Chess System Tal 3 released

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Chess System Tal 3 released

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Version 3 final released and frozen.
Now working on ChessSystemTal4.
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Re: Chess System Tal 3 released

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Thanks Chris. Keep up the good work.
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Re: Chess System Tal 3 released

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chrisw wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2026 10:04 am Version 3 final released and frozen.
Now working on ChessSystemTal4.
https://whittingtonchess.com/
Looking forward to testing it. Thanks. :)
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Chris, can you tell us estimated Elo difference, between now and previous versions?
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Re: Chess System Tal 3 released

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Where is the hash size in the parameters? Using Fritz 21 it never saves the parameters (a pet peeve of mine) of any engine you use. I have to always load parameters as it automatically takes all my RAM for the program.
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Re: Chess System Tal 3 released

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reflectionofpower wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2026 4:26 pm Where is the hash size in the parameters? Using Fritz 21 it never saves the parameters (a pet peeve of mine) of any engine you use. I have to always load parameters as it automatically takes all my RAM for the program.
Fritz 21 - On the Engine Management screen click 'apply' to each engine you change paramteres, then click 'okay' last. This will save your parameters (This works for me).
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Re: Chess System Tal 3 released

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In Shredder GUI it simply uses the Hash table size that you set in the parameters of the GUI. So if the previous engine used 1024 MB, that is also what the GUI sets for Tal. Surely it is something possible with Chesbase too :?: (See the above reply from Jason that is more helpful than mine)

Anyway, I think there are parameters aplenty A plethora of parameters :o I hope they actually work. All the questions about them will be ignored maybe unless somebody tests some of them And how do you test that :mrgreen:

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Re: Chess System Tal 3 released

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Thanks for the new version!

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# Name                    Points     %     Elo    +/-   W-L-D         1     2     
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 Dragon3.3               292.5/500  58.5  +59.6  20.2  +153-68=279         58.5% 
2 Chess-System-Tal-3.00   207.5/500  41.5     --    --  +68-153=279   41.5%       

500/500 games, 56% draws, time control:180+1, book:UHO_2024_6mvs_+085_+094.pgn
Strange enough, Windows Defender killed the binary after 471 games, so the 500 weren't fully reached here:
:)

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1   Chess-System-Tal-3.00         +81  +153/=273/-45 61.46%  289.5/471
2   Chess System Tal 2.07 E1019   -81  +45/=273/-153 38.54%  181.5/471
With EloStat +-20 too,
BTW writing in this forum is just a pain in the ... once in a while again, had to login several times and each second one time, password isn't accepted, regards
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Re: Chess System Tal 3 released

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cc2150dx wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2026 5:16 pm
reflectionofpower wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2026 4:26 pm Where is the hash size in the parameters? Using Fritz 21 it never saves the parameters (a pet peeve of mine) of any engine you use. I have to always load parameters as it automatically takes all my RAM for the program.
Fritz 21 - On the Engine Management screen click 'apply' to each engine you change paramteres, then click 'okay' last. This will save your parameters (This works for me).

I can save my parameters for each engine but I still have to load it manually using the saved config file. The CST 3 does not have a hash size adjustment? When I shutdown the program I have to the same thing over again.
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Re: Chess System Tal 3 released

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cc2150dx wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2026 5:16 pm
reflectionofpower wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2026 4:26 pm Where is the hash size in the parameters? Using Fritz 21 it never saves the parameters (a pet peeve of mine) of any engine you use. I have to always load parameters as it automatically takes all my RAM for the program.
Fritz 21 - On the Engine Management screen click 'apply' to each engine you change paramteres, then click 'okay' last. This will save your parameters (This works for me).

I can save my parameters for each engine but I still have to load it manually using the saved config file. The CST 3 does not have a hash size adjustment? When I shutdown the program I have to do the same thing over again.
"Without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken." (Dune - 1984)

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