My experience against LeelaPieceOdds

[Uri Blass]

1)QRR most of the games I won are 1+2 hut probably I can win also with 2+0 (did not try a lot of 2+0 games and in any case I will need hundrends of games to have a chance to be at the top of the leaderboard.
top 10
1 RhinoTank 3337 298-8-16 1+0 2025-07-06
2 fischer114514 3051 340-39-31 2+1 2025-08-06
3 mestre27 3021 125-14-11 1+0 2025-09-04
4 uriblass 2856 63-1-0 1+2 2025-09-28
5 Hissha 2781 37-2-3 2+0 2025-09-27
6 Brunetticus 2746 78-0-10 1+1 2025-09-28
7 Lucario6607 2731 54-10-18 1+1 2025-09-29
8 Isak2011 2672 48-10-12 3+0 2025-06-15
9 Badudylek 2580 26-5-7 1+0 2025-08-22
10 elsiekay 2573 28-5-29 1+0 2025-09-25
2)QRN usually win at 3+0 but not always

switched from 2+2 to 3+0
top 10
1 uriblass 2838 65-4-3 3+0 2025-09-28
2 Hissha 2827 60-1-3 3+0 2025-09-28
3 elsiekay 2603 34-14-83 1+0 2025-09-13
4 StockIsFishyBread17 2381 32-5-8 6+0 2025-08-30
5 richardkiss 2345 70-8-18 15+3 2025-09-29
6 box_boxed 2328 15-1-1 3+2 2025-09-29
7 naughty_jm 2294 19-5-9 3+2 2025-09-19
8 GDX 2291 21-1-7 10+0 2025-08-18
9 Brunetticus 2272 14-0-0 6+1 2025-09-13
10 InactiveGamer 2221 12-1-7 1+0 2025-05-27

QBB
also here changed time control from 2+1 to 3+0 and found it is easier when the opponent has no pair of bishops

1 uriblass 2801 49-1-0 3+0 2025-09-27
2 Hissha 2716 35-4-1 3+0 2025-09-28
3 mestre27 2530 26-4-8 1+0 2025-09-04
4 StockIsFishyBread17 2501 75-23-93 6+0 2025-08-27
5 Krausevich 2414 23-1-2 1+2 2025-08-27
6 Zyfaux 2338 24-2-8 8+0 2025-09-28
7 richardkiss 2310 66-8-14 15+3 2025-09-22
8 box_boxed 2274 13-1-0 3+2 2025-09-29
9 claar 2221 60-13-32 13+15 2025-09-29
10 GDX 2184 17-2-7 8+3 2025-08-19

QNN
also usually win at 3+0 but not always.
Started with 15-0 results at 2+2 and later switched to 3+0 and had some draws and losses.

1 uriblass 2669 34-2-3 3+0 2025-09-28
2 Krausevich 2666 85-13-17 1+2 2025-09-26
3 Hissha 2563 22-1-1 3+0 2025-09-28
4 mestre27 2538 30-2-11 1+0 2025-09-04
5 Brunetticus 2500 40-2-1 8+3 2025-09-13
6 raffael3 2298 20-4-13 3+2 2025-08-20
7 box_boxed 2237 12-0-0 3+2 2025-09-29
8 richardkiss 2187 79-8-50 10+3 2025-09-21
9 GDX 2156 15-2-5 10+0 2025-08-14
10 BrighterDay 2154 16-3-15 5+5 2025-09-23

QR usually win at 3+2 but not always and time is sometime not enough for me.

1 uriblass 2531 30-1-8 3+2 2025-09-25
2 Krausevich 2519 59-6-31 1+2 2025-09-27
3 leelafamilyfriendly 2281 47-0-31 10+3 2025-05-09
4 Hissha 2255 12-1-7 3+0 2025-09-28
5 rogbingo 2252 159-13-182 10+5 2025-09-28
6 elsiekay 2249 11-4-5 3+0 2025-09-14
7 barnellolello 2234 12-1-1 3+0 2025-07-23
8 box_boxed 2228 12-0-3 3+2 2025-09-29
9 O0il 2220 11-1-3 3+0 2025-06-19
10 AlwaysSucking 2210 56-12-84 5+3 2025-09-28

BBNN
1 fischer114514 2829 91-15-23 1+3 2025-07-24
2 CutBattleship 2781 81-18-83 1+1 2025-09-06
3 mestre27 2627 69-14-24 3+0 2025-05-04
4 uriblass 2401 17-1-1 3+2 2025-09-28
5 meeeep 2384 25-2-7 10+0 2025-05-12
6 Zyfaux 2359 21-15-9 6+0 2025-09-25
7 Krausevich 2357 22-2-7 1+1 2025-09-24
8 daryazorina 2328 23-5-6 8+4 2025-09-24
9 chess_dffeer 2323 28-2-5 15+10 2025-05-19
10 Traag 2316 52-10-30 5+10 2025-09-21

It is easier to win relative to QR odds.

QN
1 fischer114514 2507 73-13-22 5+3 2025-09-16
2 mestre27 2473 53-1-4 10+0 2025-08-30
3 LQObuster 2428 88-7-45 3+2 2025-08-09
4 CutBattleship 2393 47-24-213 1+1 2025-09-06
5 raffael3 2362 35-17-34 3+2 2025-09-14
6 o4epegHou 2316 29-7-27 5+3 2025-09-26
7 uriblass 2310 15-0-3 5+3 2025-09-29
8 oded789 2300 14-2-5 3+2 2025-09-27
9 Krausevich 2299 25-7-17 1+2 2025-08-28
10 rogbingo 2278 483-69-496 10+1 2025-09-29

RBB

Rank Player Elo W-D-L Median Time Control Last Game
1 daryazorina 2475 97-7-21 8+4 2025-09-23
2 Krausevich 2435 66-19-68 1+2 2025-09-24
3 mestre27 2312 43-5-11 10+0 2025-08-30
4 raffael3 2312 22-2-10 3+2 2025-08-16
5 uriblass 2182 11-0-2 5+3 2025-09-25
6 VishyNo1 2160 11-0-10 3+2 2025-06-10
7 leelafamilyfriendly 2073 14-0-2 10+3 2025-05-10
8 Anuran2007 2054 6-2-1 3+0 2025-05-17
9 Tadano_4545itohito 2032 14-5-66 3+2 2025-08-26
10 machineplayer9 2026 12-0-2 12+3 2025-09-06

RNN
1 uriblass 2341 20-4-8 8+4 2025-09-29
2 Krausevich 2321 45-16-75 1+2 2025-09-25
3 fischer114514 2254 23-12-21 5+3 2025-08-08
4 cmdbreivik 2228 12-4-6 5+0 2025-09-29
5 mestre27 2116 15-1-2 10+0 2025-08-30
6 daryazorina 2110 15-4-17 8+4 2025-09-22
7 kunalm2021 2045 20-2-19 15+5 2025-09-12
8 chess_dffeer 2026 13-4-18 15+10 2025-05-14
9 machineplayer9 2013 11-2-3 12+3 2025-09-11
10 ecn5381 2012 8-3-21 5+10 2025-09-27

Note that I often feel lucky because Leela has a dangerous attack and at time trouble I play moves that I am not sure they save me but finally I win the game.
started with 5+3 but found that I am at risk of going lower than 50% so switched to 10+5 and after some games decided to use 8+4 that was enough to win.

BBN
1 gambitnobueno 2254 26-5-34 5+3 2025-05-08
2 Meister_Eder_03 2183 10-4-8 3+2 2025-09-28
3 daryazorina 2172 52-10-77 8+4 2025-09-28
4 fischer114514 2146 9-8-6 5+3 2025-08-13
5 kunalm2021 2134 28-7-20 15+5 2025-09-22
6 Vitoriung 2123 53-7-36 15+14 2025-09-26
7 Krausevich 2107 14-9-23 1+1 2025-09-27
8 Schach555 2081 14-3-4 15+10 2025-08-10
9 elsiekay 2079 7-2-14 3+0 2025-09-15
10 uriblass 1985 5-1-1 10+5 2025-09-29

RR
1 parfumer1 2268 12-5-6 3+2 2025-09-27
2 mestre27 2057 31-6-36 30+0 2025-08-24
3 nauthnim 2045 8-0-21 5+2 2025-03-31
4 EdvinVanDerCleef 2044 14-15-78 5+3 2025-08-05
5 angel_neo 2043 22-6-66 10+0 2025-08-25
6 Olaprelikov 2020 7-1-10 10+5 2025-07-22
7 Primside 2013 6-0-20 3+0 2025-04-10
8 Meister_Eder_03 2008 5-2-2 3+2 2025-09-27
9 romario19860503 2007 7-5-11 10+15 2025-09-20
10 uriblass 1989 5-1-1 10+5 2025-09-29
RN

1 sayswhere 2078 9-2-9 10+0 2025-08-23
2 Iron_jack 2012 6-0-2 10+5 2025-09-04
3 gambitnobueno 1996 9-1-27 5+3 2025-05-10
4 Caissaan 1992 5-0-0 3+2 2025-05-19
5 Meister_Eder_03 1958 5-6-27 3+2 2025-09-29
6 sardnam 1927 3-2-5 6+0 2025-05-14
7 Weimarraner 1918 3-4-10 5+3 2025-07-15
8 GrandaddyViolet 1911 3-1-3 10+5 2025-05-11
9 Gryphos1 1896 2-10-30 3+3 2025-05-13
10 trenirovka221 1878 2-1-2 10+5 2025-09-27
13 uriblass 1873 3-0-2 30+30 2025-09-28
Still did not try the BB and NN bots

[Father]

1)QRR most of the games I won are 1+2 hut probably I can win also with 2+0 (did not try a lot of 2+0 games and in any case I will need hundrends of games to have a chance to be at the top of the leaderboard.
top 10
1 RhinoTank 3337 298-8-16 1+0 2025-07-06
2 fischer114514 3051 340-39-31 2+1 2025-08-06
3 mestre27 3021 125-14-11 1+0 2025-09-04
4 uriblass 2856 63-1-0 1+2 2025-09-28
5 Hissha 2781 37-2-3 2+0 2025-09-27
6 Brunetticus 2746 78-0-10 1+1 2025-09-28
7 Lucario6607 2731 54-10-18 1+1 2025-09-29
8 Isak2011 2672 48-10-12 3+0 2025-06-15
9 Badudylek 2580 26-5-7 1+0 2025-08-22
10 elsiekay 2573 28-5-29 1+0 2025-09-25
2)QRN usually win at 3+0 but not always

switched from 2+2 to 3+0
top 10
1 uriblass 2838 65-4-3 3+0 2025-09-28
2 Hissha 2827 60-1-3 3+0 2025-09-28
3 elsiekay 2603 34-14-83 1+0 2025-09-13
4 StockIsFishyBread17 2381 32-5-8 6+0 2025-08-30
5 richardkiss 2345 70-8-18 15+3 2025-09-29
6 box_boxed 2328 15-1-1 3+2 2025-09-29
7 naughty_jm 2294 19-5-9 3+2 2025-09-19
8 GDX 2291 21-1-7 10+0 2025-08-18
9 Brunetticus 2272 14-0-0 6+1 2025-09-13
10 InactiveGamer 2221 12-1-7 1+0 2025-05-27

QBB
also here changed time control from 2+1 to 3+0 and found it is easier when the opponent has no pair of bishops

1 uriblass 2801 49-1-0 3+0 2025-09-27
2 Hissha 2716 35-4-1 3+0 2025-09-28
3 mestre27 2530 26-4-8 1+0 2025-09-04
4 StockIsFishyBread17 2501 75-23-93 6+0 2025-08-27
5 Krausevich 2414 23-1-2 1+2 2025-08-27
6 Zyfaux 2338 24-2-8 8+0 2025-09-28
7 richardkiss 2310 66-8-14 15+3 2025-09-22
8 box_boxed 2274 13-1-0 3+2 2025-09-29
9 claar 2221 60-13-32 13+15 2025-09-29
10 GDX 2184 17-2-7 8+3 2025-08-19

QNN
also usually win at 3+0 but not always.
Started with 15-0 results at 2+2 and later switched to 3+0 and had some draws and losses.

1 uriblass 2669 34-2-3 3+0 2025-09-28
2 Krausevich 2666 85-13-17 1+2 2025-09-26
3 Hissha 2563 22-1-1 3+0 2025-09-28
4 mestre27 2538 30-2-11 1+0 2025-09-04
5 Brunetticus 2500 40-2-1 8+3 2025-09-13
6 raffael3 2298 20-4-13 3+2 2025-08-20
7 box_boxed 2237 12-0-0 3+2 2025-09-29
8 richardkiss 2187 79-8-50 10+3 2025-09-21
9 GDX 2156 15-2-5 10+0 2025-08-14
10 BrighterDay 2154 16-3-15 5+5 2025-09-23

QR usually win at 3+2 but not always and time is sometime not enough for me.

1 uriblass 2531 30-1-8 3+2 2025-09-25
2 Krausevich 2519 59-6-31 1+2 2025-09-27
3 leelafamilyfriendly 2281 47-0-31 10+3 2025-05-09
4 Hissha 2255 12-1-7 3+0 2025-09-28
5 rogbingo 2252 159-13-182 10+5 2025-09-28
6 elsiekay 2249 11-4-5 3+0 2025-09-14
7 barnellolello 2234 12-1-1 3+0 2025-07-23
8 box_boxed 2228 12-0-3 3+2 2025-09-29
9 O0il 2220 11-1-3 3+0 2025-06-19
10 AlwaysSucking 2210 56-12-84 5+3 2025-09-28

BBNN
1 fischer114514 2829 91-15-23 1+3 2025-07-24
2 CutBattleship 2781 81-18-83 1+1 2025-09-06
3 mestre27 2627 69-14-24 3+0 2025-05-04
4 uriblass 2401 17-1-1 3+2 2025-09-28
5 meeeep 2384 25-2-7 10+0 2025-05-12
6 Zyfaux 2359 21-15-9 6+0 2025-09-25
7 Krausevich 2357 22-2-7 1+1 2025-09-24
8 daryazorina 2328 23-5-6 8+4 2025-09-24
9 chess_dffeer 2323 28-2-5 15+10 2025-05-19
10 Traag 2316 52-10-30 5+10 2025-09-21

It is easier to win relative to QR odds.

QN
1 fischer114514 2507 73-13-22 5+3 2025-09-16
2 mestre27 2473 53-1-4 10+0 2025-08-30
3 LQObuster 2428 88-7-45 3+2 2025-08-09
4 CutBattleship 2393 47-24-213 1+1 2025-09-06
5 raffael3 2362 35-17-34 3+2 2025-09-14
6 o4epegHou 2316 29-7-27 5+3 2025-09-26
7 uriblass 2310 15-0-3 5+3 2025-09-29
8 oded789 2300 14-2-5 3+2 2025-09-27
9 Krausevich 2299 25-7-17 1+2 2025-08-28
10 rogbingo 2278 483-69-496 10+1 2025-09-29

RBB

Rank Player Elo W-D-L Median Time Control Last Game
1 daryazorina 2475 97-7-21 8+4 2025-09-23
2 Krausevich 2435 66-19-68 1+2 2025-09-24
3 mestre27 2312 43-5-11 10+0 2025-08-30
4 raffael3 2312 22-2-10 3+2 2025-08-16
5 uriblass 2182 11-0-2 5+3 2025-09-25
6 VishyNo1 2160 11-0-10 3+2 2025-06-10
7 leelafamilyfriendly 2073 14-0-2 10+3 2025-05-10
8 Anuran2007 2054 6-2-1 3+0 2025-05-17
9 Tadano_4545itohito 2032 14-5-66 3+2 2025-08-26
10 machineplayer9 2026 12-0-2 12+3 2025-09-06

RNN
1 uriblass 2341 20-4-8 8+4 2025-09-29
2 Krausevich 2321 45-16-75 1+2 2025-09-25
3 fischer114514 2254 23-12-21 5+3 2025-08-08
4 cmdbreivik 2228 12-4-6 5+0 2025-09-29
5 mestre27 2116 15-1-2 10+0 2025-08-30
6 daryazorina 2110 15-4-17 8+4 2025-09-22
7 kunalm2021 2045 20-2-19 15+5 2025-09-12
8 chess_dffeer 2026 13-4-18 15+10 2025-05-14
9 machineplayer9 2013 11-2-3 12+3 2025-09-11
10 ecn5381 2012 8-3-21 5+10 2025-09-27

Note that I often feel lucky because Leela has a dangerous attack and at time trouble I play moves that I am not sure they save me but finally I win the game.
started with 5+3 but found that I am at risk of going lower than 50% so switched to 10+5 and after some games decided to use 8+4 that was enough to win.

BBN
1 gambitnobueno 2254 26-5-34 5+3 2025-05-08
2 Meister_Eder_03 2183 10-4-8 3+2 2025-09-28
3 daryazorina 2172 52-10-77 8+4 2025-09-28
4 fischer114514 2146 9-8-6 5+3 2025-08-13
5 kunalm2021 2134 28-7-20 15+5 2025-09-22
6 Vitoriung 2123 53-7-36 15+14 2025-09-26
7 Krausevich 2107 14-9-23 1+1 2025-09-27
8 Schach555 2081 14-3-4 15+10 2025-08-10
9 elsiekay 2079 7-2-14 3+0 2025-09-15
10 uriblass 1985 5-1-1 10+5 2025-09-29

RR
1 parfumer1 2268 12-5-6 3+2 2025-09-27
2 mestre27 2057 31-6-36 30+0 2025-08-24
3 nauthnim 2045 8-0-21 5+2 2025-03-31
4 EdvinVanDerCleef 2044 14-15-78 5+3 2025-08-05
5 angel_neo 2043 22-6-66 10+0 2025-08-25
6 Olaprelikov 2020 7-1-10 10+5 2025-07-22
7 Primside 2013 6-0-20 3+0 2025-04-10
8 Meister_Eder_03 2008 5-2-2 3+2 2025-09-27
9 romario19860503 2007 7-5-11 10+15 2025-09-20
10 uriblass 1989 5-1-1 10+5 2025-09-29
RN

1 sayswhere 2078 9-2-9 10+0 2025-08-23
2 Iron_jack 2012 6-0-2 10+5 2025-09-04
3 gambitnobueno 1996 9-1-27 5+3 2025-05-10
4 Caissaan 1992 5-0-0 3+2 2025-05-19
5 Meister_Eder_03 1958 5-6-27 3+2 2025-09-29
6 sardnam 1927 3-2-5 6+0 2025-05-14
7 Weimarraner 1918 3-4-10 5+3 2025-07-15
8 GrandaddyViolet 1911 3-1-3 10+5 2025-05-11
9 Gryphos1 1896 2-10-30 3+3 2025-05-13
10 trenirovka221 1878 2-1-2 10+5 2025-09-27
13 uriblass 1873 3-0-2 30+30 2025-09-28
Still did not try the BB and NN bots

[Uri Blass]

now I am top 10 in all the tables except BB and NN that I did not try.

Here is my last win

[pgn][Event "casual classical game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/fKKf5TZB"]
[Date "2025.10.02"]
[White "LeelaPieceOdds"]
[Black "uriblass"]
[Result "0-1"]
[GameId "fKKf5TZB"]
[UTCDate "2025.10.02"]
[UTCTime "18:23:20"]
[WhiteElo "2053"]
[BlackElo "2127"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "1800+30"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKB1R w Kkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e3 e5 2. c4 Nf6 3. g4 h6 4. Nc3 d5 5. cxd5 Nxd5 6. Bg2 Nxc3 7. bxc3 c5 8. d4 cxd4 9. cxd4 exd4 10. O-O Bd6 11. Qxd4 Bxh2+ 12. Kxh2 Qxd4 13. exd4 O-O 14. Bf4 Nc6 15. d5 Nd4 16. Rb1 Bxg4 17. Rb4 Bf3 18. Rxd4 Bxg2 19. Kxg2 Rfd8 20. Bc7 Rd7 21. d6 Rc8 22. Ra4 a6 23. Rb4 Rcxc7 24. dxc7 Rxc7 25. a4 f5 26. Rb6 Rc4 27. a5 Rc5 28. Rxb7 Rxa5 29. Kg3 Ra4 30. Rc7 Kh7 31. Rc5 Kg6 32. Rc7 a5 33. Rc6+ Kh5 34. Rc5 Kg5 35. f4+ Rxf4 36. Rxa5 g6 37. Ra6 h5 38. Kh3 Rf3+ 39. Kh2 f4 40. Kg1 Rg3+ 41. Kh1 Kf5 42. Ra5+ Kg4 43. Ra1 g5 44. Rb1 h4 45. Rb2 f3 46. Rb4+ Kh5 47. Rb5 f2 48. Rf5 Rg1+ 49. Kh2 f1=R 50. Rb5 Rh1+ 51. Kg2 Rfg1+ 52. Kf2 h3 53. Kf3 h2 54. Rb8 g4+ 55. Kf2 g3+ 56. Kf3 g2 57. Kg3 Kg5 58. Kh3 Kf6 59. Rb6+ Ke5 60. Rb5+ Kd6 61. Rb6+ Kc5 62. Rb8 Kc6 63. Rc8+ Kd7 64. Rc4 Rc1 65. Rd4+ Kc6 66. Kxg2 Rhd1 67. Rxd1 Rxd1 68. Kxh2 Kd5 69. Kg3 Ke4 70. Kf2 Rd2+ 71. Kg3 Re2 72. Kg4 Rg2+ 73. Kh3 Kf3 74. Kh4 Kf4 75. Kh5 Rg4 76. Kh6 Rg5 77. Kh7 Kf5 78. Kh6 Kf6 79. Kh7 Rg6 80. Kh8 Kf7 81. Kh7 Rf6 82. Kh8 Rh6# { Black wins by checkmate. } 0-1
[/pgn]

I do not understand why the bot allowed me to trade knights by 6...Nxc3
I won by sacrifices for simplifications.

Frst sacrifice is 10...Bd6 instead of 10...dxe3 when maybe better for the bot was practically exd4 and I thought it may play this move but my pieces are more active relative to 10...dxe3

I already plamned the option Bxh2+ against Qxd4 when I played Bd6.

Second sacrifice is 11...Bxh2+ when I was ready to sacrifice a piece for a pawn to trade queens.

Third sacrifice is 17,,,Bf3 when I was ready to sacrifice a piece for trading the bishop g2 and if white does not accept then the white bishop is out of the long good diagonal.

4th sacrifice is 23...Rcxc7 when I force sacrificing exchange for a pawn to get relatively simple winning endgame when I am 3 pawns up.

Note that in a practical games against humans even if I am a pawn up I usually need to calculate how to win without sacrifices so I do not think there are big benefits of traning with big odds against lc0 for real games.

[Uri Blass]

summary of my results in the leaderboard
I am leading in 6 tavlkes and by a small margin in most of them but I certainly can increase my rating by playing more games.

QRR
4 uriblass 2911 74-1-0 1+2 2025-10-02
5 Hissha 2896 59-2-4 2+0 2025-10-02

QRN

1 uriblass 2862 75-4-4 3+0 2025-10-02
2 Hissha 2857 67-1-3 3+0 2025-10-02

QBB

1 uriblass 2815 52-1-0 3+0 2025-10-02
2 Hissha 2810 52-5-1 3+0 2025-10-02

QNN

1 uriblass 2701 40-4-4 3+0 2025-10-02
2 Krausevich 2671 86-13-17 1+2 2025-10-01
3 Hissha 2664 29-1-2 3+0 2025-10-02

QR

1 uriblass 2529 30-1-8 3+2 2025-09-25
2 Krausevich 2527 60-7-31 1+2 2025-10-02

BBNN

4 uriblass 2426 18-1-1 3+2 2025-10-01

QN

1 uriblass 2518 37-3-8 5+3 2025-10-02
2 fischer114514 2511 79-14-25 5+3 2025-10-01

RBB

5 uriblass 2216 12-0-2 5+3 2025-10-02

RNN

1 uriblass 2400 34-7-12 8+4 2025-10-01
2 Krausevich 2340 47-17-77 1+2 2025-10-02

BBN

10 uriblass 2026 6-2-1 10+5 2025-10-02

RR
1 parfumer1 2262 12-5-6 3+2 2025-09-27
2 mestre27 2056 31-6-36 30+0 2025-08-24
3 uriblass 2055 7-1-1 10+5 2025-10-02

RN

9 uriblass 1902 4-0-2 30+30 2025-10-02