Ifrid??

[Jim Ablett]

Anyway,it's not nice to label all the russian programmers as pirates and thieves,they are also talanted and well educated like all the people in the rest of the world....

I'm getting warning signals. There's a link to 'Immortal223' on the homepage - a known distributor of cracked commercial engines. I think Peter Skinner got his last site closed down.

Jim.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Anyway,it's not nice to label all the russian programmers as pirates and thieves,they are also talanted and well educated like all the people in the rest of the world....

I'm getting warning signals. There's a link to 'Immortal223' on the homepage - a known distributor of cracked commercial engines. I think Peter Skinner got his last site closed down.

Jim.

I didn't notice the link honestly....

[GenoM]

Anyway,it's not nice to label all the russian programmers as pirates and thieves,they are also talanted and well educated like all the people in the rest of the world....

I'm getting warning signals. There's a link to 'Immortal223' on the homepage - a known distributor of cracked commercial engines. I think Peter Skinner got his last site closed down.

Jim.

The places you've been visited can not make a criminal of you. Agree? Only your actions can. Agree?
The link is to the part of a forum dedicated to chess programming -- not dedicated to cracking programs but to chess programming.

[Tony Thomas]

Anyway,it's not nice to label all the russian programmers as pirates and thieves,they are also talanted and well educated like all the people in the rest of the world....

I'm getting warning signals. There's a link to 'Immortal223' on the homepage - a known distributor of cracked commercial engines. I think Peter Skinner got his last site closed down.

Jim.

The places you've been visited can not make a criminal of you. Agree? Only your actions can. Agree?
The link is to the part of a forum dedicated to chess programming -- not dedicated to cracking programs but to chess programming.

The reason I asked the question is because I do not understand Russian. We all know how the story of trying to translate Russian using Babel Fish goes.. I also saw the links to Immortal, and few other shady sites. Also, when I load the engine as a UCI engine, it says Ifrit by Chess Terminator, and not Ifrit by Andrei. For me those are all warning signs. I used the name Ifrid on the title, because that's the name I saw at WBEC, and I thought Leo had some insider info.

[Jim Ablett]

The link is to the part of a forum dedicated to chess programming -- not dedicated to cracking programs but to chess programming.

The Immortal link takes you to a site full of illegal cracked commercial engine downloads.

Jim.

[Tony Thomas]

Anyway,it's not nice to label all the russian programmers as pirates and thieves,they are also talanted and well educated like all the people in the rest of the world....

I'm getting warning signals. There's a link to 'Immortal223' on the homepage - a known distributor of cracked commercial engines. I think Peter Skinner got his last site closed down.

Jim.

The places you've been visited can not make a criminal of you. Agree? Only your actions can. Agree?
The link is to the part of a forum dedicated to chess programming -- not dedicated to cracking programs but to chess programming.

Geno, to me you are starting to look like a cloner sympathizer or even worse someone who advocates piracy. I do hope that I am mistaken. I do see your point about strelka and agree with you about most of the issues. However, I do not think you have to defend all these guys who put links to cloner sites on their website. You dont have to ruin your image to support them, just because they are Russian.

[Tony Thomas]

The link is to the part of a forum dedicated to chess programming -- not dedicated to cracking programs but to chess programming.

The Immortal link takes you to a site full of illegal cracked commercial engine downloads.

Jim.

I didnt even bother clicking on the link after I saw the name Immortal. There are only few computer chess addicts, the number of pirates is even smaller. I should know better right, after all I am supposed to Jonas Conas or something.

Here is the reason why I didnt use the translator.

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Tuesday, on 19 June, 2007.
It made so that the king not only would not walk hearth Shah, but also did not chop hearth Shah with this we we exclude the cases, when the king driven in to the angle chopped the protected attacking figure, as a result cursor considered that was placed the mat, but since cannot be chopped hearth Shah, then this was stalemate. Further it is necessary to make variable length of version, and that with the mat appears incorrect tail. ______________________________________________________________________________________________
Medium, on 20 June, 2007.
In one specific position at depth 6 rn2kb1r/p3pppp/2pq1n2/8/Np1P3N/8/PPQ1BPPP/R1B1R1K1 b kq - 0 11 ifrit it discards queen "after simply so". I think, the matter in the version that there it glyuchit, and can also in the sorting. On the whole, until this is secret for me, I fight 4 with this as true shaman I introduce cout.flush(); before the sorting you look the code:)) It is further still more interesting - it ceased to print depth, Glucks disappeared, it began to print - again they appeared! It removed the pair of excess massifs and, like, Glucks thus far disappeared. Apparently, entire matter in the overcrowding of stack. Here it we further will study. Stack, of course, will not be overfilled tightly, otherwise it would come out critical error, but, apparently, already it laps near the

[GenoM]

Geno, to me you are starting to look like a cloner sympathizer or even worse someone who advocates piracy. I do hope that I am mistaken. I do see your point about strelka and agree with you about most of the issues. However, I do not think you have to defend all these guys who put links to cloner sites on their website. You dont have to ruin your image to support them, just because they are Russian.

Hi Tony. Whom I'm giving my support to? To a chess programming dedicated guy who put link to web-forums when he wrote about chess programming. What's wrong about it? The wrong place? There is an old proverb saying that even in hell an angel can stay like he's in heaven.
"Cloner sympathizer"? Come on, Tony. Clones and cloners are boring, they can not have even my interrest not talking about sympathy. I'm not interresting in testing clones no matter how strong they are -- Rockets, Kingzillas, Peters and so on. Why testing something that have nothing original in itself and is only an exact copy of something else? This is a senseless and useless occupation and I wouldn't waste my time with testing such things or supporting their anonimous authors.
But I am firmly against that an author will be named as a cloner without sufficient evidence. Here, in CCC, we even have not reached a common definition for a clone-- but we like to name someone a cloner. If this poor one is from Russia or from behind ex-iron curtain it's even better and easier to qualify him such way. We all feel better after this. We feel as we're standing for the good side and we fight the evil. Our friend here Christopher Clone-Buster is a bright example for such a behaviour. But let's stop here.

PS: about that I may be advocating piracy ... what a huge topic, but I have not any intention or will to discuss it here in public. My command of English is weak to clear up my point and your knowledge about the situation here is poor, so the probability of that we wouldn't understand each other is too high for me to try such a thing.
For now, of course

[Tony Thomas]

You still havent answered my questions. Why would someone put the string, Ifrit by Chess Terminator in their program? Instead of using their real name? I guess I will leave it to the experts to decide if it is doing something illegal. For now, I wont be wasting my time on that engine. There are already enough engines from Russia and surrounding countries that are worth my time, currently Ifrit doesnt make it to my list. It would have been better to have Chris Conkie here, as would have figured out if it was yet another, Mutha.

[Kirill Kryukov]

You still havent answered my questions. Why would someone put the string, Ifrit by Chess Terminator in their program? Instead of using their real name? I guess I will leave it to the experts to decide if it is doing something illegal. For now, I wont be wasting my time on that engine. There are already enough engines from Russia and surrounding countries that are worth my time, currently Ifrit doesnt make it to my list. It would have been better to have Chris Conkie here, as would have figured out if it was yet another, Mutha.

Hi Tony. My guess is that "Chess Terminator" is his nickname, and that he thinks it is cool and is prowd of it. So what?

Will you refuse to watch John Wayne movies, read Mark Twain novels, or listen to Elton John music because they were not given those names at birth?

Best,
Kirill