6666...

I did not plan Qxf3 but also the line 22...Bxb2 Rxc6 bxc6 is good enough with material ratio 18/12=1.5 that is better than 1.421

7)I considered 24...Qxe1+ that is also winning but no reason to reduce material ratio from 19/12 to 10/7 that is smaller than 1.5

8)I considered 28...Qxe3 as the simplest way to win.
material ratio was 19/11=1.7272.. before this move and only 10/6=1.6666... after the move but I already saw that white has nothing to do to stop the a pawn because the king is not close.

9)33...a1=Q is of course a safe win for black but I already saw that I can safely get a queen and prevent white to sacrifice the knight for it

10)37.Na1 is practically a bad move and 37.Nd4 was better and maybe give some practical chances against significantly weaker players than me but I am sure I could win also against 37.Nd4

[Father]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

In LiChess blitz games that bot performs around 2400 Lichess level, which is considered to be equivalent to 2235 FIDE rating. Of course it would be lower at longer time controls, but you are playing blitz, so the above is appropriate for you.

Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman. On November 3, 2024, I played a very considerable number of games at a time control level of 3 minutes per game, with LeelaQueenOdds, the result is the following: 95 games in total. LeelaQueenOdds had 33 wins, 20 losses, and 42 draws. Consequently, on November 3, 2024, the computer defeated me 54 to 41.
On November 4, 2024, 3 matches were controlled and timed for 3 minutes, and the result in the final standings is, in my favor, 2 wins and 1 draw. On the other hand, 1 bullet game and the computer and I are equal. My opinion about LeelaQueenOdds, in the current state of the art, is that the LeelaQueenOdds computer has substantially improved its level. Today I ended up exhausted, but good.

So overall your results before the update were about 60% which is +70 elo, and after the update results are about -40 elo for you, so LeelaQueenOdds has improved about 110 elo against you. But you are probably getting better at playing queen odds with experience, so the actual improvement is probably more than this. Maybe 150 elo would be a good guess and reasonably close to our expectations.

...for my taste, it would be very emblematic, if at the blitz game levels without game increase, 5-0 and 3-0, LeelaQueenOdds acquires a GM level of game and performance.

Mr. Larry Kaufman... I would like to give you an idea for your study and analysis, although you consider it pertinent... if you observe my anti-machine thinking system, you will conclude that it comes from strategic resources of David against Goliath, and yes it has given time-tested results. Likewise, if LeelaQueenOdds acts in the manner of a block symphony with anti-GM bias, in my opinion the battlefront will replace the deficiencies in supplies and inputs attributable to the queen.

You will be very glad to hear that a Leaderboard system is now online for LeelaQueenOdds at https://marcogio9.github.io/LeelaQueenOdds-Leaderboard/ . You are number 2 on the list now! It is still being refined and I'm not sure when it is being updated, but it gives ratings based on what rating you should achieve on LiChess blitz playing 3'2" games, based on your queen odds games! It considers what time limits you play at, what color you play, and your results. It should be reasonably accurate once there are enough games with the upgraded bot.

I played 4 games at time control 3+2 against leelaqueen odds and won 2.5-1.5
I wonder if there is a minimal number of games to be included in the list.

Here is my last game

https://lichess.org/BKObn8YT

Comments:
1)I knew that 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c3 c5 is theory in regular chess so I was not afraid to play this line when white has not a queen.
2)4...cxd4 is the simplest trading pawns.
3)I played 6...Bg4 to trade the bishop.
I saw that if 7.Nh4 then g5 and 7.Ng1 is passive so lc0 decided to allow me to trade the bishop(not sure if Ng1 was practically better because being passive is also a problem.

4)I knew that 12...Ne4 lose a pawn but I think that it is a good deal to lose 4 against 3 in this game(I use 1.3,5,9 values to make things simple).
Before the trade my material value was 35 against 26 of white and the ratio is 35/26 when after the trade I have 31 against 23
I did not calculate it during the game but 31/23=1.3478...>35/26=1.34615... so I basically improved my material ratio even if I consider bishop to be equal to a knight and I consider the bishop to be stronger.

5)17...e5 was a good move to get more trades and I prepared it earlier.

6)21...Bxc3 was another good move.

material ratio before Bxc3 was 27/19=1.421...
After the game line 21...Bxc3 22.bxc3 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qxc3 material ratio is 19/12=1.5833...
white could play 22.Rec1 that I expected but after Qxf3 gxf3 Bxb2 Rab1 Bxc1 Rxc1 material ratio is even worse 15/9=1.6666...

I did not plan Qxf3 but also the line 22...Bxb2 Rxc6 bxc6 is good enough with material ratio 18/12=1.5 that is better than 1.421

7)I considered 24...Qxe1+ that is also winning but no reason to reduce material ratio from 19/12 to 10/7 that is smaller than 1.5

8)I considered 28...Qxe3 as the simplest way to win.
material ratio was 19/11=1.7272.. before this move and only 10/6=1.6666... after the move but I already saw that white has nothing to do to stop the a pawn because the king is not close.

9)33...a1=Q is of course a safe win for black but I already saw that I can safely get a queen and prevent white to sacrifice the knight for it

10)37.Na1 is practically a bad move and 37.Nd4 was better and maybe give some practical chances against significantly weaker players than me but I am sure I could win also against 37.Nd4

Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman for your information and teachings. Of course I'm happy to be #2 on the LeelaQueenOdds Top 100 Contenders leaderboard in 3-0 time controls per battle. This situation motivates me and produces happiness; No matter what place I occupy or will occupy in the table, I will continue with the help of the Programmer of my soul in the war to be a better human every day. I have several questions that I would like you to help me resolve, please: 1- According to this table, what Elo Lichess has LeelaQueenOdds?; 2- What Elo Fide would LeelaQueenOdds have? 3- What Elo Lichess and Fide do I have as a result of these tests and game atmosphere? On the other hand, I would like to suggest, if Lichess is willing to implement it, that the system, in all game environments and variables, produce a list of the hundred best human players facing modules; each module, a list, or at least the most famous modules. This table of positions that I suggested should be objective, simply the table would be and reflect the result of the confrontations of man against machine, without caring at all about the person who faces them, be it an amateur, be it the one or the other, world champion of human chess, be it Gary Kasparov, or be it Mr. "Xhuman". This system of measuring the power of the game of man against machines will open the projection and threshold of contenders. This table will be an accessibility motivation to achieve what is accessible by everyone. In addition, an interesting consequence will occur: The level of anti-machine humans will have to be endorsed or remain in the shadows.

[lkaufman]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

In LiChess blitz games that bot performs around 2400 Lichess level, which is considered to be equivalent to 2235 FIDE rating. Of course it would be lower at longer time controls, but you are playing blitz, so the above is appropriate for you.

Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman. On November 3, 2024, I played a very considerable number of games at a time control level of 3 minutes per game, with LeelaQueenOdds, the result is the following: 95 games in total. LeelaQueenOdds had 33 wins, 20 losses, and 42 draws. Consequently, on November 3, 2024, the computer defeated me 54 to 41.
On November 4, 2024, 3 matches were controlled and timed for 3 minutes, and the result in the final standings is, in my favor, 2 wins and 1 draw. On the other hand, 1 bullet game and the computer and I are equal. My opinion about LeelaQueenOdds, in the current state of the art, is that the LeelaQueenOdds computer has substantially improved its level. Today I ended up exhausted, but good.

So overall your results before the update were about 60% which is +70 elo, and after the update results are about -40 elo for you, so LeelaQueenOdds has improved about 110 elo against you. But you are probably getting better at playing queen odds with experience, so the actual improvement is probably more than this. Maybe 150 elo would be a good guess and reasonably close to our expectations.

...for my taste, it would be very emblematic, if at the blitz game levels without game increase, 5-0 and 3-0, LeelaQueenOdds acquires a GM level of game and performance.

Mr. Larry Kaufman... I would like to give you an idea for your study and analysis, although you consider it pertinent... if you observe my anti-machine thinking system, you will conclude that it comes from strategic resources of David against Goliath, and yes it has given time-tested results. Likewise, if LeelaQueenOdds acts in the manner of a block symphony with anti-GM bias, in my opinion the battlefront will replace the deficiencies in supplies and inputs attributable to the queen.

You will be very glad to hear that a Leaderboard system is now online for LeelaQueenOdds at https://marcogio9.github.io/LeelaQueenOdds-Leaderboard/ . You are number 2 on the list now! It is still being refined and I'm not sure when it is being updated, but it gives ratings based on what rating you should achieve on LiChess blitz playing 3'2" games, based on your queen odds games! It considers what time limits you play at, what color you play, and your results. It should be reasonably accurate once there are enough games with the upgraded bot.

I played 4 games at time control 3+2 against leelaqueen odds and won 2.5-1.5
I wonder if there is a minimal number of games to be included in the list.

Here is my last game

https://lichess.org/BKObn8YT

Comments:
1)I knew that 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c3 c5 is theory in regular chess so I was not afraid to play this line when white has not a queen.
2)4...cxd4 is the simplest trading pawns.
3)I played 6...Bg4 to trade the bishop.
I saw that if 7.Nh4 then g5 and 7.Ng1 is passive so lc0 decided to allow me to trade the bishop(not sure if Ng1 was practically better because being passive is also a problem.

4)I knew that 12...Ne4 lose a pawn but I think that it is a good deal to lose 4 against 3 in this game(I use 1.3,5,9 values to make things simple).
Before the trade my material value was 35 against 26 of white and the ratio is 35/26 when after the trade I have 31 against 23
I did not calculate it during the game but 31/23=1.3478...>35/26=1.34615... so I basically improved my material ratio even if I consider bishop to be equal to a knight and I consider the bishop to be stronger.

5)17...e5 was a good move to get more trades and I prepared it earlier.

6)21...Bxc3 was another good move.

material ratio before Bxc3 was 27/19=1.421...
After the game line 21...Bxc3 22.bxc3 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qxc3 material ratio is 19/12=1.5833...
white could play 22.Rec1 that I expected but after Qxf3 gxf3 Bxb2 Rab1 Bxc1 Rxc1 material ratio is even worse 15/9=1.6666...

I did not plan Qxf3 but also the line 22...Bxb2 Rxc6 bxc6 is good enough with material ratio 18/12=1.5 that is better than 1.421

7)I considered 24...Qxe1+ that is also winning but no reason to reduce material ratio from 19/12 to 10/7 that is smaller than 1.5

8)I considered 28...Qxe3 as the simplest way to win.
material ratio was 19/11=1.7272.. before this move and only 10/6=1.6666... after the move but I already saw that white has nothing to do to stop the a pawn because the king is not close.

9)33...a1=Q is of course a safe win for black but I already saw that I can safely get a queen and prevent white to sacrifice the knight for it

10)37.Na1 is practically a bad move and 37.Nd4 was better and maybe give some practical chances against significantly weaker players than me but I am sure I could win also against 37.Nd4

You are on the list, number 22 at 1692. You start at 1600 and move gradually away from that, so it does take a lot of games to get to anywhere near 2000.