ideas for odd humans championship against engines

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Re: ideas for odd humans championship against engines

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lkaufman wrote: Tue Dec 31, 2024 5:17 pm
towforce wrote: Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:29 am
Father wrote: Tue Dec 31, 2024 4:00 amIn my opinion, chess machines will beat all humans, even in the case of LeelaQueenOdds.

This appears to overestimate the limit of chess itself. However, we can work this out:

1. The last time I checked, extrapolating elo level vs draw rate seemed to put the upper limit of chess at around 4200. Probably time to update this estimate

2. Anyone happen to know what elo difference is required to offer queen odds?
On point 1, if we are talking about classical time limits and playing only the best openings (ones often seen in top level human events or in engine competitions where tournament books are used), the best guide is the SSDF rating list. It has Leela on top at 3586 followed by Stockfish 16 at 3582, probably Stockfish 17 would be a few elo higher. Progress has slowed to a few elo per year as nearly all games are drawn under these conditions between the top engines. The upper limit probably won't be much over 3600 under these conditions. But this isn't quite fair, since the stronger engine should choose less drawish openings when the elo gap is meaningful, and also should modify its play to take more chances, so if we allow for that the limit goes up. As a rough guess, FRC data suggests that the rating differences might be increased by a third or so, so if we assume a 3700 max under current rules and a 2800 fixed rating point, we get a max rating of about 4000.

On point 2, the rating difference for odds depends on the level of the players and the time control, but I can calculate the maximum, which should apply for the current use. Once the level reaches the point where the weaker player can only aim for a draw (without odds), the win/draw threshold is 191 elo, and it is known that this threshold corresponds to 0.7 to 0.75 pawns. So a "clean" pawn up is about 260 elo. In the opening, the approximate rounded piece values are pawn = 1, knight = 3.5, bishop = 4, rook = 5, and queen = 9.5. First move is about a quarter pawn. So (with odds giver White) knight odds = 845 elo, rook odds = 1235 elo, and queen odds = 2405. Actual handicap values in blitz games between humans are only about half of these values, but we are talking about classical games at the highest possible level, so these numbers should be roughly correct.

The conclusion seems clear: Classical time limit knight odds against the world's best human player isn't reasonable now, but does look plausible in the future. Classical time limit rook odds against the world's best human player should never be balanced if you take these numbers as the absolute truth, but they are estimates and subject to various errors, so I would have to say that there is some non-trivial chance that some day an engine will win a classical time limit match from the best human player at rook odds! But that should be the absolute limit, these values aren't subject to enough error to allow for larger handicaps to be plausible.
..One question please... I thought I understood that the number of games I currently play against LeelaQueenOdds is not decisive for my elo score... for example since the last
Matching my rating until today, there are 634 new games, all bullet at 1'0" and me with the black tools...by the way, I don't know if it is a false assessment on my part, but I understand the algorithm especially "anti- Father" ... is it just my imagination, or does LeelaQueenOdds play better against me? ...
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: ideas for odd humans championship against engines

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Why is this only for odd humans? :D
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Re: ideas for odd humans championship against engines

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Father wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 4:14 am
..One question please... I thought I understood that the number of games I currently play against LeelaQueenOdds is not decisive for my elo score... for example since the last
Matching my rating until today, there are 634 new games, all bullet at 1'0" and me with the black tools...by the way, I don't know if it is a false assessment on my part, but I understand the algorithm especially "anti- Father" ... is it just my imagination, or does LeelaQueenOdds play better against me? ...
The number of games you play isn't critical for your rating, it is the percentage score you make (counting just half the draws) against a specific "opponent" (color and time limit) that matter. Leela doesn't know whom its opponent is, and in any case is not capable of using that information. We could in theory adjust parameters based on opponent's rating, but often the ratings are either missing entirely (for the time category chosen) or highly inaccurate for various reasons. However the opening book is updated based on experience, and since you play so many games your games may lead to the book being updated more in the lines you play, so that might lead you to think that it plays better against you. However the updates are just to provide variety, not to make it play "better". But variety forces you to think, and if you play bullet chess that may be problematic.
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Re: ideas for odd humans championship against engines

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lkaufman wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:28 pm
Father wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 4:14 am
..One question please... I thought I understood that the number of games I currently play against LeelaQueenOdds is not decisive for my elo score... for example since the last
Matching my rating until today, there are 634 new games, all bullet at 1'0" and me with the black tools...by the way, I don't know if it is a false assessment on my part, but I understand the algorithm especially "anti- Father" ... is it just my imagination, or does LeelaQueenOdds play better against me? ...
The number of games you play isn't critical for your rating, it is the percentage score you make (counting just half the draws) against a specific "opponent" (color and time limit) that matter. Leela doesn't know whom its opponent is, and in any case is not capable of using that information. We could in theory adjust parameters based on opponent's rating, but often the ratings are either missing entirely (for the time category chosen) or highly inaccurate for various reasons. However the opening book is updated based on experience, and since you play so many games your games may lead to the book being updated more in the lines you play, so that might lead you to think that it plays better against you. However the updates are just to provide variety, not to make it play "better". But variety forces you to think, and if you play bullet chess that may be problematic.
Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman. Your teachings denote generosity and I have learned a lot about the psychological profile of the computer, that is, the imprint of the human that remains imprinted on the program. I prefer to play a lot of games, it doesn't bother me tha people study my games, I think that the infinite finiteness of chess allows us amateurs and masters to be an open book. Regarding LeelaQueenAdds robot, I think it will still climb a lot up the mountain of infinite knowledge.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: ideas for odd humans championship against engines

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Father wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:47 pm
lkaufman wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:28 pm
Father wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 4:14 am
..One question please... I thought I understood that the number of games I currently play against LeelaQueenOdds is not decisive for my elo score... for example since the last
Matching my rating until today, there are 634 new games, all bullet at 1'0" and me with the black tools...by the way, I don't know if it is a false assessment on my part, but I understand the algorithm especially "anti- Father" ... is it just my imagination, or does LeelaQueenOdds play better against me? ...
The number of games you play isn't critical for your rating, it is the percentage score you make (counting just half the draws) against a specific "opponent" (color and time limit) that matter. Leela doesn't know whom its opponent is, and in any case is not capable of using that information. We could in theory adjust parameters based on opponent's rating, but often the ratings are either missing entirely (for the time category chosen) or highly inaccurate for various reasons. However the opening book is updated based on experience, and since you play so many games your games may lead to the book being updated more in the lines you play, so that might lead you to think that it plays better against you. However the updates are just to provide variety, not to make it play "better". But variety forces you to think, and if you play bullet chess that may be problematic.
Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman. Your teachings denote generosity and I have learned a lot about the psychological profile of the computer, that is, the imprint of the human that remains imprinted on the program. I prefer to play a lot of games, it doesn't bother me tha people study my games, I think that the infinite finiteness of chess allows us amateurs and masters to be an open book. Regarding LeelaQueenAdds robot, I think it will still climb a lot up the mountain of infinite knowledge.
[pgn] https://lichess.org/game/export/36yJ0G1j?literate=1[/pgn]
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: ideas for odd humans championship against engines

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Father wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:47 pm
lkaufman wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:28 pm
Father wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 4:14 am
..One question please... I thought I understood that the number of games I currently play against LeelaQueenOdds is not decisive for my elo score... for example since the last
Matching my rating until today, there are 634 new games, all bullet at 1'0" and me with the black tools...by the way, I don't know if it is a false assessment on my part, but I understand the algorithm especially "anti- Father" ... is it just my imagination, or does LeelaQueenOdds play better against me? ...
The number of games you play isn't critical for your rating, it is the percentage score you make (counting just half the draws) against a specific "opponent" (color and time limit) that matter. Leela doesn't know whom its opponent is, and in any case is not capable of using that information. We could in theory adjust parameters based on opponent's rating, but often the ratings are either missing entirely (for the time category chosen) or highly inaccurate for various reasons. However the opening book is updated based on experience, and since you play so many games your games may lead to the book being updated more in the lines you play, so that might lead you to think that it plays better against you. However the updates are just to provide variety, not to make it play "better". But variety forces you to think, and if you play bullet chess that may be problematic.
Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman. Your teachings denote generosity and I have learned a lot about the psychological profile of the computer, that is, the imprint of the human that remains imprinted on the program. I prefer to play a lot of games, it doesn't bother me tha people study my games, I think that the infinite finiteness of chess allows us amateurs and masters to be an open book. Regarding LeelaQueenAdds robot, I think it will still climb a lot up the mountain of infinite knowledge.
[pgn] https://lichess.org/game/export/36yJ0G1j?literate=1[/pgn]

[pgn] Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/36yJ0G1j"]
[Date "2025.01.03"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2025.01.03"]
[UTCTime "03:16:44"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
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1. d3 d5 2. f4 e6 3. g4 f5 4. g5 Ne7 5. h4 g6 6. h5 Rg8 7. e4 Bg7 8. e5 c6 9. d4 Nd7 10. Nc3 Nf8 11. h6 Bh8 12. b4 a6 13. a4 b6 14. a5 b5 15. Nf3 Bb7 16. Ne2 Qc7 17. Bd2 Nc8 18. Nc1 Nd7 19. Nb3 Nb8 20. Nc5 Ke7 21. Nb3 Nd7 22. Be2 Nb8 23. Kf2 Rd8 24. Ne1 Ke8 25. Nd3 Rd7 26. Nbc5 Re7 27. Nb3 Kf8 28. Ndc5 Nd7 29. Nd3 Nb8 30. Ndc5 Nd7 31. Rae1 Nxc5 32. Nxc5 Ke8 33. Rh3 Kf8 34. Reh1 Kg8 35. Ke1 Rb8 36. Kd1 Qd8 37. Kc1 Qe8 38. Kb2 Rc7 39. Ra1 Re7 40. Rha3 Rc7 41. Rc3 Re7 42. Rca3 Rc7 43. Rd3 Re7 44. Rc3 Rc7 45. Rca3 Qe7 46. Rd3 Qe8 47. Re3 Qe7 48. Rc3 Qe8 49. Rca3 Qe7 50. Rf3 Qe8 51. Rc3 Qe7 52. Rd3 Qe8 53. Rh3 Qe7 54. Rg3 Qe8 55. Rd3 Qe7 56. Rf3 Qe8 57. Rb3 Qe7 58. Rg3 Qe8 59. Rf3 Qe7 60. Rh3 Qe8 61. Rg3 Qe7 62. Rag1 Qe8 63. Rh3 Qe7 64. Ra1 Qe8 65. Re1 Qe7 66. Rg1 Qe8 67. Re3 Qe7 68. Ra3 Qe8 69. Rh3 Qe7 70. Rd3 Qe8 71. Ra3 Qe7 72. Rag3 Qe8 73. Rc3 Qe7 74. Rd3 Qe8 75. Rdg3 Qe7 76. Rb3 Qe8 77. Rd3 Qe7 78. Rh3 Qe8 79. Rhg3 Qe7 80. c3 Qe8 81. Rd3 Qe7 82. Rdg3 Qe8 83. Kc2 Qe7 84. Rd3 Qe8 85. Re3 Qe7 86. Reg3 Qe8 87. Rd3 Qe7 88. Re3 Qe8 89. Rh3 Qe7 90. Re3 Qe8 91. Be1 Qe7 92. Rh3 Qe8 93. Bf2 Qe7 94. Re3 Qe8 95. Rd3 Qe7 96. Rh3 Qe8 97. Rhg3 Qe7 98. Re3 Qe8 99. Rd3 Qe7 100. Rdg3 Qe8 101. Rh3 Qe7 102. Rd3 Qe8 103. Re3 Qe7 104. Reg3 Qe8 105. Rf3 Qe7 106. Rd3 Qe8 107. Re1 Qe7 108. Rg3 Qe8 109. Rf3 Qe7 110. Re3 Qe8 111. Rd3 Qe7 112. Rf3 Qe8 113. Re3 Qe7 114. Rd3 Qe8 115. Rd2 Qe7 116. Rd3 Qe8 117. Bf3 Qe7 118. Rd2 Qe8 119. Bd1 Qe7 120. Be2 Qe8 121. Bf3 Qe7 122. Bd1 Qe8 123. Be2 Qe7 124. Bf3 Qd7 125. Nxd7 Rxd7 126. Be2 Re7 127. Bd1 Re8 128. Be2 Re7 129. Rb1 Re8 130. Ra1 Re7 131. Rg1 Re8 132. Rh1 Re7 133. Rc1 Re8 134. Ra1 Re7 135. Re1 Re8 136. Rh1 Re7 137. Rhd1 Re8 138. Rc1 Re7 139. Kb2 Re8 140. Kc2 Re7 141. Be3 Re8 142. Kb2 Re7 143. Kc2 Re8 144. Kb3 Re7 145. Ka2 Re8 146. Ka3 Re7 147. Rb2 Re8 148. Kb3 Re7 149. Ka2 Re8 150. Re1 Re7 151. Reb1 Re8 152. Ra1 Re7 153. Re1 Re8 154. Rg1 Re7 155. Ra1 Re8 156. Re1 Re7 157. Rf1 Re8 158. Ra1 Re7 159. Re1 Re8 160. Rd1 Re7 161. Ra1 Re8 162. Rh1 Re7 163. Rd1 Re8 164. Rg1 Re7 165. Rh1 Re8 166. Rf1 Re7 167. Rg1 Re8 168. Bf3 Re7 169. Rf1 Re8 170. Ra1 Re7 171. Rd1 Re8 172. Rf1 Re7 173. Ra1 Re8 174. Bf2 Re7 175. Be3 Re8 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

[pgn] Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/36yJ0G1j"]
[Date "2025.01.03"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2025.01.03"]
[UTCTime "03:16:44"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d3 d5 2. f4 e6 3. g4 f5 4. g5 Ne7 5. h4 g6 6. h5 Rg8 7. e4 Bg7 8. e5 c6 9. d4 Nd7 10. Nc3 Nf8 11. h6 Bh8 12. b4 a6 13. a4 b6 14. a5 b5 15. Nf3 Bb7 16. Ne2 Qc7 17. Bd2 Nc8 18. Nc1 Nd7 19. Nb3 Nb8 20. Nc5 Ke7 21. Nb3 Nd7 22. Be2 Nb8 23. Kf2 Rd8 24. Ne1 Ke8 25. Nd3 Rd7 26. Nbc5 Re7 27. Nb3 Kf8 28. Ndc5 Nd7 29. Nd3 Nb8 30. Ndc5 Nd7 31. Rae1 Nxc5 32. Nxc5 Ke8 33. Rh3 Kf8 34. Reh1 Kg8 35. Ke1 Rb8 36. Kd1 Qd8 37. Kc1 Qe8 38. Kb2 Rc7 39. Ra1 Re7 40. Rha3 Rc7 41. Rc3 Re7 42. Rca3 Rc7 43. Rd3 Re7 44. Rc3 Rc7 45. Rca3 Qe7 46. Rd3 Qe8 47. Re3 Qe7 48. Rc3 Qe8 49. Rca3 Qe7 50. Rf3 Qe8 51. Rc3 Qe7 52. Rd3 Qe8 53. Rh3 Qe7 54. Rg3 Qe8 55. Rd3 Qe7 56. Rf3 Qe8 57. Rb3 Qe7 58. Rg3 Qe8 59. Rf3 Qe7 60. Rh3 Qe8 61. Rg3 Qe7 62. Rag1 Qe8 63. Rh3 Qe7 64. Ra1 Qe8 65. Re1 Qe7 66. Rg1 Qe8 67. Re3 Qe7 68. Ra3 Qe8 69. Rh3 Qe7 70. Rd3 Qe8 71. Ra3 Qe7 72. Rag3 Qe8 73. Rc3 Qe7 74. Rd3 Qe8 75. Rdg3 Qe7 76. Rb3 Qe8 77. Rd3 Qe7 78. Rh3 Qe8 79. Rhg3 Qe7 80. c3 Qe8 81. Rd3 Qe7 82. Rdg3 Qe8 83. Kc2 Qe7 84. Rd3 Qe8 85. Re3 Qe7 86. Reg3 Qe8 87. Rd3 Qe7 88. Re3 Qe8 89. Rh3 Qe7 90. Re3 Qe8 91. Be1 Qe7 92. Rh3 Qe8 93. Bf2 Qe7 94. Re3 Qe8 95. Rd3 Qe7 96. Rh3 Qe8 97. Rhg3 Qe7 98. Re3 Qe8 99. Rd3 Qe7 100. Rdg3 Qe8 101. Rh3 Qe7 102. Rd3 Qe8 103. Re3 Qe7 104. Reg3 Qe8 105. Rf3 Qe7 106. Rd3 Qe8 107. Re1 Qe7 108. Rg3 Qe8 109. Rf3 Qe7 110. Re3 Qe8 111. Rd3 Qe7 112. Rf3 Qe8 113. Re3 Qe7 114. Rd3 Qe8 115. Rd2 Qe7 116. Rd3 Qe8 117. Bf3 Qe7 118. Rd2 Qe8 119. Bd1 Qe7 120. Be2 Qe8 121. Bf3 Qe7 122. Bd1 Qe8 123. Be2 Qe7 124. Bf3 Qd7 125. Nxd7 Rxd7 126. Be2 Re7 127. Bd1 Re8 128. Be2 Re7 129. Rb1 Re8 130. Ra1 Re7 131. Rg1 Re8 132. Rh1 Re7 133. Rc1 Re8 134. Ra1 Re7 135. Re1 Re8 136. Rh1 Re7 137. Rhd1 Re8 138. Rc1 Re7 139. Kb2 Re8 140. Kc2 Re7 141. Be3 Re8 142. Kb2 Re7 143. Kc2 Re8 144. Kb3 Re7 145. Ka2 Re8 146. Ka3 Re7 147. Rb2 Re8 148. Kb3 Re7 149. Ka2 Re8 150. Re1 Re7 151. Reb1 Re8 152. Ra1 Re7 153. Re1 Re8 154. Rg1 Re7 155. Ra1 Re8 156. Re1 Re7 157. Rf1 Re8 158. Ra1 Re7 159. Re1 Re8 160. Rd1 Re7 161. Ra1 Re8 162. Rh1 Re7 163. Rd1 Re8 164. Rg1 Re7 165. Rh1 Re8 166. Rf1 Re7 167. Rg1 Re8 168. Bf3 Re7 169. Rf1 Re8 170. Ra1 Re7 171. Rd1 Re8 172. Rf1 Re7 173. Ra1 Re8 174. Bf2 Re7 175. Be3 Re8 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: ideas for odd humans championship against engines

Post by Father »

Father wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 4:27 am
Father wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:47 pm
lkaufman wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:28 pm
Father wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 4:14 am
..One question please... I thought I understood that the number of games I currently play against LeelaQueenOdds is not decisive for my elo score... for example since the last
Matching my rating until today, there are 634 new games, all bullet at 1'0" and me with the black tools...by the way, I don't know if it is a false assessment on my part, but I understand the algorithm especially "anti- Father" ... is it just my imagination, or does LeelaQueenOdds play better against me? ...
The number of games you play isn't critical for your rating, it is the percentage score you make (counting just half the draws) against a specific "opponent" (color and time limit) that matter. Leela doesn't know whom its opponent is, and in any case is not capable of using that information. We could in theory adjust parameters based on opponent's rating, but often the ratings are either missing entirely (for the time category chosen) or highly inaccurate for various reasons. However the opening book is updated based on experience, and since you play so many games your games may lead to the book being updated more in the lines you play, so that might lead you to think that it plays better against you. However the updates are just to provide variety, not to make it play "better". But variety forces you to think, and if you play bullet chess that may be problematic.
Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman. Your teachings denote generosity and I have learned a lot about the psychological profile of the computer, that is, the imprint of the human that remains imprinted on the program. I prefer to play a lot of games, it doesn't bother me tha people study my games, I think that the infinite finiteness of chess allows us amateurs and masters to be an open book. Regarding LeelaQueenAdds robot, I think it will still climb a lot up the mountain of infinite knowledge.
[pgn] https://lichess.org/game/export/36yJ0G1j?literate=1[/pgn]

[pgn] Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/36yJ0G1j"]
[Date "2025.01.03"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2025.01.03"]
[UTCTime "03:16:44"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
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1. d3 d5 2. f4 e6 3. g4 f5 4. g5 Ne7 5. h4 g6 6. h5 Rg8 7. e4 Bg7 8. e5 c6 9. d4 Nd7 10. Nc3 Nf8 11. h6 Bh8 12. b4 a6 13. a4 b6 14. a5 b5 15. Nf3 Bb7 16. Ne2 Qc7 17. Bd2 Nc8 18. Nc1 Nd7 19. Nb3 Nb8 20. Nc5 Ke7 21. Nb3 Nd7 22. Be2 Nb8 23. Kf2 Rd8 24. Ne1 Ke8 25. Nd3 Rd7 26. Nbc5 Re7 27. Nb3 Kf8 28. Ndc5 Nd7 29. Nd3 Nb8 30. Ndc5 Nd7 31. Rae1 Nxc5 32. Nxc5 Ke8 33. Rh3 Kf8 34. Reh1 Kg8 35. Ke1 Rb8 36. Kd1 Qd8 37. Kc1 Qe8 38. Kb2 Rc7 39. Ra1 Re7 40. Rha3 Rc7 41. Rc3 Re7 42. Rca3 Rc7 43. Rd3 Re7 44. Rc3 Rc7 45. Rca3 Qe7 46. Rd3 Qe8 47. Re3 Qe7 48. Rc3 Qe8 49. Rca3 Qe7 50. Rf3 Qe8 51. Rc3 Qe7 52. Rd3 Qe8 53. Rh3 Qe7 54. Rg3 Qe8 55. Rd3 Qe7 56. Rf3 Qe8 57. Rb3 Qe7 58. Rg3 Qe8 59. Rf3 Qe7 60. Rh3 Qe8 61. Rg3 Qe7 62. Rag1 Qe8 63. Rh3 Qe7 64. Ra1 Qe8 65. Re1 Qe7 66. Rg1 Qe8 67. Re3 Qe7 68. Ra3 Qe8 69. Rh3 Qe7 70. Rd3 Qe8 71. Ra3 Qe7 72. Rag3 Qe8 73. Rc3 Qe7 74. Rd3 Qe8 75. Rdg3 Qe7 76. Rb3 Qe8 77. Rd3 Qe7 78. Rh3 Qe8 79. Rhg3 Qe7 80. c3 Qe8 81. Rd3 Qe7 82. Rdg3 Qe8 83. Kc2 Qe7 84. Rd3 Qe8 85. Re3 Qe7 86. Reg3 Qe8 87. Rd3 Qe7 88. Re3 Qe8 89. Rh3 Qe7 90. Re3 Qe8 91. Be1 Qe7 92. Rh3 Qe8 93. Bf2 Qe7 94. Re3 Qe8 95. Rd3 Qe7 96. Rh3 Qe8 97. Rhg3 Qe7 98. Re3 Qe8 99. Rd3 Qe7 100. Rdg3 Qe8 101. Rh3 Qe7 102. Rd3 Qe8 103. Re3 Qe7 104. Reg3 Qe8 105. Rf3 Qe7 106. Rd3 Qe8 107. Re1 Qe7 108. Rg3 Qe8 109. Rf3 Qe7 110. Re3 Qe8 111. Rd3 Qe7 112. Rf3 Qe8 113. Re3 Qe7 114. Rd3 Qe8 115. Rd2 Qe7 116. Rd3 Qe8 117. Bf3 Qe7 118. Rd2 Qe8 119. Bd1 Qe7 120. Be2 Qe8 121. Bf3 Qe7 122. Bd1 Qe8 123. Be2 Qe7 124. Bf3 Qd7 125. Nxd7 Rxd7 126. Be2 Re7 127. Bd1 Re8 128. Be2 Re7 129. Rb1 Re8 130. Ra1 Re7 131. Rg1 Re8 132. Rh1 Re7 133. Rc1 Re8 134. Ra1 Re7 135. Re1 Re8 136. Rh1 Re7 137. Rhd1 Re8 138. Rc1 Re7 139. Kb2 Re8 140. Kc2 Re7 141. Be3 Re8 142. Kb2 Re7 143. Kc2 Re8 144. Kb3 Re7 145. Ka2 Re8 146. Ka3 Re7 147. Rb2 Re8 148. Kb3 Re7 149. Ka2 Re8 150. Re1 Re7 151. Reb1 Re8 152. Ra1 Re7 153. Re1 Re8 154. Rg1 Re7 155. Ra1 Re8 156. Re1 Re7 157. Rf1 Re8 158. Ra1 Re7 159. Re1 Re8 160. Rd1 Re7 161. Ra1 Re8 162. Rh1 Re7 163. Rd1 Re8 164. Rg1 Re7 165. Rh1 Re8 166. Rf1 Re7 167. Rg1 Re8 168. Bf3 Re7 169. Rf1 Re8 170. Ra1 Re7 171. Rd1 Re8 172. Rf1 Re7 173. Ra1 Re8 174. Bf2 Re7 175. Be3 Re8 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

[pgn] Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/36yJ0G1j"]
[Date "2025.01.03"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2025.01.03"]
[UTCTime "03:16:44"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
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1. d3 d5 2. f4 e6 3. g4 f5 4. g5 Ne7 5. h4 g6 6. h5 Rg8 7. e4 Bg7 8. e5 c6 9. d4 Nd7 10. Nc3 Nf8 11. h6 Bh8 12. b4 a6 13. a4 b6 14. a5 b5 15. Nf3 Bb7 16. Ne2 Qc7 17. Bd2 Nc8 18. Nc1 Nd7 19. Nb3 Nb8 20. Nc5 Ke7 21. Nb3 Nd7 22. Be2 Nb8 23. Kf2 Rd8 24. Ne1 Ke8 25. Nd3 Rd7 26. Nbc5 Re7 27. Nb3 Kf8 28. Ndc5 Nd7 29. Nd3 Nb8 30. Ndc5 Nd7 31. Rae1 Nxc5 32. Nxc5 Ke8 33. Rh3 Kf8 34. Reh1 Kg8 35. Ke1 Rb8 36. Kd1 Qd8 37. Kc1 Qe8 38. Kb2 Rc7 39. Ra1 Re7 40. Rha3 Rc7 41. Rc3 Re7 42. Rca3 Rc7 43. Rd3 Re7 44. Rc3 Rc7 45. Rca3 Qe7 46. Rd3 Qe8 47. Re3 Qe7 48. Rc3 Qe8 49. Rca3 Qe7 50. Rf3 Qe8 51. Rc3 Qe7 52. Rd3 Qe8 53. Rh3 Qe7 54. Rg3 Qe8 55. Rd3 Qe7 56. Rf3 Qe8 57. Rb3 Qe7 58. Rg3 Qe8 59. Rf3 Qe7 60. Rh3 Qe8 61. Rg3 Qe7 62. Rag1 Qe8 63. Rh3 Qe7 64. Ra1 Qe8 65. Re1 Qe7 66. Rg1 Qe8 67. Re3 Qe7 68. Ra3 Qe8 69. Rh3 Qe7 70. Rd3 Qe8 71. Ra3 Qe7 72. Rag3 Qe8 73. Rc3 Qe7 74. Rd3 Qe8 75. Rdg3 Qe7 76. Rb3 Qe8 77. Rd3 Qe7 78. Rh3 Qe8 79. Rhg3 Qe7 80. c3 Qe8 81. Rd3 Qe7 82. Rdg3 Qe8 83. Kc2 Qe7 84. Rd3 Qe8 85. Re3 Qe7 86. Reg3 Qe8 87. Rd3 Qe7 88. Re3 Qe8 89. Rh3 Qe7 90. Re3 Qe8 91. Be1 Qe7 92. Rh3 Qe8 93. Bf2 Qe7 94. Re3 Qe8 95. Rd3 Qe7 96. Rh3 Qe8 97. Rhg3 Qe7 98. Re3 Qe8 99. Rd3 Qe7 100. Rdg3 Qe8 101. Rh3 Qe7 102. Rd3 Qe8 103. Re3 Qe7 104. Reg3 Qe8 105. Rf3 Qe7 106. Rd3 Qe8 107. Re1 Qe7 108. Rg3 Qe8 109. Rf3 Qe7 110. Re3 Qe8 111. Rd3 Qe7 112. Rf3 Qe8 113. Re3 Qe7 114. Rd3 Qe8 115. Rd2 Qe7 116. Rd3 Qe8 117. Bf3 Qe7 118. Rd2 Qe8 119. Bd1 Qe7 120. Be2 Qe8 121. Bf3 Qe7 122. Bd1 Qe8 123. Be2 Qe7 124. Bf3 Qd7 125. Nxd7 Rxd7 126. Be2 Re7 127. Bd1 Re8 128. Be2 Re7 129. Rb1 Re8 130. Ra1 Re7 131. Rg1 Re8 132. Rh1 Re7 133. Rc1 Re8 134. Ra1 Re7 135. Re1 Re8 136. Rh1 Re7 137. Rhd1 Re8 138. Rc1 Re7 139. Kb2 Re8 140. Kc2 Re7 141. Be3 Re8 142. Kb2 Re7 143. Kc2 Re8 144. Kb3 Re7 145. Ka2 Re8 146. Ka3 Re7 147. Rb2 Re8 148. Kb3 Re7 149. Ka2 Re8 150. Re1 Re7 151. Reb1 Re8 152. Ra1 Re7 153. Re1 Re8 154. Rg1 Re7 155. Ra1 Re8 156. Re1 Re7 157. Rf1 Re8 158. Ra1 Re7 159. Re1 Re8 160. Rd1 Re7 161. Ra1 Re8 162. Rh1 Re7 163. Rd1 Re8 164. Rg1 Re7 165. Rh1 Re8 166. Rf1 Re7 167. Rg1 Re8 168. Bf3 Re7 169. Rf1 Re8 170. Ra1 Re7 171. Rd1 Re8 172. Rf1 Re7 173. Ra1 Re8 174. Bf2 Re7 175. Be3 Re8 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
[pgn] [Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/X4EBst75"]
[Date "2025.01.04"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "Myvkh30"]
[Result "0-1"]
[UTCDate "2025.01.04"]
[UTCTime "02:31:17"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "1500"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
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1. d3 d5 2. e4 Nc6 3. exd5 Nd4 4. Kd1 Qxd5 5. Nd2 Bf5 6. Ne2 Nf6 7. Nc3 Qc6 8. Nc4 b5 9. Ne3 Ng4 10. Nxf5 Nxf5 11. Ne4 Rd8 12. Bd2 Nf6 13. Ng5 Ng4 14. Ne4 Nd6 15. Nxd6+ Rxd6 16. Be1 Rf6 17. Kc1 Qe6 18. Bd2 Nxf2 19. Rg1 Qg4 20. Kb1 Qd1+ 21. Bc1 Re6 22. d4 c6 23. a4 Re1 24. Ka2 Qxc2 25. Bxb5 Rxg1 26. Be3 cxb5 27. Rxg1 Nd3 28. Bc1 Nb4+ 29. Ka1 Qxa4+ 30. Kb1 Qa2# { Black wins by checkmate. } 0-1[/pgn]

...A happy night I wish for every one.
Before I being defeated by the power of my "sister night" and "my brother tiredness" I asked if this game could be played on a game level with three minutes of time control. It is a rectilinear game, it reminds me at Bobby Fischer, predictable and almost infallible... Are we facing a world champion, a spontaneous work of art, or, a pre-conceived game in the laboratory? .. whatever it is, it is a beautiful game on the part of the human.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.