I toast to LeelaqueenOdds and its creators. I raise my wine glass high and shout: Long live the queen. We have a queen!!

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Re: I toast to LeelaqueenOdds and its creators. I raise my wine glass high and shout: Long live the queen. We have a que

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lkaufman wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 3:51 am
Uri Blass wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 11:53 pm [
Oded Ross expect every player with fide rating above 2000 to win at 10+5 against LeelaQueen Odds with black rewgardless of the improvement in Leela.

FM Ori Taichman expect to win 10-0 with black against LeelaQueenOdds in a serious match at 10+5 when he get money for every game.
Oded Ross expect every player with fide rating above 2000 to win at 10+5 against LeelaQueen Odds with black.

Itay Sitbon(fide rating 2195) agree with Ori Taichman.

I consider if to offer the same players who played against KomodoDragon to play a match of 10 games against LeelaQueenOdds at time control 10+5 in one day when they are black to see if they can win 10-0 or something close to it in these conditions with the idea of high prize only in case of 10-0 or at least 9-1 result.
Based on actual results of Rapid games at 10'+5" minimum played since Feb 27 (Leela White), the break-even Lichess Rapid rating is about 2520, which is supposed to equate to 2355 FIDE. I know this sounds crazy high, presumably some of the players were playing too fast or resigning too early or just didn't try hard. But I doubt that the true figure is below 2200, since most players do play to win such games. Ori is a pretty strong player, he might win most of the games but probably not all ten. Lately in blitz even players rated over 2800 haven't made a plus score, crazy as this sounds. But Joel Benjamin does win nearly every game at 8'3", time does make a big difference. Anyway it would be very interesting if you do this, as it will help settle the question of how important motivation and incentive are. You might have to pay out for Ori or anyone else who is of his level, but I wouldn't expect you to pay out for 2200 rated players and below. Frankly I can't understand how so many strong players keep losing to LQO even with decent time limits, but it's hard to dispute the facts. When titled players with known identities play it, they have some incentive to do well, they don't want to hurt their reputations. It is also possible that FIDE ratings in Israel are lower than they would be elsewhere, I wouldn't know about that.
Itay Sitbon claims that 2520 in rapid lichess is not level of 2355 fide and I understand that he believes that the level should be weaker than 2355.
Practically he has more than 2520 in rapid in lichess and only 2195 fide rating.

I think that it is possible that the evaluation is based on players who did not play a lot of rapid games or played rapid a long time ago when they were weaker.
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Re: I toast to LeelaqueenOdds and its creators. I raise my wine glass high and shout: Long live the queen. We have a que

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Uri Blass wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:18 am
lkaufman wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 3:51 am
Uri Blass wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 11:53 pm [
Oded Ross expect every player with fide rating above 2000 to win at 10+5 against LeelaQueen Odds with black rewgardless of the improvement in Leela.

FM Ori Taichman expect to win 10-0 with black against LeelaQueenOdds in a serious match at 10+5 when he get money for every game.
Oded Ross expect every player with fide rating above 2000 to win at 10+5 against LeelaQueen Odds with black.

Itay Sitbon(fide rating 2195) agree with Ori Taichman.

I consider if to offer the same players who played against KomodoDragon to play a match of 10 games against LeelaQueenOdds at time control 10+5 in one day when they are black to see if they can win 10-0 or something close to it in these conditions with the idea of high prize only in case of 10-0 or at least 9-1 result.
Based on actual results of Rapid games at 10'+5" minimum played since Feb 27 (Leela White), the break-even Lichess Rapid rating is about 2520, which is supposed to equate to 2355 FIDE. I know this sounds crazy high, presumably some of the players were playing too fast or resigning too early or just didn't try hard. But I doubt that the true figure is below 2200, since most players do play to win such games. Ori is a pretty strong player, he might win most of the games but probably not all ten. Lately in blitz even players rated over 2800 haven't made a plus score, crazy as this sounds. But Joel Benjamin does win nearly every game at 8'3", time does make a big difference. Anyway it would be very interesting if you do this, as it will help settle the question of how important motivation and incentive are. You might have to pay out for Ori or anyone else who is of his level, but I wouldn't expect you to pay out for 2200 rated players and below. Frankly I can't understand how so many strong players keep losing to LQO even with decent time limits, but it's hard to dispute the facts. When titled players with known identities play it, they have some incentive to do well, they don't want to hurt their reputations. It is also possible that FIDE ratings in Israel are lower than they would be elsewhere, I wouldn't know about that.
Itay Sitbon claims that 2520 in rapid lichess is not level of 2355 fide and I understand that he believes that the level should be weaker than 2355.
Practically he has more than 2520 in rapid in lichess and only 2195 fide rating.

I think that it is possible that the evaluation is based on players who did not play a lot of rapid games or played rapid a long time ago when they were weaker.
I believe you are correct. I did some research and it seems that there wasn't enough data on established high-rated Rapid players to get it right. Based on my own sampling of Rapid opponents of Leela with established ratings over 2400, they seem to run about 100 above the Lichess Blitz ratings. But Lichess blitz ratings in that region run something like 170 elo or so above FIDE ratings according to two different sources, so I would subtract 270 to convert from Rapid Lichess to FIDE for players in the CM to FM range. So 2520 = 2250 FIDE, that should be the queen-odds break-even for 10'5" casual play, maybe 2200 or so for serious play with something on the line.
Komodo rules!
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Re: I toast to LeelaqueenOdds and its creators. I raise my wine glass high and shout: Long live the queen. We have a que

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I think that we need some competition with significant money prizes to see what humans can really do against LeelaQueenOdds without Qd1.

My idea is that every player choose the time control that he prefers that has to be of the time X minutes per game + Y seconds per game when X and Y are integers and Y is the closest to X/2 that means the following time controls are allowed
1+0.1+1,2+1,3+1,3+2,4+2,5+2,5+3,6+3,7+3,7+4,8+4,9+4,9+5,10+5

Every player play a match of 10 games against LeelaQueenOdds when the ranking is based on the cube of number of points divided by X+Y

For example losing 6-4 at 1+0 gives 4^3 points that is 64 and winning 10-0 at 10+5 gives 10^3/15 points that is 66+2/3 so winning 10-0 at 10+5 is better than losing 6-4 at 1+0 but worse than losing 5.5-4.5 at 1+0 that gives 91.125

We can give prizes to the first 3 players that are proptional to the number that they get in the ranking.

What is your opinion?
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Re: I toast to LeelaqueenOdds and its creators. I raise my wine glass high and shout: Long live the queen. We have a que

Post by lkaufman »

Uri Blass wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 6:38 pm I think that we need some competition with significant money prizes to see what humans can really do against LeelaQueenOdds without Qd1.

My idea is that every player choose the time control that he prefers that has to be of the time X minutes per game + Y seconds per game when X and Y are integers and Y is the closest to X/2 that means the following time controls are allowed
1+0.1+1,2+1,3+1,3+2,4+2,5+2,5+3,6+3,7+3,7+4,8+4,9+4,9+5,10+5

Every player play a match of 10 games against LeelaQueenOdds when the ranking is based on the cube of number of points divided by X+Y

For example losing 6-4 at 1+0 gives 4^3 points that is 64 and winning 10-0 at 10+5 gives 10^3/15 points that is 66+2/3 so winning 10-0 at 10+5 is better than losing 6-4 at 1+0 but worse than losing 5.5-4.5 at 1+0 that gives 91.125

We can give prizes to the first 3 players that are proptional to the number that they get in the ranking.

What is your opinion?
Joel Benjamin (SuperEasy) consistently scores 9, 9.5, or 10 out of 10 at 8'3" (not on your list but about same as 7'4"), so he would get between 65 and 91 points each time based on past results. I think it would be an interesting contest, but are you talking about an open contest on the internet, where cheating would be a concern, or a monitored event by you in Israel? It is unfortunate that any time money prizes are offered to the general public for similar events, cheating seems to be a real problem. It's fairly easy to catch cheaters in bullet chess events, where the cheating is generally automated, but in Rapid it's extremely hard to catch sporadic cheaters. Assuming a monitored event, I think most players will select the shortest time control at which they expect to score like 90% or so, which for most people means the maximum 10'5" will be chosen. If you get GMs then perhaps something like 5'3" will be popular. Results for the bot are pretty amazing, especially in the bullet range. Of course no one can compete at 1'0", but even at 2'0" performance of the bot is astronomical; against players above 2600 LiChess bullet it won 238 games vs. only 4 losses (ten draws). I don't think that incentives matter for bullet games, they are rarely drawn so it hardly matters if players resign in drawable positions, and they surely don't move too fast. But the longer the time limit, the more important incentive and motivation become, so I agree that if we want to measure performance in Rapid, some incentives are needed.
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Re: I toast to LeelaqueenOdds and its creators. I raise my wine glass high and shout: Long live the queen. We have a que

Post by Father »

lkaufman wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:42 pm
Uri Blass wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:18 am
lkaufman wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 3:51 am
Uri Blass wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 11:53 pm [
Oded Ross expect every player with fide rating above 2000 to win at 10+5 against LeelaQueen Odds with black rewgardless of the improvement in Leela.

FM Ori Taichman expect to win 10-0 with black against LeelaQueenOdds in a serious match at 10+5 when he get money for every game.
Oded Ross expect every player with fide rating above 2000 to win at 10+5 against LeelaQueen Odds with black.

Itay Sitbon(fide rating 2195) agree with Ori Taichman.

I consider if to offer the same players who played against KomodoDragon to play a match of 10 games against LeelaQueenOdds at time control 10+5 in one day when they are black to see if they can win 10-0 or something close to it in these conditions with the idea of high prize only in case of 10-0 or at least 9-1 result.
Based on actual results of Rapid games at 10'+5" minimum played since Feb 27 (Leela White), the break-even Lichess Rapid rating is about 2520, which is supposed to equate to 2355 FIDE. I know this sounds crazy high, presumably some of the players were playing too fast or resigning too early or just didn't try hard. But I doubt that the true figure is below 2200, since most players do play to win such games. Ori is a pretty strong player, he might win most of the games but probably not all ten. Lately in blitz even players rated over 2800 haven't made a plus score, crazy as this sounds. But Joel Benjamin does win nearly every game at 8'3", time does make a big difference. Anyway it would be very interesting if you do this, as it will help settle the question of how important motivation and incentive are. You might have to pay out for Ori or anyone else who is of his level, but I wouldn't expect you to pay out for 2200 rated players and below. Frankly I can't understand how so many strong players keep losing to LQO even with decent time limits, but it's hard to dispute the facts. When titled players with known identities play it, they have some incentive to do well, they don't want to hurt their reputations. It is also possible that FIDE ratings in Israel are lower than they would be elsewhere, I wouldn't know about that.
Itay Sitbon claims that 2520 in rapid lichess is not level of 2355 fide and I understand that he believes that the level should be weaker than 2355.
Practically he has more than 2520 in rapid in lichess and only 2195 fide rating.

I think that it is possible that the evaluation is based on players who did not play a lot of rapid games or played rapid a long time ago when they were weaker.
I believe you are correct. I did some research and it seems that there wasn't enough data on established high-rated Rapid players to get it right. Based on my own sampling of Rapid opponents of Leela with established ratings over 2400, they seem to run about 100 above the Lichess Blitz ratings. But Lichess blitz ratings in that region run something like 170 elo or so above FIDE ratings according to two different sources, so I would subtract 270 to convert from Rapid Lichess to FIDE for players in the CM to FM range. So 2520 = 2250 FIDE, that should be the queen-odds break-even for 10'5" casual play, maybe 2200 or so for serious play with something on the line.
Good afternoon, Mr. Auri Blass. If you want "Catecan" in competition, I hope to be able to join you, regardless of the level of time control involved. I continue to be amazed by LeelaQueenOdds's high level of performance.
The current top 100 human list is being occupied every day by more and stronger players in general. Even the last players on the list often have an Elo rating above 2400 Lichess.
Incredible!!

LeelaQueenOdds Leaderboard

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# Player Rating Games Last Game TC
1 SuperEasy 2865 132 2025-03-24 8+3
2 Former_Player 2771 288 2025-03-22 3+2
3 pozvonochek 2603 187 2025-03-13 1+0
4 jtcoach 2593 185 2025-03-22 3+2
5 FinalSpot 2560 83 2025-03-24 3+2
6 Catecan 2514 541 2025-03-14 1+0
7 davidb2 2505 127 2025-03-15 1+0
8 arturchix 2472 20 2025-03-16 3+1
9 Orichess88 2458 43 2025-03-14 2+3
10 shreckm8 2444 200 2025-03-24 3+0
11 monkeyking123 2435 113 2025-03-23 1+0
12 CoolerMove 2434 37 2025-03-24 9+10
13 Spinaltap 2428 52 2025-03-23 3+0
14 White_Phoenix 2421 89 2025-03-16 5+3
15 karloballa 2421 210 2025-03-24 5+2
16 VTChess 2411 285 2025-03-23 1+1
17 Sersemlet 2403 138 2025-02-27 3+2
18 ioste29 2401 61 2025-03-19 3+1
19 Andrey_Smaev_1998 2395 95 2025-03-24 4+3
20 Litigator94 2391 43 2025-03-08 3+2
21 garyhat 2379 127 2025-03-23 3+0
22 Somelier 2360 30 2025-03-18 2+2
23 dritharashtrar 2358 42 2025-03-17 3+1
24 grandmastergauri 2353 74 2025-03-23 1+1
25 Kelvandil 2344 84 2025-03-24 3+2
26 Switchitter 2343 92 2025-03-24 3+1
27 Ajktulm 2336 103 2025-03-24 5+5
28 Srive 2323 62 2025-03-20 5+3
29 pressive 2312 113 2025-03-17 1+0
30 Drviak1 2307 109 2025-03-22 3+2
31 serg4000 2303 145 2025-03-22 4+3
32 AsheliaXII 2291 48 2025-03-24 15+10
33 HVC135 2289 66 2025-03-17 2+1
34 quetag 2287 52 2025-03-22 5+3
35 sergo786 2285 51 2025-03-24 5+3
36 Dalnor 2278 269 2025-03-24 9+3
37 chesseb24 2273 17 2025-03-09 25+20
38 Kaidan404 2267 113 2025-03-20 2+2
39 JudahH 2263 260 2025-03-23 9+0
40 Mikulas 2260 40 2025-03-21 3+2
41 andrewmoron 2259 22 2025-03-16 11+0
42 pigammazeta 2247 110 2025-03-14 9+21
43 Replicadoe 2244 105 2025-03-13 2+2
44 Chrisinc 2243 22 2025-03-17 15+10
45 LeafTree 2234 335 2025-03-24 10+0
46 zerture 2233 114 2025-03-24 5+3
47 Inventor_1 2229 20 2025-03-23 5+15
48 King_Lenny 2228 302 2025-03-11 1+0
49 ITakeTrenPassant 2228 29 2025-03-24 3+1
50 edgebottle 2222 538 2025-03-24 5+5
51 Hammerschlag_xD 2217 100 2025-03-24 3+2
52 efourwhitewins 2213 20 2025-03-15 2+1
53 vandeekvanclub 2211 15 2025-03-18 1+2
54 Gordima 2211 99 2025-03-21 1+0
55 Fnvir 2207 21 2025-03-24 8+4
56 RatingEater 2197 75 2025-03-14 2+2
57 SodiumAmar 2197 57 2025-03-13 3+2
58 AdmiralHabibi 2194 65 2025-03-24 1+0
59 Hissha 2192 14 2025-03-15 1+10
60 dnilb 2192 180 2025-03-23 1+3
61 LonglongK 2192 119 2025-03-21 3+2
62 shamarabat 2189 85 2025-03-23 3+2
63 Boomraiser 2184 39 2025-03-23 3+2
64 abagalia 2176 46 2025-03-14 5+3
65 C-6YXTbI-6APAXTbI 2175 142 2025-03-24 3+3
66 Mravenec 2175 52 2025-03-18 4+3
67 prompt-engineer 2173 47 2025-03-10 5+3
68 BrittaBagels 2166 79 2025-03-13 1+0
69 Iek3 2166 66 2025-03-22 3+2
70 Reuseup 2163 71 2025-03-24 5+4
71 badushka 2158 109 2025-03-21 2+0
72 y4ysb_igratb 2155 36 2025-03-20 5+3
73 BilllyBones 2154 41 2025-03-23 8+3
74 QuantumSlayer 2154 28 2025-02-28 10+7
75 RanchoWangdu 2152 466 2025-03-21 2+1
76 youngcapablanca 2147 15 2025-03-08 3+2
77 GOAT38 2146 22 2025-03-13 5+3
78 eelke 2143 22 2025-03-18 1+1
79 GalayAV 2138 667 2025-03-23 7+3
80 Imfukhendroonk 2138 18 2025-03-19 6+1
81 POTASKUNCHIK 2138 112 2025-03-24 5+3
82 FrostyPotato 2134 64 2025-03-22 2+1
83 wannabe2700 2133 45 2025-03-10 1+1
84 ChessBoiJasonUSCA 2124 12 2025-03-13 5+3
85 cloudwalker55 2121 201 2025-03-24 5+3
86 Ka6aHuu_ygap 2119 78 2025-03-23 10+10
87 ericlgame 2114 170 2025-03-11 2+0
88 baxter_stockman 2113 9 2025-03-12 3+0
89 Spotlidos 2112 32 2025-03-21 1+3
90 gkos 2108 63 2025-03-15 4+3
91 LIPTONTEA3 2107 27 2025-03-11 3+2
92 WhoIsKenya 2106 31 2025-03-21 5+0
93 samatbor 2105 16 2025-03-23 3+2
94 trlex 2105 122 2025-03-22 13+9
95 Fumitoks 2103 267 2025-03-24 1+0
96 kristie 2098 52 2025-03-12 1+0
97 trainiingbot 2092 88 2025-03-22 4+3
98 loufman 2085 209 2025-03-13 5+3
99 o4epegHou 2084 15 2025-03-18 18+17
100 dangerdolan 2083 100 2025-03-12
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Re: I toast to LeelaqueenOdds and its creators. I raise my wine glass high and shout: Long live the queen. We have a que

Post by Father »

Father wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 8:46 pm
lkaufman wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:42 pm
Uri Blass wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:18 am
lkaufman wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 3:51 am
Uri Blass wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 11:53 pm [
Oded Ross expect every player with fide rating above 2000 to win at 10+5 against LeelaQueen Odds with black rewgardless of the improvement in Leela.

FM Ori Taichman expect to win 10-0 with black against LeelaQueenOdds in a serious match at 10+5 when he get money for every game.
Oded Ross expect every player with fide rating above 2000 to win at 10+5 against LeelaQueen Odds with black.

Itay Sitbon(fide rating 2195) agree with Ori Taichman.

I consider if to offer the same players who played against KomodoDragon to play a match of 10 games against LeelaQueenOdds at time control 10+5 in one day when they are black to see if they can win 10-0 or something close to it in these conditions with the idea of high prize only in case of 10-0 or at least 9-1 result.
Based on actual results of Rapid games at 10'+5" minimum played since Feb 27 (Leela White), the break-even Lichess Rapid rating is about 2520, which is supposed to equate to 2355 FIDE. I know this sounds crazy high, presumably some of the players were playing too fast or resigning too early or just didn't try hard. But I doubt that the true figure is below 2200, since most players do play to win such games. Ori is a pretty strong player, he might win most of the games but probably not all ten. Lately in blitz even players rated over 2800 haven't made a plus score, crazy as this sounds. But Joel Benjamin does win nearly every game at 8'3", time does make a big difference. Anyway it would be very interesting if you do this, as it will help settle the question of how important motivation and incentive are. You might have to pay out for Ori or anyone else who is of his level, but I wouldn't expect you to pay out for 2200 rated players and below. Frankly I can't understand how so many strong players keep losing to LQO even with decent time limits, but it's hard to dispute the facts. When titled players with known identities play it, they have some incentive to do well, they don't want to hurt their reputations. It is also possible that FIDE ratings in Israel are lower than they would be elsewhere, I wouldn't know about that.
Itay Sitbon claims that 2520 in rapid lichess is not level of 2355 fide and I understand that he believes that the level should be weaker than 2355.
Practically he has more than 2520 in rapid in lichess and only 2195 fide rating.

I think that it is possible that the evaluation is based on players who did not play a lot of rapid games or played rapid a long time ago when they were weaker.
I believe you are correct. I did some research and it seems that there wasn't enough data on established high-rated Rapid players to get it right. Based on my own sampling of Rapid opponents of Leela with established ratings over 2400, they seem to run about 100 above the Lichess Blitz ratings. But Lichess blitz ratings in that region run something like 170 elo or so above FIDE ratings according to two different sources, so I would subtract 270 to convert from Rapid Lichess to FIDE for players in the CM to FM range. So 2520 = 2250 FIDE, that should be the queen-odds break-even for 10'5" casual play, maybe 2200 or so for serious play with something on the line.
Good afternoon, Mr. Auri Blass. If you want "Catecan" in competition, I hope to be able to join you, regardless of the level of time control involved. I continue to be amazed by LeelaQueenOdds's high level of performance.
The current top 100 human list is being occupied every day by more and stronger players in general. Even the last players on the list often have an Elo rating above 2400 Lichess.
Incredible!!

LeelaQueenOdds Leaderboard

Next update in: 3m 28s
# Player Rating Games Last Game TC
1 SuperEasy 2865 132 2025-03-24 8+3
2 Former_Player 2771 288 2025-03-22 3+2
3 pozvonochek 2603 187 2025-03-13 1+0
4 jtcoach 2593 185 2025-03-22 3+2
5 FinalSpot 2560 83 2025-03-24 3+2
6 Catecan 2514 541 2025-03-14 1+0
7 davidb2 2505 127 2025-03-15 1+0
8 arturchix 2472 20 2025-03-16 3+1
9 Orichess88 2458 43 2025-03-14 2+3
10 shreckm8 2444 200 2025-03-24 3+0
11 monkeyking123 2435 113 2025-03-23 1+0
12 CoolerMove 2434 37 2025-03-24 9+10
13 Spinaltap 2428 52 2025-03-23 3+0
14 White_Phoenix 2421 89 2025-03-16 5+3
15 karloballa 2421 210 2025-03-24 5+2
16 VTChess 2411 285 2025-03-23 1+1
17 Sersemlet 2403 138 2025-02-27 3+2
18 ioste29 2401 61 2025-03-19 3+1
19 Andrey_Smaev_1998 2395 95 2025-03-24 4+3
20 Litigator94 2391 43 2025-03-08 3+2
21 garyhat 2379 127 2025-03-23 3+0
22 Somelier 2360 30 2025-03-18 2+2
23 dritharashtrar 2358 42 2025-03-17 3+1
24 grandmastergauri 2353 74 2025-03-23 1+1
25 Kelvandil 2344 84 2025-03-24 3+2
26 Switchitter 2343 92 2025-03-24 3+1
27 Ajktulm 2336 103 2025-03-24 5+5
28 Srive 2323 62 2025-03-20 5+3
29 pressive 2312 113 2025-03-17 1+0
30 Drviak1 2307 109 2025-03-22 3+2
31 serg4000 2303 145 2025-03-22 4+3
32 AsheliaXII 2291 48 2025-03-24 15+10
33 HVC135 2289 66 2025-03-17 2+1
34 quetag 2287 52 2025-03-22 5+3
35 sergo786 2285 51 2025-03-24 5+3
36 Dalnor 2278 269 2025-03-24 9+3
37 chesseb24 2273 17 2025-03-09 25+20
38 Kaidan404 2267 113 2025-03-20 2+2
39 JudahH 2263 260 2025-03-23 9+0
40 Mikulas 2260 40 2025-03-21 3+2
41 andrewmoron 2259 22 2025-03-16 11+0
42 pigammazeta 2247 110 2025-03-14 9+21
43 Replicadoe 2244 105 2025-03-13 2+2
44 Chrisinc 2243 22 2025-03-17 15+10
45 LeafTree 2234 335 2025-03-24 10+0
46 zerture 2233 114 2025-03-24 5+3
47 Inventor_1 2229 20 2025-03-23 5+15
48 King_Lenny 2228 302 2025-03-11 1+0
49 ITakeTrenPassant 2228 29 2025-03-24 3+1
50 edgebottle 2222 538 2025-03-24 5+5
51 Hammerschlag_xD 2217 100 2025-03-24 3+2
52 efourwhitewins 2213 20 2025-03-15 2+1
53 vandeekvanclub 2211 15 2025-03-18 1+2
54 Gordima 2211 99 2025-03-21 1+0
55 Fnvir 2207 21 2025-03-24 8+4
56 RatingEater 2197 75 2025-03-14 2+2
57 SodiumAmar 2197 57 2025-03-13 3+2
58 AdmiralHabibi 2194 65 2025-03-24 1+0
59 Hissha 2192 14 2025-03-15 1+10
60 dnilb 2192 180 2025-03-23 1+3
61 LonglongK 2192 119 2025-03-21 3+2
62 shamarabat 2189 85 2025-03-23 3+2
63 Boomraiser 2184 39 2025-03-23 3+2
64 abagalia 2176 46 2025-03-14 5+3
65 C-6YXTbI-6APAXTbI 2175 142 2025-03-24 3+3
66 Mravenec 2175 52 2025-03-18 4+3
67 prompt-engineer 2173 47 2025-03-10 5+3
68 BrittaBagels 2166 79 2025-03-13 1+0
69 Iek3 2166 66 2025-03-22 3+2
70 Reuseup 2163 71 2025-03-24 5+4
71 badushka 2158 109 2025-03-21 2+0
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** Mister Uri Blas.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: I toast to LeelaqueenOdds and its creators. I raise my wine glass high and shout: Long live the queen. We have a que

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** Mister Uri Blas.
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** Mister Uri Blass.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: I toast to LeelaqueenOdds and its creators. I raise my wine glass high and shout: Long live the queen. We have a que

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lkaufman wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 10:51 pm Today IM Levy Rozman, the most popular chess streamer, played a five game match with LeelaQueenOdds at 5'3", winning by 3 to 2. Yesterday and today LQO is playing about 7000 games per day, maybe comparable to all the other bots on LiChess combined?! Just incredible interest. Meanwhile the knight odds bot defeated another top player, Alexei Sarana, by 12.5 to 0.5 in blitz (3'1"). Levy plans to play rook odds next.
A comet in the sky.
"It's a bird!!"
"It's a plane!!"
"Nooooo!!! It's IM wateenellende"
Superhuman sweeps LeelaQueenOdds 1-0!!
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: I toast to LeelaqueenOdds and its creators. I raise my wine glass high and shout: Long live the queen. We have a que

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Father wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 2:27 pm
lkaufman wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 10:51 pm Today IM Levy Rozman, the most popular chess streamer, played a five game match with LeelaQueenOdds at 5'3", winning by 3 to 2. Yesterday and today LQO is playing about 7000 games per day, maybe comparable to all the other bots on LiChess combined?! Just incredible interest. Meanwhile the knight odds bot defeated another top player, Alexei Sarana, by 12.5 to 0.5 in blitz (3'1"). Levy plans to play rook odds next.
A comet in the sky.
"It's a bird!!"
"It's a plane!!"
"Nooooo!!! It's IM wateenellende"
Superhuman sweeps LeelaQueenOdds 1-0!!
After a hundred games, he has dropped below 40%, but that is still far better than anyone else, I think the previous record was about 25%. But strangely, a Russian GM, Andrey Belozerov, FIDE 2400, playing the same bot at a leisurely 3'2" TC, lost by an astounding 14.5 to 0.5! I can't make any sense of that, it is absurd.
Komodo rules!
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Re: I toast to LeelaqueenOdds and its creators. I raise my wine glass high and shout: Long live the queen. We have a que

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lkaufman wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 7:02 pm
Father wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 2:27 pm
lkaufman wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 10:51 pm Today IM Levy Rozman, the most popular chess streamer, played a five game match with LeelaQueenOdds at 5'3", winning by 3 to 2. Yesterday and today LQO is playing about 7000 games per day, maybe comparable to all the other bots on LiChess combined?! Just incredible interest. Meanwhile the knight odds bot defeated another top player, Alexei Sarana, by 12.5 to 0.5 in blitz (3'1"). Levy plans to play rook odds next.
A comet in the sky.
"It's a bird!!"
"It's a plane!!"
"Nooooo!!! It's IM wateenellende"
Superhuman sweeps LeelaQueenOdds 1-0!!
After a hundred games, he has dropped below 40%, but that is still far better than anyone else, I think the previous record was about 25%. But strangely, a Russian GM, Andrey Belozerov, FIDE 2400, playing the same bot at a leisurely 3'2" TC, lost by an astounding 14.5 to 0.5! I can't make any sense of that, it is absurd.
Good evening, Mr. Larry Kaufman. Expertise playing against chess machines seems to be one of the determining factors in obtaining certain desired results. Without a doubt, if you add being a Master to this, there will be more unbalancing elements. LeelaQueenOdds has dealt some beatings to advanced chess players with a bullet rating of 2303, where the machine beats the human 61.5 to 0.5 in CR 1+0. A few years ago, it seemed like pure and simple "science fiction." But no! It's reality in today's world.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.