Finally, Hikaru vs LeelaKnightOdds match!

[Uri Blass]

Good morning, Mr. Larry Kaufman. Thank you very much for your teachings. This learning is very important to me, and I'm sure it is for many others as well. Odds robots have advanced and progressed greatly. The question and reflection now is, "What is the limit of robots?" "What is the limit of LeelaQueenOdds, given the immense imbalance in material and the different time controls?" I am aware that after the neutralization I usually apply to the LeelaQueenOdds robot, I could win a high percentage of games, but unfortunately, I don't have enough time. If I manage to do so, I could surely challenge for first place in the table... let's wait and see how everything develops... in the case of the LeelaKnightOdds robot, everything is at a different price... in this case, a draw is coherently desired...

If you can win many of these games with more time, why not play 1’2” or 3’0” to prove so?

Good evening, Mr. Larry Kaufman. The idea of ​​playing at these time controls is good, although I believe it would still be too short for me. Reaching the 2700 rating threshold hasn't been easy for me, and I'm afraid of ruining my current rating. I'd prefer to have a second user on Lichess if possible, but I don't know if it's allowed. I would play at the time controls you suggest, using the black pieces, too. The thing is, Catecan already has its tricks and bad habits, and I'm already a mule of repetitive habits.

I believe you are allowed to use a second account in lichess for what yoy want to get.
See the following thread
https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess ... nd-account

[Father]

Good morning, Mr. Larry Kaufman. Thank you very much for your teachings. This learning is very important to me, and I'm sure it is for many others as well. Odds robots have advanced and progressed greatly. The question and reflection now is, "What is the limit of robots?" "What is the limit of LeelaQueenOdds, given the immense imbalance in material and the different time controls?" I am aware that after the neutralization I usually apply to the LeelaQueenOdds robot, I could win a high percentage of games, but unfortunately, I don't have enough time. If I manage to do so, I could surely challenge for first place in the table... let's wait and see how everything develops... in the case of the LeelaKnightOdds robot, everything is at a different price... in this case, a draw is coherently desired...

If you can win many of these games with more time, why not play 1’2” or 3’0” to prove so?

Good evening, Mr. Larry Kaufman. The idea of ​​playing at these time controls is good, although I believe it would still be too short for me. Reaching the 2700 rating threshold hasn't been easy for me, and I'm afraid of ruining my current rating. I'd prefer to have a second user on Lichess if possible, but I don't know if it's allowed. I would play at the time controls you suggest, using the black pieces, too. The thing is, Catecan already has its tricks and bad habits, and I'm already a mule of repetitive habits.

I believe you are allowed to use a second account in lichess for what yoy want to get.
See the following thread
https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess ... nd-account

Good afternoon, Mr. Uri Blass. Thank you very much for your message and teachings. I've been thinking that the best way to increase my overall performance in "man vs. machine" is to have a second account to face robots. Let's say, a new account where I can experiment with different time and color controls. This way, I could continue consistently and improve with my current "Catecan" account and not ruin my rating. Catecan has already surpassed 7,000 games, and I've understood a basic psychological and spiritual component to be able to advance toward the top of the leaderboard. Basically, and graphically, let's imagine a cart with obstacles on my horse. The correct attitude would be to "throw the heart of the rider forward" without concentrating on the obstacles, but rather to follow the heart in the race. Thinking too much about the obstacles in the race exposes us to more easily tripping over them and falling. I want to thank you, Mr. Uri Blass, and also Mr. Larry Kaufman and the other designers of these prodigious machines and systems for ranking the top 100 humans... by the way, 100% of the members of the table now have an elo rating above 2300!! Absolutely incredible, a great achievement by the creators of the robots and the lichess ecosystem.

LeelaQueenOdds Leaderboard
Next update in: 5m 46s
# Player Rating Games Last Game TC
1 Arka50 3035 150 2025-06-06 1+0
2 SuperEasy 2941 408 2025-06-07 8+3
3 FeegLood 2915 198 2025-06-09 1+0
4 verystablegenius69 2862 384 2025-05-07 1+0
5 InvisibleGuest2023 2828 394 2025-06-09 1+0
6 wateenellende 2814 154 2025-03-26 1+0
7 JoanFluvia 2778 659 2025-06-10 2+1
8 Former_Player 2778 308 2025-06-01 3+2
9 edgelorde 2765 1897 2025-06-10 1+1
10 Mikulas 2760 596 2025-06-06 2+1
11 VladimirMarkovic 2737 1516 2025-06-12 1+0
12 Catecan 2728 7010 2025-06-12 1+0
13 Hissha 2723 135 2025-05-27 1+10
14 jflup 2723 190 2025-06-12 3+1
15 Phara0h1 2715 1030 2025-06-11 4+0
16 Orichess88 2694 88 2025-04-03 2+3
17 Alex_Muezersky 2673 179 2025-04-05 1+1
18 dauANHbac 2669 74 2025-04-27 1+1
19 smeets 2662 29 2025-04-02 2+1
20 FourDWorm 2659 85 2025-06-10 5+3
21 turton 2579 543 2025-06-12 4+9
22 pozvonochek 2573 187 2025-03-13 1+0
23 Paulewski 2564 349 2025-06-12 5+0
24 jtcoach 2563 185 2025-03-22 3+2
25 pultis12 2541 259 2025-04-02 1+0
26 vilius100 2537 193 2025-06-12 3+2
27 gotschi 2536 1387 2025-06-03 2+3
28 Oleg_Papayan 2530 153 2025-05-11 2+0
29 FinalSpot 2527 125 2025-03-29 3+2
30 arturchix 2520 38 2025-03-27 2+1
31 Andrey_Smaev_1998 2511 222 2025-04-24 7+7
32 BT_CHESS42 2507 429 2025-05-29 3+2
33 Iron_jack 2506 290 2025-05-20 5+2
34 monkeyking123 2505 132 2025-05-04 1+0
35 VTChess 2500 1852 2025-06-12 1+1
36 eelke 2497 124 2025-04-17 1+1
37 Dobryfen 2495 81 2025-06-12 3+2
38 davidb2 2475 127 2025-03-15 1+0
39 Omnivor 2472 30 2025-05-14 5+5
40 ITakeTrenPassant 2462 200 2025-03-27 3+1
41 Fumitoks 2460 1522 2025-06-11 1+0
42 leelan1frenemy 2454 375 2025-06-10 3+1
43 MiguelPetroff 2451 165 2025-05-04 3+2
44 AdmiralHabibi 2440 117 2025-06-11 1+0
45 quetag 2439 170 2025-06-04 5+3
46 LeafTree 2436 3120 2025-06-12 10+0
47 Tamago 2434 138 2025-06-11 3+2
48 vlahi 2427 30 2025-03-30 3+0
49 shreckm8 2427 429 2025-04-04 3+0
50 Carobee 2413 40 2025-06-11 2+2
51 kristie 2412 143 2025-03-28 1+0
52 Mykingislonely 2405 277 2025-04-03 2+0
53 resb 2405 104 2025-06-10 5+3
54 zerture 2403 331 2025-06-01 8+3
55 tasknight 2400 469 2025-04-10 2+2
56 edgebottle 2399 1584 2025-05-11 5+5
57 klfo 2399 287 2025-06-11 4+5
58 Spinaltap 2398 52 2025-03-23 3+0
59 garyhat 2398 135 2025-03-27 3+0
60 cryptoenthusiast 2393 71 2025-05-14 1+1
61 AsheliaXII 2387 267 2025-06-11 15+10
62 ChessEducation 2386 187 2025-06-08 3+2
63 crushlc0odds 2374 56 2025-06-07 1+0
64 Sersemlet 2373 138 2025-02-27 3+2
65 astrozilla 2373 340 2025-04-22 3+2
66 xmyy080909 2372 301 2025-04-02 1+1
67 ioste29 2371 61 2025-03-19 3+1
68 behemothbeer 2371 508 2025-05-11 5+3
69 CatAdams 2368 704 2025-06-10 3+2
70 Goranor 2368 39 2025-05-31 4+4
71 CoolerMove 2366 56 2025-06-04 10+10
72 karloballa 2366 222 2025-03-30 5+2
73 supremegeorg69 2365 102 2025-06-12 5+3
74 Litigator94 2361 43 2025-03-08 3+2
75 White_Phoenix 2360 91 2025-03-30 5+3
76 fryingdog 2353 2238 2025-05-27 4+5
77 VishyNo1 2348 157 2025-06-12 2+2
78 Switchitter 2347 127 2025-04-23 3+1
79 benkonian 2344 108 2025-03-30 1+1
80 Reuseup 2342 531 2025-06-11 5+5
81 Chillkroete77 2341 126 2025-05-15 3+2
82 slowpoke28 2337 73 2025-05-11 3+2
83 darvec112357 2332 47 2025-05-10 5+3
84 Somelier 2330 30 2025-03-18 2+2
85 nauthnim 2328 471 2025-03-31 3+2
86 dritharashtrar 2328 42 2025-03-17 3+1
87 Kolibriechess 2324 77 2025-05-26 10+6
88 grandmastergauri 2323 74 2025-03-23 1+1
89 JeanLassalle64 2322 25 2025-05-31 3+2
90 Srive 2321 65 2025-06-09 5+3
91 BlindKungFuMaster 2319 42 2025-06-12 5+3
92 Zaxar2010 2317 45 2025-04-29 5+3
93 Kelvandil 2314 84 2025-03-24 3+2
94 Chrisinc 2312 29 2025-04-14 15+10
95 FinalCut 2311 35 2025-05-27 5+0
96 SomeCM 2310 314 2025-06-12 3+0
97 JindrichPavelka 2310 516 2025-06-12 3+2
98 Inventor_1 2309 35 2025-04-16 5+17
99 King_Lenny 2309 409 2025-06-07 1+0
100 Red_Aruba 2307 145 2025-05-08 3+5

[Father]

Good morning, Mr. Larry Kaufman. Thank you very much for your teachings. This learning is very important to me, and I'm sure it is for many others as well. Odds robots have advanced and progressed greatly. The question and reflection now is, "What is the limit of robots?" "What is the limit of LeelaQueenOdds, given the immense imbalance in material and the different time controls?" I am aware that after the neutralization I usually apply to the LeelaQueenOdds robot, I could win a high percentage of games, but unfortunately, I don't have enough time. If I manage to do so, I could surely challenge for first place in the table... let's wait and see how everything develops... in the case of the LeelaKnightOdds robot, everything is at a different price... in this case, a draw is coherently desired...

If you can win many of these games with more time, why not play 1’2” or 3’0” to prove so?

Good evening, Mr. Larry Kaufman. The idea of ​​playing at these time controls is good, although I believe it would still be too short for me. Reaching the 2700 rating threshold hasn't been easy for me, and I'm afraid of ruining my current rating. I'd prefer to have a second user on Lichess if possible, but I don't know if it's allowed. I would play at the time controls you suggest, using the black pieces, too. The thing is, Catecan already has its tricks and bad habits, and I'm already a mule of repetitive habits.

I believe you are allowed to use a second account in lichess for what yoy want to get.
See the following thread
https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess ... nd-account

Good afternoon, Mr. Uri Blass. Thank you very much for your message and teachings. I've been thinking that the best way to increase my overall performance in "man vs. machine" is to have a second account to face robots. Let's say, a new account where I can experiment with different time and color controls. This way, I could continue consistently and improve with my current "Catecan" account and not ruin my rating. Catecan has already surpassed 7,000 games, and I've understood a basic psychological and spiritual component to be able to advance toward the top of the leaderboard. Basically, and graphically, let's imagine a cart with obstacles on my horse. The correct attitude would be to "throw the heart of the rider forward" without concentrating on the obstacles, but rather to follow the heart in the race. Thinking too much about the obstacles in the race exposes us to more easily tripping over them and falling. I want to thank you, Mr. Uri Blass, and also Mr. Larry Kaufman and the other designers of these prodigious machines and systems for ranking the top 100 humans... by the way, 100% of the members of the table now have an elo rating above 2300!! Absolutely incredible, a great achievement by the creators of the robots and the lichess ecosystem.

LeelaQueenOdds Leaderboard
Next update in: 8m 54s
# Player Rating Games Last Game TC
1 Arka50 3035 150 2025-06-06 1+0
2 SuperEasy 2941 408 2025-06-07 8+3
3 FeegLood 2915 198 2025-06-09 1+0
4 verystablegenius69 2862 384 2025-05-07 1+0
5 InvisibleGuest2023 2828 394 2025-06-09 1+0
6 wateenellende 2814 154 2025-03-26 1+0
7 JoanFluvia 2778 659 2025-06-10 2+1
8 Former_Player 2778 308 2025-06-01 3+2
9 edgelorde 2765 1897 2025-06-10 1+1
10 Catecan 2761 7090 2025-06-13 1+0
11 Mikulas 2760 596 2025-06-06 2+1
12 VladimirMarkovic 2737 1516 2025-06-12 1+0
13 Hissha 2723 135 2025-05-27 1+10
14 jflup 2723 190 2025-06-12 3+1
15 Phara0h1 2715 1030 2025-06-11 4+0
16 Orichess88 2694 88 2025-04-03 2+3
17 Alex_Muezersky 2673 179 2025-04-05 1+1
18 dauANHbac 2669 74 2025-04-27 1+1
19 smeets 2662 29 2025-04-02 2+1
20 FourDWorm 2659 85 2025-06-10 5+3

[Father]

[/pgn]32136 user_id=192]

Good morning, Mr. Larry Kaufman. Thank you very much for your teachings. This learning is very important to me, and I'm sure it is for many others as well. Odds robots have advanced and progressed greatly. The question and reflection now is, "What is the limit of robots?" "What is the limit of LeelaQueenOdds, given the immense imbalance in material and the different time controls?" I am aware that after the neutralization I usually apply to the LeelaQueenOdds robot, I could win a high percentage of games, but unfortunately, I don't have enough time. If I manage to do so, I could surely challenge for first place in the table... let's wait and see how everything develops... in the case of the LeelaKnightOdds robot, everything is at a different price... in this case, a draw is coherently desired...

If you can win many of these games with more time, why not play 1’2” or 3’0” to prove so?

Good evening, Mr. Larry Kaufman. The idea of ​​playing at these time controls is good, although I believe it would still be too short for me. Reaching the 2700 rating threshold hasn't been easy for me, and I'm afraid of ruining my current rating. I'd prefer to have a second user on Lichess if possible, but I don't know if it's allowed. I would play at the time controls you suggest, using the black pieces, too. The thing is, Catecan already has its tricks and bad habits, and I'm already a mule of repetitive habits.

I believe you are allowed to use a second account in lichess for what yoy want to get.
See the following thread
https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess ... nd-account

Good morning, Mr. Uri Blass and Mr. Larry Kaufman. Good morning, gentlemen, creators of LeelaQueenOdds, chess computer programmers, and practitioners of Artificial Intelligence and cybernetic thought.

I hope everyone is well and continues to be well. May this week be a good week and may the good times of the week continue for many years to come.

Today I would like to share this strange and novel chess game against leelaqueenodds, which has parameters that I find very special and complex to understand. I would like you to observe the computer's behavior against my queen. The computer repeatedly refuses to take it, giving me enough time to maneuver with my bishop and block the game.

I would like you to explain to me the reasoning behind this "cybernetic decision" ... thank you again, and have a good day to each and every one of you.


[pgn][Event "casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/6Vs2cTUw"]
[Date "2025.06.17"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[GameId "6Vs2cTUw"]
[UTCDate "2025.06.17"]
[UTCTime "13:04:29"]
[WhiteElo "2022"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. f4 c5 3. e3 h5 4. Nf3 h4 5. c3 b6 6. Bd3 h3 7. g3 Nc6 8. Qe2 e6 9. Ba6 Bxa6 10. Qxa6 Ne7 11. Qe2 d5 12. O-O Nf5 13. Re1 Rc8 14. Nbd2 Nd6 15. Nf1 Be7 16. a3 a5 17. Qd3 Nfe4 18. Re2 a4 19. Bd2 c4 20. Qc2 Ra8 21. Be1 f5 22. Ra2 Nf6 23. Ra1 b5 24. Rc1 Kd7 25. Qd1 Rag8 26. Rcc2 g6 27. Bd2 Bd8 28. Bc1 Rg7 29. Qe1 Ke7 30. Kh1 Kd7 31. Kg1 Nh7 32. Kh1 Kc8 33. Kg1 g5 34. Kh1 g4 35. Nh4 Nf6 36. Kg1 Rhg8 37. Kh1 Kb8 38. Kg1 Rc7 39. Kh1 Rd7 40. Kg1 Kc8 41. Kh1 Be7 42. Kg1 Rg7 43. Kh1 Kb7 44. Kg1 Kc6 45. Kh1 Ra7 46. Kg1 Ra8 47. Kh1 Kb7 48. Kg1 Rf8 49. Kh1 Ka8 50. Kg1 Kb8 51. Kh1 Kb7 52. Kg1 Bd8 53. Kh1 Kc6 54. Kg1 Kc7 55. Kh1 Kd7 56. Kg1 Re8 57. Kh1 Bc7 58. Kg1 Reg8 59. Kh1 Bd8 60. Kg1 Rf7 61. Kh1 Nfe4 62. Kg1 Rh7 63. Kh1 Rhg7 64. Kg1 Kc6 65. Kh1 Ne8 66. Kg1 N8f6 67. Kh1 Nh5 68. Kg1 Bxh4 69. gxh4 Rg6 70. Ng3 Nhf6 71. Nxe4 Nxe4 72. Qg3 Rc8 73. Kh1 Kd6 74. Kg1 Ke7 75. Kh1 Kf7 76. Kg1 Ke7 77. Kh1 Kf7 78. Kg1 Rcg8 79. Bd2 Kf6 80. Be1 Kg7 81. Kh1 Kf6 82. Qg1 Rc8 83. Bg3 Ra8 84. Qe1 Rgg8 85. Kg1 Rgb8 86. Kh1 Rc8 87. Kg1 Rd8 88. Kh1 Rdc8 89. Kg1 Re8 90. Kh1 Rf8 91. Kg1 Rfc8 92. Kh1 Kf7 93. Kg1 Kf6 94. Kh1 Kf7 95. Kg1 Rc7 96. Kh1 Ke7 97. Kg1 Kf7 98. Kh1 Kf6 99. Kg1 Rac8 100. Kh1 Ra7 101. Kg1 Rb8 102. Kh1 Rc8 103. Kg1 Rb7 104. Kh1 Rcb8 105. Kg1 Rc7 106. Kh1 Rcb7 107. Kg1 Rc8 108. Kh1 Rbc7 109. Kg1 Ra8 110. Kh1 Rb7 111. Kg1 Rab8 112. Kh1 Ra7 113. Kg1 Rc8 114. Kh1 Rca8 115. Kg1 Rb7 116. Kh1 Rba7 117. Kg1 Rd7 118. Kh1 Ke7 119. Kg1 Kd6 120. Kh1 Ke7 121. Kg1 Kd6 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

[lkaufman]

Good morning, Mr. Uri Blass and Mr. Larry Kaufman. Good morning, gentlemen, creators of LeelaQueenOdds, chess computer programmers, and practitioners of Artificial Intelligence and cybernetic thought.

I hope everyone is well and continues to be well. May this week be a good week and may the good times of the week continue for many years to come.

Today I would like to share this strange and novel chess game against leelaqueenodds, which has parameters that I find very special and complex to understand. I would like you to observe the computer's behavior against my queen. The computer repeatedly refuses to take it, giving me enough time to maneuver with my bishop and block the game.

I would like you to explain to me the reasoning behind this "cybernetic decision" ... thank you again, and have a good day to each and every one of you.


[pgn][Event "casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/6Vs2cTUw"]
[Date "2025.06.17"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[GameId "6Vs2cTUw"]
[UTCDate "2025.06.17"]
[UTCTime "13:04:29"]
[WhiteElo "2022"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. f4 c5 3. e3 h5 4. Nf3 h4 5. c3 b6 6. Bd3 h3 7. g3 Nc6 8. Qe2 e6 9. Ba6 Bxa6 10. Qxa6 Ne7 11. Qe2 d5 12. O-O Nf5 13. Re1 Rc8 14. Nbd2 Nd6 15. Nf1 Be7 16. a3 a5 17. Qd3 Nfe4 18. Re2 a4 19. Bd2 c4 20. Qc2 Ra8 21. Be1 f5 22. Ra2 Nf6 23. Ra1 b5 24. Rc1 Kd7 25. Qd1 Rag8 26. Rcc2 g6 27. Bd2 Bd8 28. Bc1 Rg7 29. Qe1 Ke7 30. Kh1 Kd7 31. Kg1 Nh7 32. Kh1 Kc8 33. Kg1 g5 34. Kh1 g4 35. Nh4 Nf6 36. Kg1 Rhg8 37. Kh1 Kb8 38. Kg1 Rc7 39. Kh1 Rd7 40. Kg1 Kc8 41. Kh1 Be7 42. Kg1 Rg7 43. Kh1 Kb7 44. Kg1 Kc6 45. Kh1 Ra7 46. Kg1 Ra8 47. Kh1 Kb7 48. Kg1 Rf8 49. Kh1 Ka8 50. Kg1 Kb8 51. Kh1 Kb7 52. Kg1 Bd8 53. Kh1 Kc6 54. Kg1 Kc7 55. Kh1 Kd7 56. Kg1 Re8 57. Kh1 Bc7 58. Kg1 Reg8 59. Kh1 Bd8 60. Kg1 Rf7 61. Kh1 Nfe4 62. Kg1 Rh7 63. Kh1 Rhg7 64. Kg1 Kc6 65. Kh1 Ne8 66. Kg1 N8f6 67. Kh1 Nh5 68. Kg1 Bxh4 69. gxh4 Rg6 70. Ng3 Nhf6 71. Nxe4 Nxe4 72. Qg3 Rc8 73. Kh1 Kd6 74. Kg1 Ke7 75. Kh1 Kf7 76. Kg1 Ke7 77. Kh1 Kf7 78. Kg1 Rcg8 79. Bd2 Kf6 80. Be1 Kg7 81. Kh1 Kf6 82. Qg1 Rc8 83. Bg3 Ra8 84. Qe1 Rgg8 85. Kg1 Rgb8 86. Kh1 Rc8 87. Kg1 Rd8 88. Kh1 Rdc8 89. Kg1 Re8 90. Kh1 Rf8 91. Kg1 Rfc8 92. Kh1 Kf7 93. Kg1 Kf6 94. Kh1 Kf7 95. Kg1 Rc7 96. Kh1 Ke7 97. Kg1 Kf7 98. Kh1 Kf6 99. Kg1 Rac8 100. Kh1 Ra7 101. Kg1 Rb8 102. Kh1 Rc8 103. Kg1 Rb7 104. Kh1 Rcb8 105. Kg1 Rc7 106. Kh1 Rcb7 107. Kg1 Rc8 108. Kh1 Rbc7 109. Kg1 Ra8 110. Kh1 Rb7 111. Kg1 Rab8 112. Kh1 Ra7 113. Kg1 Rc8 114. Kh1 Rca8 115. Kg1 Rb7 116. Kh1 Rba7 117. Kg1 Rd7 118. Kh1 Ke7 119. Kg1 Kd6 120. Kh1 Ke7 121. Kg1 Kd6 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

It is rather amazing that Leela keeps refusing to take the queen with her knight, but it is somewhat understandable. Either way, with or without the capture, the game is hopelessly blocked and drawn. Leela judges that there is no longer any risk of losing, and apparently believes that the chance of winning is higher if the queen is not taken, since once it is taken the pawn recapture completes the blockade. Of course this is all silly, there is no chance of winning either way except on time, but I suppose Leela is technically "correct" in the sense that you might move your queen away and allow a properly timed g3 break if you were a really weak player. I believe we could teach Leela to avoid such total blockade draws if we wanted to do so, but it would probably lose a lot of games to strong players if we did, so there is no incentive to do so. I think you are the only player who considers getting a draw at queen odds to be the goal, and we aren't aiming for an "anti-father" bot! By the way, the bot was upgraded Sunday with a net properly trained to play Black at queen odds, but this hasn't stopped you from getting draws, rather it will make it much more difficult for humans to win by taking the White pieces. So probably it will boost your standing in the list, though most top players play Black already.

[Father]

Good morning, Mr. Uri Blass and Mr. Larry Kaufman. Good morning, gentlemen, creators of LeelaQueenOdds, chess computer programmers, and practitioners of Artificial Intelligence and cybernetic thought.

I hope everyone is well and continues to be well. May this week be a good week and may the good times of the week continue for many years to come.

Today I would like to share this strange and novel chess game against leelaqueenodds, which has parameters that I find very special and complex to understand. I would like you to observe the computer's behavior against my queen. The computer repeatedly refuses to take it, giving me enough time to maneuver with my bishop and block the game.

I would like you to explain to me the reasoning behind this "cybernetic decision" ... thank you again, and have a good day to each and every one of you.


[pgn][Event "casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/6Vs2cTUw"]
[Date "2025.06.17"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[GameId "6Vs2cTUw"]
[UTCDate "2025.06.17"]
[UTCTime "13:04:29"]
[WhiteElo "2022"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. f4 c5 3. e3 h5 4. Nf3 h4 5. c3 b6 6. Bd3 h3 7. g3 Nc6 8. Qe2 e6 9. Ba6 Bxa6 10. Qxa6 Ne7 11. Qe2 d5 12. O-O Nf5 13. Re1 Rc8 14. Nbd2 Nd6 15. Nf1 Be7 16. a3 a5 17. Qd3 Nfe4 18. Re2 a4 19. Bd2 c4 20. Qc2 Ra8 21. Be1 f5 22. Ra2 Nf6 23. Ra1 b5 24. Rc1 Kd7 25. Qd1 Rag8 26. Rcc2 g6 27. Bd2 Bd8 28. Bc1 Rg7 29. Qe1 Ke7 30. Kh1 Kd7 31. Kg1 Nh7 32. Kh1 Kc8 33. Kg1 g5 34. Kh1 g4 35. Nh4 Nf6 36. Kg1 Rhg8 37. Kh1 Kb8 38. Kg1 Rc7 39. Kh1 Rd7 40. Kg1 Kc8 41. Kh1 Be7 42. Kg1 Rg7 43. Kh1 Kb7 44. Kg1 Kc6 45. Kh1 Ra7 46. Kg1 Ra8 47. Kh1 Kb7 48. Kg1 Rf8 49. Kh1 Ka8 50. Kg1 Kb8 51. Kh1 Kb7 52. Kg1 Bd8 53. Kh1 Kc6 54. Kg1 Kc7 55. Kh1 Kd7 56. Kg1 Re8 57. Kh1 Bc7 58. Kg1 Reg8 59. Kh1 Bd8 60. Kg1 Rf7 61. Kh1 Nfe4 62. Kg1 Rh7 63. Kh1 Rhg7 64. Kg1 Kc6 65. Kh1 Ne8 66. Kg1 N8f6 67. Kh1 Nh5 68. Kg1 Bxh4 69. gxh4 Rg6 70. Ng3 Nhf6 71. Nxe4 Nxe4 72. Qg3 Rc8 73. Kh1 Kd6 74. Kg1 Ke7 75. Kh1 Kf7 76. Kg1 Ke7 77. Kh1 Kf7 78. Kg1 Rcg8 79. Bd2 Kf6 80. Be1 Kg7 81. Kh1 Kf6 82. Qg1 Rc8 83. Bg3 Ra8 84. Qe1 Rgg8 85. Kg1 Rgb8 86. Kh1 Rc8 87. Kg1 Rd8 88. Kh1 Rdc8 89. Kg1 Re8 90. Kh1 Rf8 91. Kg1 Rfc8 92. Kh1 Kf7 93. Kg1 Kf6 94. Kh1 Kf7 95. Kg1 Rc7 96. Kh1 Ke7 97. Kg1 Kf7 98. Kh1 Kf6 99. Kg1 Rac8 100. Kh1 Ra7 101. Kg1 Rb8 102. Kh1 Rc8 103. Kg1 Rb7 104. Kh1 Rcb8 105. Kg1 Rc7 106. Kh1 Rcb7 107. Kg1 Rc8 108. Kh1 Rbc7 109. Kg1 Ra8 110. Kh1 Rb7 111. Kg1 Rab8 112. Kh1 Ra7 113. Kg1 Rc8 114. Kh1 Rca8 115. Kg1 Rb7 116. Kh1 Rba7 117. Kg1 Rd7 118. Kh1 Ke7 119. Kg1 Kd6 120. Kh1 Ke7 121. Kg1 Kd6 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

It is rather amazing that Leela keeps refusing to take the queen with her knight, but it is somewhat understandable. Either way, with or without the capture, the game is hopelessly blocked and drawn. Leela judges that there is no longer any risk of losing, and apparently believes that the chance of winning is higher if the queen is not taken, since once it is taken the pawn recapture completes the blockade. Of course this is all silly, there is no chance of winning either way except on time, but I suppose Leela is technically "correct" in the sense that you might move your queen away and allow a properly timed g3 break if you were a really weak player. I believe we could teach Leela to avoid such total blockade draws if we wanted to do so, but it would probably lose a lot of games to strong players if we did, so there is no incentive to do so. I think you are the only player who considers getting a draw at queen odds to be the goal, and we aren't aiming for an "anti-father" bot! By the way, the bot was upgraded Sunday with a net properly trained to play Black at queen odds, but this hasn't stopped you from getting draws, rather it will make it much more difficult for humans to win by taking the White pieces. So probably it will boost your standing in the list, though most top players play Black already.

Thank you, Mr. Larry Kaufman, for your teachings. For me, all this interaction with the robot and the participation of humans in this forum has been another reason to live, to dream, to run. Until "The Great Programmer" gives me life and health, you'll have the opportunity to count on "Catecan" and his rider. I recently reached a little over 2760 Elo and managed to climb to ninth place in the standings. I've noticed that these days, every loss negatively impacts my Elo. For example, after two wins and one loss, my rating may go up by a point, but right now, every loss knocks me back to the bottom. But I don't consider that a problem. My imaginary Catecan and I are accustomed to riding along the "muleteers' paths." In my country, we call the founders and settlers of the mountains in the state where I live, "Antioquia," "arrieros." We refer to them as "Los Arrieros Nuestros Mayores." I would like to try out new time controls, but basically not with Catecan. I would need a new Iche account. Mr. Uri Blass told me that he believed it was possible to have another account. I would also like to continue playing a little against computers with all their pieces and functions in standard mode, as I used to do for so many years in the past. But for now, my good friend "Catecan" and I are very busy following the robot LeelaQueenOdds through valleys, mountain ranges, forests, and deserts. "God will provide" my parents used to say, I also used to hear them say "dress slowly, you're in a hurry." Again to everyone: Thank you.