I toast to LeelaqueenOdds and its creators. I raise my wine glass high and shout: Long live the queen. We have a queen!!

[Uri Blass]

I see that I did not find instructions how to download leelaqueen odds in discord.

searching in google lead me to the following link and I am not sure if it is the LeelaQueenOdds or some old version

https://github.com/notune/LeelaQueenOdds

I see release date is 13.11.2024

[Father]

I see that I did not find instructions how to download leelaqueen odds in discord.

searching in google lead me to the following link and I am not sure if it is the LeelaQueenOdds or some old version

https://github.com/notune/LeelaQueenOdds

I see release date is 13.11.2024

Good afternoon, Mr. Uriblass. I'd like to ask if you or anyone on the forum knows who the player "Embeng" is. He has emerged like a meteor on LeelaQueenOdds and LeelaRookOdds, with a performance far superior to that of Mr. Hikaru Nakamura.

[Uri Blass]

I see that I did not find instructions how to download leelaqueen odds in discord.

searching in google lead me to the following link and I am not sure if it is the LeelaQueenOdds or some old version

https://github.com/notune/LeelaQueenOdds

I see release date is 13.11.2024

Good afternoon, Mr. Uriblass. I'd like to ask if you or anyone on the forum knows who the player "Embeng" is. He has emerged like a meteor on LeelaQueenOdds and LeelaRookOdds, with a performance far superior to that of Mr. Hikaru Nakamura.

I do not know but based on his blitz rating I suspect he is cheating by using some engine(did not analyze his games)
I believe that It is impossible that a human player with a blitz rating near 2100 can beat the knight odd bot in almost every game.

[Father]

I see that I did not find instructions how to download leelaqueen odds in discord.

searching in google lead me to the following link and I am not sure if it is the LeelaQueenOdds or some old version

https://github.com/notune/LeelaQueenOdds

I see release date is 13.11.2024

Good afternoon, Mr. Uriblass. I'd like to ask if you or anyone on the forum knows who the player "Embeng" is. He has emerged like a meteor on LeelaQueenOdds and LeelaRookOdds, with a performance far superior to that of Mr. Hikaru Nakamura.

I do not know but based on his blitz rating I suspect he is cheating by using some engine(did not analyze his games)
I believe that It is impossible that a human player with a blitz rating near 2100 can beat the knight odd bot in almost every game.

..Mr. Iri Blass. I don't rule out the possibility that on our planet, with more than 8.2 billion inhabitants, there may be people with prodigious memories, something like the case of some "autistics" with exceptional abilities in specific areas, such as mathematics, music, or art. Game systems with likely repetitive applications could then be prefabricated. What I don't understand is how tactical calculation solutions could be applied on the fly or in the field in such a short time. I would like to know the concepts of programming experts, and especially Mr. Larry Kaufman.

[Father]

I see that I did not find instructions how to download leelaqueen odds in discord.

searching in google lead me to the following link and I am not sure if it is the LeelaQueenOdds or some old version

https://github.com/notune/LeelaQueenOdds

I see release date is 13.11.2024

Good afternoon, Mr. Uriblass. I'd like to ask if you or anyone on the forum knows who the player "Embeng" is. He has emerged like a meteor on LeelaQueenOdds and LeelaRookOdds, with a performance far superior to that of Mr. Hikaru Nakamura.

I do not know but based on his blitz rating I suspect he is cheating by using some engine(did not analyze his games)
I believe that It is impossible that a human player with a blitz rating near 2100 can beat the knight odd bot in almost every game.

..Mr. Iri Blass. I don't rule out the possibility that on our planet, with more than 8.2 billion inhabitants, there may be people with prodigious memories, something like the case of some "autistics" with exceptional abilities in specific areas, such as mathematics, music, or art. Game systems with likely repetitive applications could then be prefabricated. What I don't understand is how tactical calculation solutions could be applied on the fly or in the field in such a short time. I would like to know the concepts of programming experts, and especially Mr. Larry Kaufman.

** Uri

[Father]

I see that I did not find instructions how to download leelaqueen odds in discord.

searching in google lead me to the following link and I am not sure if it is the LeelaQueenOdds or some old version

https://github.com/notune/LeelaQueenOdds

I see release date is 13.11.2024

Good afternoon, Mr. Uriblass. I'd like to ask if you or anyone on the forum knows who the player "Embeng" is. He has emerged like a meteor on LeelaQueenOdds and LeelaRookOdds, with a performance far superior to that of Mr. Hikaru Nakamura.

I do not know but based on his blitz rating I suspect he is cheating by using some engine(did not analyze his games)
I believe that It is impossible that a human player with a blitz rating near 2100 can beat the knight odd bot in almost every game.

The results at the time of writing this text for player Embeng are as follows:
1- LeelaQueenOdds: 94 wins for the human; -0 draws; 7 losses for the human, at a time control of 1 + 4. The human's effectiveness percentage is 96.9%!!
2- LeelaRookOdds: 20 wins for the human; -0 draws; 2 losses, at a time control of 1 + 2 seconds. At this point, we have a result of 90.9% effectiveness for the human. For me, this is surprising and would exceed all expectations of the world's number 1 and number 2 players in FIDE. Note that Nakamura's effectiveness percentage when playing against LeelaRookOdds at 3 + 2, a counter that favors the human, was 32.14%. Furthermore, the new human meteor is beating the computer with checkmate.

[lkaufman]

I see that I did not find instructions how to download leelaqueen odds in discord.

searching in google lead me to the following link and I am not sure if it is the LeelaQueenOdds or some old version

https://github.com/notune/LeelaQueenOdds

I see release date is 13.11.2024

Good afternoon, Mr. Uriblass. I'd like to ask if you or anyone on the forum knows who the player "Embeng" is. He has emerged like a meteor on LeelaQueenOdds and LeelaRookOdds, with a performance far superior to that of Mr. Hikaru Nakamura.

I do not know but based on his blitz rating I suspect he is cheating by using some engine(did not analyze his games)
I believe that It is impossible that a human player with a blitz rating near 2100 can beat the knight odd bot in almost every game.

The results at the time of writing this text for player Embeng are as follows:
1- LeelaQueenOdds: 94 wins for the human; -0 draws; 7 losses for the human, at a time control of 1 + 4. The human's effectiveness percentage is 96.9%!!
2- LeelaRookOdds: 20 wins for the human; -0 draws; 2 losses, at a time control of 1 + 2 seconds. At this point, we have a result of 90.9% effectiveness for the human. For me, this is surprising and would exceed all expectations of the world's number 1 and number 2 players in FIDE. Note that Nakamura's effectiveness percentage when playing against LeelaRookOdds at 3 + 2, a counter that favors the human, was 32.14%. Furthermore, the new human meteor is beating the computer with checkmate.

He is very obviously using Stockfish (or something similar), move accuracy and centipawn loss are at superhuman levels, like Stockfish, and the four second increment is about what he needs to comfortably check Stockfish (or whatever). I asked for his name to be removed from the Leaderboard.

[lkaufman]

The queen odds net is available, check on Leela Discord to see how to get it.

It is unavailable to the public because I can't access Discord:



Why is it a private net and not readily available to download as a public link? Why don't these nets appear at https://lczero.org/dev/wiki/best-nets-for-lc0/ ? It claims to feature the best nets but the best are obviously the LeelaQueenOdds nets and they don't appear in the page.

I wish now that people work on OpenLeelaQueenOdds weights that are shared openly and that people can use offline or continue training at home, and that people move from the current solution to open ones that have public links and not hoops people have to jump through to use. Imagine how far Stockfish would have gotten if the source could only have been downloaded from some private link on Discord, this is like one step forward, two steps back.

What if I want to see how badly LeelaQueenOdds destroys me from a normal chess game instead of queen odds? It's the strongest chess entity against humans but I can't play it in normal chess because the bot refuses my challenges? What if I want to analyze some chess position with it to know that's the trickiest continuation? Why are the doors closed?

The way has been shown, we need someone that opens the project to help the community as much as possible instead of only helping the interests of the creators of LeelaQueenOdds.

I have no idea why you can't get on Discord to get the net, I have no connection with Discord other than belonging to this Leela group. However I'll say that when you do finally get the queen odds net (which is public), you will be disappointed if you try to use it for normal chess. It was trained specifically to be strong at giving queen odds to humans of queen odds level (roughly FM level in blitz), and it is only really good at odds fairly close to that, like rook and knight or queen for knight. There is likely to be an upgrade to a new queen odds net very soon. We have no concerns about it being public, but the net used for knight odds and rook odds remains private as in this case we do have such concerns and also don't want to deprive the world of seeing the games GMs play against them. For standard chess I recommend just using a top-end Leela net with a high Contempt setting, that should be better for the purpose of how best to beat top human GMs in standard chess.

Most serious chess players do not play against top GMs so for them the question is not how to beat top human GM's but how to beat weaker chess players in 90+30(fide rating 1600 or 1800 or 2000)

That doesn't change my answer, just use a higher Contempt setting depending on the desired rating.

[lkaufman]

I see that I did not find instructions how to download leelaqueen odds in discord.

searching in google lead me to the following link and I am not sure if it is the LeelaQueenOdds or some old version

https://github.com/notune/LeelaQueenOdds

I see release date is 13.11.2024

Yes, that is the net used by LeelaQueenOdds from last November up until one day ago. We upgraded (?) to a new net also trained for queen odds, by "@Ira_Jed and @Lucario6607. It's not yet clear that it is stronger, but I think on balance the evidence suggests that it is a bit stronger against both human-like bots and against actual humans. Right after the switch, it played four blitz (3'0") games against GM Jaan Ehlvest, who was World number 5 about 35 years ago and is still, at age 63, rated well over the GM threshold at 2532 FIDE. Leela won three and lost one. No games decided by time, but Ehlvest did move a bit faster than necessary for a 3' game, more as if they were 2' games. He said that he thinks this was the main reason for his loss, but even so winning a blitz match at queen odds from a former top-five player indicates that the new net is not bad! By a curious coincidence, Ehlvest is the strongest player I ever defeated in a tournament game, around 1996 I believe, in the World Open.

[Father]

I see that I did not find instructions how to download leelaqueen odds in discord.

searching in google lead me to the following link and I am not sure if it is the LeelaQueenOdds or some old version

https://github.com/notune/LeelaQueenOdds

I see release date is 13.11.2024

Yes, that is the net used by LeelaQueenOdds from last November up until one day ago. We upgraded (?) to a new net also trained for queen odds, by "@Ira_Jed and @Lucario6607. It's not yet clear that it is stronger, but I think on balance the evidence suggests that it is a bit stronger against both human-like bots and against actual humans. Right after the switch, it played four blitz (3'0") games against GM Jaan Ehlvest, who was World number 5 about 35 years ago and is still, at age 63, rated well over the GM threshold at 2532 FIDE. Leela won three and lost one. No games decided by time, but Ehlvest did move a bit faster than necessary for a 3' game, more as if they were 2' games. He said that he thinks this was the main reason for his loss, but even so winning a blitz match at queen odds from a former top-five player indicates that the new net is not bad! By a curious coincidence, Ehlvest is the strongest player I ever defeated in a tournament game, around 1996 I believe, in the World Open.

Good evening, Mr. Larry Kaufman, gentlemen of the Leela Bots team, and Mr. Lichess. I hope you are all well and continue to do well. I wish the best for all of you and for each and every one of you. I also hope that these notes and words reach you, as well as chess enthusiasts and players, and especially those who love challenges against chess computers. Today I want to propose an idea; it is this: "Design some type of monthly open tournament or competition for each of the bots, where humans have the opportunity to play only against the bots and obtain a spot in the competition. This will increase the popularity of the bots and the incentives of the humans; it would also be reflected in the Elo within the bots' table."Sincerely, Pablo