Strelka will be open-source?

[Rolf]

And yet it's a goose and not a duck.

How do you know it's a goose?
It could also be a specially cultured Connemara Highland duck!

In this case I have done the dissection (read: 'they sent me the source code'). There may be a duck feather stuck to it here and there, but with this bird we can make pate de fois gras.

For reasons I am forbidden to mention here in CCC (by moderation order that forbeid me to mention the topic of ethics, ethics is for CTF but NOT computerchess! sic!) I think that Bryan did a much more mature job than you. A judge should NEVER make jokes on the back of falsely accused collegues! Period.

[Kaj Soderberg]

Hey guys, maybe it is time to cool down a bit. This leads to nothing. I do agree with Christophe that the author could or should speak for himself, and maybe just tell us that his engine will kick ass within the next 12 to 18 months or so in order to shut us up. Or he could just discuss his creation with us. On the other hand, making another guy ridiculous is not very chique. Christophe has had quite a portion of uncivilized stuff poured at him through the years, so that may stop, and he should know better. And truly, vulnerable personalities really do exist. So would it please be possible, regardless of who, to criticize in a civilized manner?

Best regards,

Kaj

[Tony Thomas]

You're behaving like a horrible person. The first to start this unjustified accusation against Strelka of cloning, and yet after it has been proven that it was not a clone you have chosen not to apologise, and instead you continue your personal attacks against the engine's author.

Leto, anyone hates a good competition, dont you think?

[Sergei Markoff]

We would miss him so-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o much.

I'm not sure that Yury's English is enough to participate this forum. if no, he is really a lucky man because he can't read such stupid teases like yours.

And also, don't forget, Cristophe, the envy is not really good thing.

[tiger]

I believe it was Dr. Hyatt who said (paraphrasing here...):
In order to successfully post to the internet, it is first necessary to grow a two inch thick skin.

That's exactly what I had in mind, Dann.


// Christophe

[tiger]

We would miss him so-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o much.

I'm not sure that Yury's English is enough to participate this forum. if no, he is really a lucky man because he can't read such stupid teases like yours.

And also, don't forget, Cristophe, the envy is not really good thing.

What envy?

Can you translate this and send it to the author of Strelka:

"If you do not have the balls, do not enter this game.

That being said, I hope you will not quit and that we will have the pleasure to meet you and discuss computer chess ideas together."

And one last thing: the best you can do for this guy is NOT play the middleman. If he can write some english, better for him is to discuss with us directly. If not, he should find someone else, because your emotional bias is not going to help him at all. That's what I was trying to say in a humoristic way in my previous post.


// Christophe

[tiger]

There is an interesting interview with Osipov in Russian

It was already been here. Please keep in view that this interview was given prior to the "big cloning flame".

"What about to open my code to all I want to do it. And probably I will do it. Although I don't want to hurry with it and first consider all consequences of it."

Finally I was involved as expert to confirm that Strelka is not a clone. It was after finishing of this interview. After my announcement that Strelka is not a clone, a lot of people in community stated that they don't trust both me and Osipov. After big flame in this forum and also at kasparovchess Osipov was really depressed. I offered him to show his sources to western experts. He said: "you can do with my sources everything what you want. I don't have a desire to continue my work". Also he said that he already have such a negative expirience with a people comminity and it looks that this is a repetition of this annoying thing.
I tried to change his mind about this story. We will meet again at this week to discuss a further work. I hope everything will be ok and he will continue his work, but you must keep in view that a lot of things was changed since that interview.

Poor pussycat.

Now that you seem to put yourself in the position of psychological coaching him, maybe you should prepare him to the reality of computer chess?

I mean, you know there are people out there who have written programs that could actually beat his, you know. Wow, that hurts!

And yet this is nothing compared to the brutality of the chess forums.

I hope this will not depress him too much and exhaust his interest in alpha-beta.

We would miss him so-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o much.

But thank god you are here to protect him from the outside world, as he seems to be too weak at this time to post here directly. Don't forget to keep an eye on his perfusion.


// Christophe

You're behaving like a horrible person. The first to start this unjustified accusation against Strelka of cloning, and yet after it has been proven that it was not a clone you have chosen not to apologise, and instead you continue your personal attacks against the engine's author.

Are you actually saying that I was the first person to accuse Strelka of being a clone?

Can you please quote ANY post of mine were I have made such an accusation?

Leto, this is going to cost you an apology, and next time you will check your facts.


// Christophe

[fern]

Cristophe:
From a friend to another, I believe you has been unnecesarily rude with this person. Not just a puzzycat, but any normal human being feel badly if he gest a shower of acusations. Don' t you?
OK: some feel bad AND answer with the same coin.
Some other, nevertheless, has not that killer instinct.
Some others, like me, has the standard Internet two inches of skin, so I can bear anything, even if you make of me also a target of a post. But do not:
I can also answer with my own broadsides.
But this guy is not so and deserve some respect.
We have became, all here, a bunch of really nasty bastards.
Au bientöt
Ferdinan

[Marc Lacrosse]

Please do take into account how much frustrating can be the fact that you do not master the english language for defending yourself...

Even with a thick skin, this is really horrible.

You can not even imagine how often I thought I should immediately react to some post ...

... and then I just realised that I simply was not able to tell what I meant in english ...

Marc

[tiger]

Hey guys, maybe it is time to cool down a bit. This leads to nothing. I do agree with Christophe that the author could or should speak for himself, and maybe just tell us that his engine will kick ass within the next 12 to 18 months or so in order to shut us up. Or he could just discuss his creation with us. On the other hand, making another guy ridiculous is not very chique. Christophe has had quite a portion of uncivilized stuff poured at him through the years, so that may stop, and he should know better. And truly, vulnerable personalities really do exist. So would it please be possible, regardless of who, to criticize in a civilized manner?

Best regards,

Kaj

Computer chess is not compatible with "truly vulnerable personalities".

I suggest that if it is the case, then in his own interest he should find another hobby.

If not, then the only thing that counts is how strong his program is. All the rest will be forgotten, including wrong accusations and how strong they have been expressed.


// Christophe