Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

[Father]

I find it difficult to explain to my non-chess friends what it feels like to see these queen odds games.
Finally I came up with a way to express this (subjective) feeling: someone came up with a way to win at tic tac toe. What??? Exactly.

Cheers,
Peter

Good morning Peter. I feel transported to London and Berlin in the mid-19th century when I watch every game LeelaQueenOdds plays; the computer seems to draw a work of art with a brush, emulating the lines of play of the greats, Adolf Anderssen (white) and Lionel Kieseritzky (black) in London on June 21, 1851, and Adolf Anderssen - Jean Dufresne, 1852 in their game played in Berlin in 1852. LeelaQueenOdds could very well have the aliases of "The Immortal Machine" or "The Everlasting Machine". I too cannot find a way to explain to myself this new era of Odds chess. On the other hand, I am noticing that titled players are coming to the ring more and more. All this makes the battle between four worlds great and relevant. Happy day Peter.

I enjoyed your London 1851 take too. I do feel as if transported to a different dimension (different time?) when viewing these games.

Regards,
Peter

Peter. In these presentations of LeelaQueenOdds and chess computers, it seems that the entire history of chess is intertwined in one place: The ring: "The street quadrilateral." . Philidor, Kasparov, Deepblue, Kramnik. Nakamura, Fischer, Capablanca, Lasker, Steinitz Chigorin, Chess Challenger Level 7 from Fidelitl Electronics, and many others. I will always be grateful for the team of humans who are behind the creation of the giant LeelaQueenOdds.
Magical realism and science fiction. I wait with hope for the arrival of many fans and street players along with the titled players; I want to see them fight; Furthermore, I hope to soon observe a qualitative leap and a great increase in the power of LeelaQueenOdds that assaults the paradigms and transforms them.

In my own vision and experience, the most powerful chess machine is "LeelaQueenOdds". My qualification is comprehensive and qualitative, typical of a consolidated balance sheet in an accounting-like manner.

[Father]

I find it difficult to explain to my non-chess friends what it feels like to see these queen odds games.
Finally I came up with a way to express this (subjective) feeling: someone came up with a way to win at tic tac toe. What??? Exactly.

Cheers,
Peter

Good morning Peter. I feel transported to London and Berlin in the mid-19th century when I watch every game LeelaQueenOdds plays; the computer seems to draw a work of art with a brush, emulating the lines of play of the greats, Adolf Anderssen (white) and Lionel Kieseritzky (black) in London on June 21, 1851, and Adolf Anderssen - Jean Dufresne, 1852 in their game played in Berlin in 1852. LeelaQueenOdds could very well have the aliases of "The Immortal Machine" or "The Everlasting Machine". I too cannot find a way to explain to myself this new era of Odds chess. On the other hand, I am noticing that titled players are coming to the ring more and more. All this makes the battle between four worlds great and relevant. Happy day Peter.

I enjoyed your London 1851 take too. I do feel as if transported to a different dimension (different time?) when viewing these games.

Regards,
Peter

Peter.

The shares on the stock market representing "LeelaQueenOdds" continue to rise. The cybernetic queen has won a bid for an unknown Master of 2881 Lichess elo.!! Applause for the unknown Master, who does not lose the war despite having fallen to the ground in an assault in the great arena of the street ring. Long live the king!!

Regards,

Pablo

[Father]

I find it difficult to explain to my non-chess friends what it feels like to see these queen odds games.
Finally I came up with a way to express this (subjective) feeling: someone came up with a way to win at tic tac toe. What??? Exactly.

Cheers,
Peter

Good morning Peter. I feel transported to London and Berlin in the mid-19th century when I watch every game LeelaQueenOdds plays; the computer seems to draw a work of art with a brush, emulating the lines of play of the greats, Adolf Anderssen (white) and Lionel Kieseritzky (black) in London on June 21, 1851, and Adolf Anderssen - Jean Dufresne, 1852 in their game played in Berlin in 1852. LeelaQueenOdds could very well have the aliases of "The Immortal Machine" or "The Everlasting Machine". I too cannot find a way to explain to myself this new era of Odds chess. On the other hand, I am noticing that titled players are coming to the ring more and more. All this makes the battle between four worlds great and relevant. Happy day Peter.

I enjoyed your London 1851 take too. I do feel as if transported to a different dimension (different time?) when viewing these games.

Regards,
Peter

Peter. In these presentations of LeelaQueenOdds and chess computers, it seems that the entire history of chess is intertwined in one place: The ring: "The street quadrilateral." . Philidor, Kasparov, Deepblue, Kramnik. Nakamura, Fischer, Capablanca, Lasker, Steinitz Chigorin, Chess Challenger Level 7 from Fidelitl Electronics, and many others. I will always be grateful for the team of humans who are behind the creation of the giant LeelaQueenOdds.
Magical realism and science fiction. I wait with hope for the arrival of many fans and street players along with the titled players; I want to see them fight; Furthermore, I hope to soon observe a qualitative leap and a great increase in the power of LeelaQueenOdds that assaults the paradigms and transforms them.

In my own vision and experience, the most powerful chess machine is "LeelaQueenOdds". My qualification is comprehensive and qualitative, typical of a consolidated balance sheet in an accounting-like manner.

[pgn] Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/yJWH5HxF"]
[Date "2024.11.17"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "Master_Unknown"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.17"]
[UTCTime "18:35:12"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2742"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Time forfeit"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. Nf3 d5 2. b3 Nc6 3. Bb2 Nf6 4. e3 e5 5. Nxe5 Nxe5 6. Bxe5 Bd6 7. Bb2 Qe7 8. Nc3 c6 9. Ne2 Bf5 10. Nd4 Bg6 11. h4 h5 12. Nf3 O-O-O 13. Be2 Rhe8 14. a4 Ng4 15. a5 Ne5 16. a6 b6 17. Nd4 Qc7 18. f4 Ng4 19. O-O f5 20. Bd3 Qd7 21. Nf3 Nf6 22. Rac1 Ne4 23. Rfd1 Kb8 24. Bf1 Bf7 25. Re1 Bb4 26. Rcd1 Bd6 27. Bxg7 Rg8 28. Bb2 Ng3 29. Bd3 Rg4 30. Bf6 Rdg8 31. Bg5 Ne4 32. Nh2 Nxg5 33. hxg5 c5 34. Be2 d4 35. Bf3 Bc7 36. c4 Qd6 37. Nf1 Be8 38. Bxg4 hxg4 39. Ng3 Bg6 40. Kf2 Rd8 41. Ke2 dxe3 42. dxe3 Qe6 43. Rxd8+ Bxd8 44. Kf2 Qc8 45. Rd1 Bc7 46. Ra1 Qh8 47. Rh1 Qd8 48. Rh6 Qe8 49. Nf1 Bd6 50. Ng3 Bf8 51. Rh8 Qf7 52. Ne2 Qg7 53. Rh6 Qg8 54. Rh1 Bg7 55. Rd1 Qc8 56. Rd6 Qe8 57. Ng3 Kc7 58. Rd5 Qe6 59. Rd1 Qc8 60. Rd5 Qxa6 61. Nxf5 Bxf5 62. Rxf5 Qa2+ 63. Kg3 Bc3 64. Rf7+ Kc6 65. g6 Qxb3 66. g7 Bxg7 67. Rxg7 a5 68. Rg6+ Kb7 69. f5 Qxe3+ 70. Kxg4 a4 71. Re6 Qd4+ 72. Kg5 a3 73. Re7+ Ka6 74. Re8 Ka7 75. Re7+ Ka6 76. Re8 Ka5 77. f6 Qd2+ 78. Kh5 Qf4 79. Kg6 Qg4+ 80. Kh6 Qh4+ 81. Kg6 Qg3+ 82. Kf5 Qf2+ 83. Ke6 Qe3+ 84. Kf7 Qf4 85. Ke7 Qe4+ 86. Kf8 Qxc4 87. f7 Kb4 88. Ra8 Kb3 89. Kg7 Qd4+ 90. Kg8 Qg4+ 91. Kh8 Qe4 92. f8=Q Qe5+ 93. Kg8 { White wins on time. } 1-0[/pgn]

[Uri Blass]

I find it difficult to explain to my non-chess friends what it feels like to see these queen odds games.
Finally I came up with a way to express this (subjective) feeling: someone came up with a way to win at tic tac toe. What??? Exactly.

Cheers,
Peter

Good morning Peter. I feel transported to London and Berlin in the mid-19th century when I watch every game LeelaQueenOdds plays; the computer seems to draw a work of art with a brush, emulating the lines of play of the greats, Adolf Anderssen (white) and Lionel Kieseritzky (black) in London on June 21, 1851, and Adolf Anderssen - Jean Dufresne, 1852 in their game played in Berlin in 1852. LeelaQueenOdds could very well have the aliases of "The Immortal Machine" or "The Everlasting Machine". I too cannot find a way to explain to myself this new era of Odds chess. On the other hand, I am noticing that titled players are coming to the ring more and more. All this makes the battle between four worlds great and relevant. Happy day Peter.

I enjoyed your London 1851 take too. I do feel as if transported to a different dimension (different time?) when viewing these games.

Regards,
Peter

Peter. In these presentations of LeelaQueenOdds and chess computers, it seems that the entire history of chess is intertwined in one place: The ring: "The street quadrilateral." . Philidor, Kasparov, Deepblue, Kramnik. Nakamura, Fischer, Capablanca, Lasker, Steinitz Chigorin, Chess Challenger Level 7 from Fidelitl Electronics, and many others. I will always be grateful for the team of humans who are behind the creation of the giant LeelaQueenOdds.
Magical realism and science fiction. I wait with hope for the arrival of many fans and street players along with the titled players; I want to see them fight; Furthermore, I hope to soon observe a qualitative leap and a great increase in the power of LeelaQueenOdds that assaults the paradigms and transforms them.

In my own vision and experience, the most powerful chess machine is "LeelaQueenOdds". My qualification is comprehensive and qualitative, typical of a consolidated balance sheet in an accounting-like manner.

[pgn] Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/yJWH5HxF"]
[Date "2024.11.17"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "Master_Unknown"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.17"]
[UTCTime "18:35:12"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2742"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Time forfeit"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. Nf3 d5 2. b3 Nc6 3. Bb2 Nf6 4. e3 e5 5. Nxe5 Nxe5 6. Bxe5 Bd6 7. Bb2 Qe7 8. Nc3 c6 9. Ne2 Bf5 10. Nd4 Bg6 11. h4 h5 12. Nf3 O-O-O 13. Be2 Rhe8 14. a4 Ng4 15. a5 Ne5 16. a6 b6 17. Nd4 Qc7 18. f4 Ng4 19. O-O f5 20. Bd3 Qd7 21. Nf3 Nf6 22. Rac1 Ne4 23. Rfd1 Kb8 24. Bf1 Bf7 25. Re1 Bb4 26. Rcd1 Bd6 27. Bxg7 Rg8 28. Bb2 Ng3 29. Bd3 Rg4 30. Bf6 Rdg8 31. Bg5 Ne4 32. Nh2 Nxg5 33. hxg5 c5 34. Be2 d4 35. Bf3 Bc7 36. c4 Qd6 37. Nf1 Be8 38. Bxg4 hxg4 39. Ng3 Bg6 40. Kf2 Rd8 41. Ke2 dxe3 42. dxe3 Qe6 43. Rxd8+ Bxd8 44. Kf2 Qc8 45. Rd1 Bc7 46. Ra1 Qh8 47. Rh1 Qd8 48. Rh6 Qe8 49. Nf1 Bd6 50. Ng3 Bf8 51. Rh8 Qf7 52. Ne2 Qg7 53. Rh6 Qg8 54. Rh1 Bg7 55. Rd1 Qc8 56. Rd6 Qe8 57. Ng3 Kc7 58. Rd5 Qe6 59. Rd1 Qc8 60. Rd5 Qxa6 61. Nxf5 Bxf5 62. Rxf5 Qa2+ 63. Kg3 Bc3 64. Rf7+ Kc6 65. g6 Qxb3 66. g7 Bxg7 67. Rxg7 a5 68. Rg6+ Kb7 69. f5 Qxe3+ 70. Kxg4 a4 71. Re6 Qd4+ 72. Kg5 a3 73. Re7+ Ka6 74. Re8 Ka7 75. Re7+ Ka6 76. Re8 Ka5 77. f6 Qd2+ 78. Kh5 Qf4 79. Kg6 Qg4+ 80. Kh6 Qh4+ 81. Kg6 Qg3+ 82. Kf5 Qf2+ 83. Ke6 Qe3+ 84. Kf7 Qf4 85. Ke7 Qe4+ 86. Kf8 Qxc4 87. f7 Kb4 88. Ra8 Kb3 89. Kg7 Qd4+ 90. Kg8 Qg4+ 91. Kh8 Qe4 92. f8=Q Qe5+ 93. Kg8 { White wins on time. } 1-0[/pgn]

Looking at another game of that player it seems that he prefered to resign after blundering and not to get a draw that he could get.

https://lichess.org/CG5kwD8J

[Uri Blass]

another game of the master when he could win but it seems that his rook had some problem to make a long move and played the losing Rf2 instead of Rxf1

https://lichess.org/fT7FvKG3

[Father]

I think that the question if to allow the opponent to make a good sacrifice is dependent on the style of the opponent because it may be a good practical decision if the opponent is afraid to sacrifice.

Different players at the same rating can play differently so
leela may learn from history of games against the specific player if it is probably a good decision or not.

Learning from the game history of the opponent is currently beyond the capability of Leela or any other engine, but who knows, some day this may be possible. Already the "impossible" has happened with these bots.

Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman. I would like to know what is the meaning of the bullet time control? 1+ 0 is the same as 1+1 and 1+2; 3+ 0 is the same as 3+2 and 3+5. ...I would only be on my return to the streets in fights with bare hands and without boxing gloves, willing to fight or 1+0: 1+1 and 3 +0. How do time controls affect the elo classification of the top 100 table and how many games must be played to access the elo? In advance again, thank you. I also don't understand the reason why there can't be a top 100 table on LeelaknightOdds. The better will be the human who scores the most points in a series of confrontations, regardless of how few the human's points are... excuse my ignorance, I remind you that I am an apprentice poet...

For the meaning of bullet time control.
Lichess time controls are based on estimated game duration = (clock initial time in seconds) + 40 × (clock increment).
For instance, the estimated duration of a 5+3 game is 5 × 60 + 40 × 3 = 420 seconds.

≤ 29s = UltraBullet
≤ 179s = Bullet
≤ 479s = Blitz
≤ 1499s = Rapid
≥ 1500s = Classical

For the elo classification of the top 100 table if you play at longer time control then it means you play against an opponent with bigger rating.

LeelaQueenOdds as white 1+0 (Reference) 2611.8
LeelaQueenOdds as black 1+0 (Reference) 2561.8
LeelaQueenOdds as white 1+1 (Reference) 2461.0
LeelaQueenOdds as white 3+0 (Reference) 2447.1
LeelaQueenOdds as black 1+1 (Reference) 2411.0
LeelaQueenOdds as black 3+0 (Reference) 2397.1
LeelaQueenOdds as white 3+2 (Reference) 2349.6
LeelaQueenOdds as black 3+2 (Reference) 2299.6
LeelaQueenOdds as white 5+3 (Reference) 2291.4
LeelaQueenOdds as black 5+3 (Reference) 2241.4
LeelaQueenOdds as white 10+5 (Reference) 2210.9
LeelaQueenOdds as black 10+5 (Reference) 2160.9
LeelaQueenOdds as white 15+10 (Reference) 2155.2
LeelaQueenOdds as black 15+10 (Reference) 2105.2

The reason there is no top 100 table with knightodds is that the person who does the table is interested only in queen odd table.
It is more interesting to have a table when humans players can do more than 50% against the bot and it seems to be impossible with knight odds except maybe top players who do not compete.

Of course you are free to use 3+0 and try to make draws to get to the top of the table with queen odds.

Note that some humans who played against dragonkomodo without a knight for money in israel told me that they are going to play the bot.

I am afraid that for 3+0 time control or 1+1 time control lc0 will have to do queen and rook odds bot to allow the best players who practically play to get more than 50%

Thank you Uri.!!

[Father]

another game of the master when he could win but it seems that his rook had some problem to make a long move and played the losing Rf2 instead of Rxf1

https://lichess.org/fT7FvKG3

Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman and Mr. Uriblass.
My hardware will need to be repaired in the shop. Defects have been detected and I will go into repair. I want to thank you both very especially for the dialogue around the posts started last September, for your patience and interest in the topic. If my Programmer from Heaven wants me back in battle, count on me tomorrow. Excuse me when I have been rude and apparently a bit vain, I just wanted to be faithful to the truth. I also want to thank the team behind the chess and computer hardware and software. No one at all is beyond the reach of my gratitude. Thanks again!! I send a big hug to the street players, to the players to the coffee players and to the Masters. Since my beginnings as a chess player, I have always believed that we are all good players. There will simply always be those who see a little more, a little less, self-esteem should never be lost, respect for other players is the very essence of combat, that is, the dignity that war and peace must entail for the opponent.
Sincerely,
Pablo Ignacio Restrepo

[lkaufman]

another game of the master when he could win but it seems that his rook had some problem to make a long move and played the losing Rf2 instead of Rxf1

https://lichess.org/fT7FvKG3

Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman and Mr. Uriblass.
My hardware will need to be repaired in the shop. Defects have been detected and I will go into repair. I want to thank you both very especially for the dialogue around the posts started last September, for your patience and interest in the topic. If my Programmer from Heaven wants me back in battle, count on me tomorrow. Excuse me when I have been rude and apparently a bit vain, I just wanted to be faithful to the truth. I also want to thank the team behind the chess and computer hardware and software. No one at all is beyond the reach of my gratitude. Thanks again!! I send a big hug to the street players, to the players to the coffee players and to the Masters. Since my beginnings as a chess player, I have always believed that we are all good players. There will simply always be those who see a little more, a little less, self-esteem should never be lost, respect for other players is the very essence of combat, that is, the dignity that war and peace must entail for the opponent.
Sincerely,
Pablo Ignacio Restrepo

It seems that the LeelaQueenOdds bot has attained your goal of performing at LiChess 2500+ level in 3'0" chess. While there haven't been many games at that precise time control with Leela playing White as is customary in odds play (mostly by Respectful_Dave who broke even in ten games and is rated 2440 blitz but over 2800 bullet), even at 3'2" results are close to 2500 level, and at 1'1" close to 2700 (blitz rating) level, so I think it's clear that it would keep a rating over 2500 at 3'0". But the dropoff with longer time limits, in the Rapid range, is more severe than we expected. Players below master level can beat the bot in Rapid, but not typically in blitz. However the queen for knight bot seems to require something like IM level to be competitive even in Rapid.

[Uri Blass]

another game of the master when he could win but it seems that his rook had some problem to make a long move and played the losing Rf2 instead of Rxf1

https://lichess.org/fT7FvKG3

Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman and Mr. Uriblass.
My hardware will need to be repaired in the shop. Defects have been detected and I will go into repair. I want to thank you both very especially for the dialogue around the posts started last September, for your patience and interest in the topic. If my Programmer from Heaven wants me back in battle, count on me tomorrow. Excuse me when I have been rude and apparently a bit vain, I just wanted to be faithful to the truth. I also want to thank the team behind the chess and computer hardware and software. No one at all is beyond the reach of my gratitude. Thanks again!! I send a big hug to the street players, to the players to the coffee players and to the Masters. Since my beginnings as a chess player, I have always believed that we are all good players. There will simply always be those who see a little more, a little less, self-esteem should never be lost, respect for other players is the very essence of combat, that is, the dignity that war and peace must entail for the opponent.
Sincerely,
Pablo Ignacio Restrepo

It seems that the LeelaQueenOdds bot has attained your goal of performing at LiChess 2500+ level in 3'0" chess. While there haven't been many games at that precise time control with Leela playing White as is customary in odds play (mostly by Respectful_Dave who broke even in ten games and is rated 2440 blitz but over 2800 bullet), even at 3'2" results are close to 2500 level, and at 1'1" close to 2700 (blitz rating) level, so I think it's clear that it would keep a rating over 2500 at 3'0". But the dropoff with longer time limits, in the Rapid range, is more severe than we expected. Players below master level can beat the bot in Rapid, but not typically in blitz. However the queen for knight bot seems to require something like IM level to be competitive even in Rapid.

I believe that people can improve by training against the bot because it is too predictable so I guess with no improvement in the bot non master players who train seriously may beat the bot in blitz(but most non masters are not going to do it).

I also wonder if the bot use the time of the opponent to decide about the moves or not.

I guess that even if the playing strangth of relatively strong player at blitz is the same as the playing strength of relatively weak player at rapid then you can expect different type of mistakes(not sure about it but my intuition suggest more tactical mistakes in faster time control and more positional mistake in slower time control for the same playing strength).

[Uri Blass]

another game of the master when he could win but it seems that his rook had some problem to make a long move and played the losing Rf2 instead of Rxf1

https://lichess.org/fT7FvKG3

Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman and Mr. Uriblass.
My hardware will need to be repaired in the shop. Defects have been detected and I will go into repair. I want to thank you both very especially for the dialogue around the posts started last September, for your patience and interest in the topic. If my Programmer from Heaven wants me back in battle, count on me tomorrow. Excuse me when I have been rude and apparently a bit vain, I just wanted to be faithful to the truth. I also want to thank the team behind the chess and computer hardware and software. No one at all is beyond the reach of my gratitude. Thanks again!! I send a big hug to the street players, to the players to the coffee players and to the Masters. Since my beginnings as a chess player, I have always believed that we are all good players. There will simply always be those who see a little more, a little less, self-esteem should never be lost, respect for other players is the very essence of combat, that is, the dignity that war and peace must entail for the opponent.
Sincerely,
Pablo Ignacio Restrepo

It seems that the LeelaQueenOdds bot has attained your goal of performing at LiChess 2500+ level in 3'0" chess. While there haven't been many games at that precise time control with Leela playing White as is customary in odds play (mostly by Respectful_Dave who broke even in ten games and is rated 2440 blitz but over 2800 bullet), even at 3'2" results are close to 2500 level, and at 1'1" close to 2700 (blitz rating) level, so I think it's clear that it would keep a rating over 2500 at 3'0". But the dropoff with longer time limits, in the Rapid range, is more severe than we expected. Players below master level can beat the bot in Rapid, but not typically in blitz. However the queen for knight bot seems to require something like IM level to be competitive even in Rapid.

I can add that maybe you are also too optimistic about 2500 level for the knight bot at 90+30.
If you underestimate the difference with odds between rapid and blitz then maybe you also underestimate the difference with odds between rapid and 90+30 time control.