shame on toga authors

[Stan Arts]

Posts like these are only an insult to the hundreds of authors of original work, it's not like there aren't other strong engines for you to play with besides toga/strelka&co.

It just shows a complete lack of character/lack of spine from you and other "supporters".

Damnit again I clicked on CCC this morning to see what's going on, I really should stop that.

Stan

[Rolf]

Posts like these are only an insult to the hundreds of authors of original work, it's not like there aren't other strong engines for you to play with besides toga/strelka&co.

It just shows a complete lack of character/lack of spine from you and other "supporters".

Damnit again I clicked on CCC this morning to see what's going on, I really should stop that.

Stan

No, please continue to oppose such a choice to make computerchess better again also out of respect for the many authentic creators who resist the temptation to just take a seat in another one's building. (Yes, I know that all work with water, nails and cement.) And then being in the news worldwide, it takes character to resist such prospects.

So, hereby I want to show my respect to all the almost unknown decent guys in the field.

[Ovyron]

(Please note that I applied the Chekov settings to the original Denis Mendoza's compile, and that it seemed to make a noticeable difference.)

I don't know if you already have Glaurung in your arsenal?

I have just finished testing Bright 0.2c and Glaurung is next on my list

And yes, Alaric was a great surprise!, it's great to have many interesting freeware engines around.

[Eelco de Groot]

(Please note that I applied the Chekov settings to the original Denis Mendoza's compile, and that it seemed to make a noticeable difference.)

Hi Ulysses yes, I know but I am not quite sure if you mean if you also think it is stronger than Denis compile of my changed 'Toga Checkov' sources? I know just the settings seemed to work very well also in the compiled version that Charles Formula made, but I hope that the experimental small source-changes are not too much of a step backwards? I keep an eye on them myself, and you never know how the final result including compilation comes together -
(Obscure quote from the A-team TV series, Mr. T, also a chessplayer: "I love it when a plan comes together!") but if anybody else has an opinion please share !

I don't know if you already have Glaurung in your arsenal?

I have just finished testing Bright 0.2c and Glaurung is next on my list

And yes, Alaric was a great surprise!, it's great to have many interesting freeware engines around.

I agree!
Regards, Eelco

[bob]

Making such strong engines and then releasing them for free!? What is wrong with you? Didn't you know that people payed good money for fritz, junior, chesstiger 2007, and zappa. Only to see your free engine destroy them!! Shame Shame on you people.

Sign,
free strong engine hater

Could be worse.

Could be like Rybka, being sold, and beating every single engine on the market for 2 years, while the evil author shamelessly refuses to tell everyone how it was done.

Signed,

Even bigger commercial stronger engine haterer

I'm surprised you don't "get the point".

But that's life...

[ArmyBridge]

Though rybka wins many of its games, it's style lacks luster (kramnik like) and so no one cares. Not to mention that it is commercial. So when I lose I just say "oh, it should have won anyway" but Toga wins with style

Agreed. Currently, Toga Chekov is the second most aggressive engine that I have (even more aggressive than Loop!), second only to Shredder 10, but it plays stronger! So Toga wins in the aggressiveness/strength ratio.

I only hope that Rybka 3 will have some amazing playing style (because, I'm willing to buy it.)

Totally agree!
Maybe only Junior is more agressive than the new toga, few days ago, I run a small test with wild gambits, Toga II 3.1.2SE vs Rybka 1.0 chet this 2 games,
[Event "Rybka Toga, Blitz:4'+2""]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.01.19"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Toga II 3.1.2SE"]
[Black "Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B20"]
[PlyCount "81"]

{W=12.1 ply; 644kN/s
B=10.6 ply; 59kN/s
} 1. e4 c5 2. b4 cxb4 3. a3 bxa3 4.
Bxa3 {Ambos ultima jugada del libro 6} 4... Nc6 {9} 5. Nf3 {(Cc3) 6} 5... Nf6 {
3} 6. e5 {(Cc3) 6} 6... Ng4 {11} 7. d4 {11} 7... d5 {(Da5+) 9} 8. h3 {9} 8...
Nh6 {4} 9. c4 {(Cc3) 17} 9... dxc4 {(Cf5) 7} 10. Bxc4 {8} 10... b5 {(e6) 8} 11.
Bd3 {6} 11... b4 {(e6) 7} 12. Bb2 {5} 12... Be6 {(e6) 7} 13. Ra6 {(Cbd2) 8}
13... Rc8 {16} 14. Qa4 {9} 14... Bd7 {7} 15. Bb5 {8} 15... Nb8 {7} 16. e6 {
(Txa7) 7} 16... fxe6 {3} 17. Ne5 {7} 17... Rc7 {(Axb5) 5} 18. Rxe6 {5} 18...
Nf7 {(Axb5) 5} 19. Nxd7 {7} 19... Nxd7 {2} 20. O-O {5} 20... Nd6 {11} 21. Bd3 {
(Dxb4) 7} 21... Qb8 {(Cc4) 11} 22. Rfe1 {(Cd2) 12} 22... Kd8 {(Cf7) 4} 23. Bc1
{(Cd2) 5} 23... Nf6 {(Db6) 8} 24. Bf4 {(Ad2) 7} 24... Rd7 {10} 25. Nd2 {5}
25... g5 {(Cd5) 5} 26. Bxg5 {5} 26... Rg8 {(Ag7) 15} 27. Nf3 {(Axf6) 6} 27...
Qc7 {(Cfe8) 5} 28. Rc1 {5} 28... Qb7 {8} 29. Ba6 {(Tc6) 8} 29... Qxf3 {(Da8) 4}
30. Qa5+ {5} 30... Ke8 {3} 31. gxf3 {5} 31... h6 {3} 32. f4 {5} 32... hxg5 {10}
33. fxg5 {(Ab5) 5} 33... Kf7 {8} 34. Re5 {(Tc6) 11} 34... e6 {14} 35. h4 {
(d5) 8} 35... Be7 {(Tg7) 12} 36. Rce1 {5} 36... Bd8 {(Cd5) 30} 37. Qxb4 {
(Dc5) 3} 37... Nd5 {2} 38. Qa4 {(Db3) 3} 38... Re7 {5} 39. Qc6 {4} 39... Nf6 {3
} 40. Qxd6 {6} 40... Bc7 {2} 41. Qxe7+ {4} 1-0

[Event "Rybka Toga, Blitz:4'+2""]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.01.19"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit"]
[Black "Toga II 3.1.2SE"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B20"]
[PlyCount "108"]

{W=13.0 ply; 172kN/s
B=14.7 ply; 737kN/s
} 1. e4 c5 2. b4 cxb4 3. a3 bxa3 4.
Bxa3 {Ambos ultima jugada del libro 6} 4... Nc6 {8} 5. Nc3 {(Cf3) 10} 5... Nf6
{10} 6. Nf3 {17} 6... d5 {9} 7. Bd3 {5} 7... Bg4 {(d4) 9} 8. h3 {(e5) 11} 8...
Bxf3 {7} 9. Qxf3 {3} 9... d4 {14} 10. Ne2 {6} 10... a6 {(Dc7) 6} 11. O-O {2}
11... e6 {8} 12. Bxf8 {7} 12... Kxf8 {8} 13. Qg3 {(Df4) 9} 13... h5 {9} 14. f4
{6} 14... Nd7 {8} 15. Bc4 {16} 15... Rc8 {(Th6) 16} 16. f5 {2} 16... e5 {7} 17.
Rfb1 {(Db3) 5} 17... b5 {(Cc5) 6} 18. Bd5 {7} 18... Qb6 {7} 19. Qa3+ {11} 19...
Qc5 {(Cc5) 7} 20. Nc1 {5} 20... Qxa3 {4} 21. Rxa3 {2} 21... Ncb8 {5} 22. c3 {10
} 22... dxc3 {7} 23. dxc3 {6} 23... Ke7 {9} 24. Nd3 {7} 24... Rc7 {(Thd8) 7}
25. Nb4 {8} 25... Rh6 {6} 26. Bb3 {(Tc1) 4} 26... Kf8 {6} 27. c4 {(Cd5) 7}
27... bxc4 {4} 28. Nd5 {8} 28... Rc5 {(cxb3) 4} 29. Bd1 {4} 29... h4 {(Thc6) 6}
30. Be2 {6} 30... Rd6 {(Thc6) 5} 31. Kf2 {8} 31... a5 {5} 32. Rc3 {4} 32... Nc6
{5} 33. Rb7 {(Txc4) 6} 33... a4 {5} 34. Ke3 {9} 34... Kg8 {(Re8) 8} 35. Bd1 {
(Rf2) 4} 35... a3 {(Ca5) 21} 36. Rxa3 {1} 36... c3 {4} 37. Ra6 {(Ta2) 11} 37...
Nf6 {3} 38. Nxf6+ {6} 38... Rxf6 {3} 39. Ra2 {2} 39... Kh7 {4} 40. Rc7 {(Ac2) 3
} 40... Rd6 {3} 41. Bb3 {4} 41... Rd3+ {3} 42. Ke2 {5} 42... Nd4+ {6} 43. Kxd3
{1} 43... Rxc7 {1} 44. Bc2 {5} 44... Kh6 {(f6) 5} 45. Ra5 {5} 45... f6 {3} 46.
Ra1 {(Ta8) 3} 46... Kg5 {4} 47. Rf1 {4} 47... Ra7 {(Td7) 4} 48. Rf2 {3} 48...
Ra2 {3} 49. Kxc3 {2} 49... Rxc2+ {3} 50. Rxc2 {38} 50... Nxc2 {3} 51. Kxc2 {2}
51... Kf4 {3} 52. Kd3 {2} 52... Kg3 {2} 53. Ke3 {20} 53... Kxg2 {3} 54. Ke2 {2}
54... Kxh3 {3} 0-1

Regards

[Ovyron]

Hi Ulysses yes, I know but I am not quite sure if you mean if you also think it is stronger than Denis compile of my changed 'Toga Checkov' sources?

Yes, the original compile by Denis with your Chekov settings seems to play better (It scored better under the same conditions, and was able to beat Rybka 2.3.2a.)

I know just the settings seemed to work very well also in the compiled version that Charles Formula made, but I hope that the experimental small source-changes are not too much of a step backwards?

I was not able to run Charles Formula's compiles so I don't know if they play better.

I keep an eye on them myself, and you never know how the final result including compilation comes together -

Indeed, it seems that this is going in the right direction. It's even surprising that an engine tuned for test suites plays this good.

[Rolf]

Though rybka wins many of its games, it's style lacks luster (kramnik like) and so no one cares. Not to mention that it is commercial. So when I lose I just say "oh, it should have won anyway" but Toga wins with style

Agreed. Currently, Toga Chekov is the second most aggressive engine that I have (even more aggressive than Loop!), second only to Shredder 10, but it plays stronger! So Toga wins in the aggressiveness/strength ratio.

I only hope that Rybka 3 will have some amazing playing style (because, I'm willing to buy it.)

Totally agree!
Maybe only Junior is more agressive than the new toga, few days ago, I run a small test with wild gambits, Toga II 3.1.2SE vs Rybka 1.0 chet this 2 games,
[Event "Rybka Toga, Blitz:4'+2""]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.01.19"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Toga II 3.1.2SE"]
[Black "Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B20"]
[PlyCount "81"]

{W=12.1 ply; 644kN/s
B=10.6 ply; 59kN/s
} 1. e4 c5 2. b4 cxb4 3. a3 bxa3 4.
Bxa3 {Ambos ultima jugada del libro 6} 4... Nc6 {9} 5. Nf3 {(Cc3) 6} 5... Nf6 {
3} 6. e5 {(Cc3) 6} 6... Ng4 {11} 7. d4 {11} 7... d5 {(Da5+) 9} 8. h3 {9} 8...
Nh6 {4} 9. c4 {(Cc3) 17} 9... dxc4 {(Cf5) 7} 10. Bxc4 {8} 10... b5 {(e6) 8} 11.
Bd3 {6} 11... b4 {(e6) 7} 12. Bb2 {5} 12... Be6 {(e6) 7} 13. Ra6 {(Cbd2) 8}
13... Rc8 {16} 14. Qa4 {9} 14... Bd7 {7} 15. Bb5 {8} 15... Nb8 {7} 16. e6 {
(Txa7) 7} 16... fxe6 {3} 17. Ne5 {7} 17... Rc7 {(Axb5) 5} 18. Rxe6 {5} 18...
Nf7 {(Axb5) 5} 19. Nxd7 {7} 19... Nxd7 {2} 20. O-O {5} 20... Nd6 {11} 21. Bd3 {
(Dxb4) 7} 21... Qb8 {(Cc4) 11} 22. Rfe1 {(Cd2) 12} 22... Kd8 {(Cf7) 4} 23. Bc1
{(Cd2) 5} 23... Nf6 {(Db6) 8} 24. Bf4 {(Ad2) 7} 24... Rd7 {10} 25. Nd2 {5}
25... g5 {(Cd5) 5} 26. Bxg5 {5} 26... Rg8 {(Ag7) 15} 27. Nf3 {(Axf6) 6} 27...
Qc7 {(Cfe8) 5} 28. Rc1 {5} 28... Qb7 {8} 29. Ba6 {(Tc6) 8} 29... Qxf3 {(Da8) 4}
30. Qa5+ {5} 30... Ke8 {3} 31. gxf3 {5} 31... h6 {3} 32. f4 {5} 32... hxg5 {10}
33. fxg5 {(Ab5) 5} 33... Kf7 {8} 34. Re5 {(Tc6) 11} 34... e6 {14} 35. h4 {
(d5) 8} 35... Be7 {(Tg7) 12} 36. Rce1 {5} 36... Bd8 {(Cd5) 30} 37. Qxb4 {
(Dc5) 3} 37... Nd5 {2} 38. Qa4 {(Db3) 3} 38... Re7 {5} 39. Qc6 {4} 39... Nf6 {3
} 40. Qxd6 {6} 40... Bc7 {2} 41. Qxe7+ {4} 1-0

[Event "Rybka Toga, Blitz:4'+2""]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.01.19"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit"]
[Black "Toga II 3.1.2SE"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B20"]
[PlyCount "108"]

{W=13.0 ply; 172kN/s
B=14.7 ply; 737kN/s
} 1. e4 c5 2. b4 cxb4 3. a3 bxa3 4.
Bxa3 {Ambos ultima jugada del libro 6} 4... Nc6 {8} 5. Nc3 {(Cf3) 10} 5... Nf6
{10} 6. Nf3 {17} 6... d5 {9} 7. Bd3 {5} 7... Bg4 {(d4) 9} 8. h3 {(e5) 11} 8...
Bxf3 {7} 9. Qxf3 {3} 9... d4 {14} 10. Ne2 {6} 10... a6 {(Dc7) 6} 11. O-O {2}
11... e6 {8} 12. Bxf8 {7} 12... Kxf8 {8} 13. Qg3 {(Df4) 9} 13... h5 {9} 14. f4
{6} 14... Nd7 {8} 15. Bc4 {16} 15... Rc8 {(Th6) 16} 16. f5 {2} 16... e5 {7} 17.
Rfb1 {(Db3) 5} 17... b5 {(Cc5) 6} 18. Bd5 {7} 18... Qb6 {7} 19. Qa3+ {11} 19...
Qc5 {(Cc5) 7} 20. Nc1 {5} 20... Qxa3 {4} 21. Rxa3 {2} 21... Ncb8 {5} 22. c3 {10
} 22... dxc3 {7} 23. dxc3 {6} 23... Ke7 {9} 24. Nd3 {7} 24... Rc7 {(Thd8) 7}
25. Nb4 {8} 25... Rh6 {6} 26. Bb3 {(Tc1) 4} 26... Kf8 {6} 27. c4 {(Cd5) 7}
27... bxc4 {4} 28. Nd5 {8} 28... Rc5 {(cxb3) 4} 29. Bd1 {4} 29... h4 {(Thc6) 6}
30. Be2 {6} 30... Rd6 {(Thc6) 5} 31. Kf2 {8} 31... a5 {5} 32. Rc3 {4} 32... Nc6
{5} 33. Rb7 {(Txc4) 6} 33... a4 {5} 34. Ke3 {9} 34... Kg8 {(Re8) 8} 35. Bd1 {
(Rf2) 4} 35... a3 {(Ca5) 21} 36. Rxa3 {1} 36... c3 {4} 37. Ra6 {(Ta2) 11} 37...
Nf6 {3} 38. Nxf6+ {6} 38... Rxf6 {3} 39. Ra2 {2} 39... Kh7 {4} 40. Rc7 {(Ac2) 3
} 40... Rd6 {3} 41. Bb3 {4} 41... Rd3+ {3} 42. Ke2 {5} 42... Nd4+ {6} 43. Kxd3
{1} 43... Rxc7 {1} 44. Bc2 {5} 44... Kh6 {(f6) 5} 45. Ra5 {5} 45... f6 {3} 46.
Ra1 {(Ta8) 3} 46... Kg5 {4} 47. Rf1 {4} 47... Ra7 {(Td7) 4} 48. Rf2 {3} 48...
Ra2 {3} 49. Kxc3 {2} 49... Rxc2+ {3} 50. Rxc2 {38} 50... Nxc2 {3} 51. Kxc2 {2}
51... Kf4 {3} 52. Kd3 {2} 52... Kg3 {2} 53. Ke3 {20} 53... Kxg2 {3} 54. Ke2 {2}
54... Kxh3 {3} 0-1

Regards

Armando, please consider that Toga is the imbreeding sister of RybkaBeta. The latter 4 years old and the former always tuned against the older sister. Where is the surprise you want to publish? A RybkaBeta a little bit tuned over 4 years, if that wouldnt be a little bit stronger then I would declare the case as hopeless. But I have a second point. You still use and play and test with RybkaBeta.

Do you own a PC? Ok, so you have these 500 $$ for a PC but you dont have the 50 $$ for the better professional Rybka???

Isnt it a Punch and Judy Show what you are playing?

[gerold]

Though rybka wins many of its games, it's style lacks luster (kramnik like) and so no one cares. Not to mention that it is commercial. So when I lose I just say "oh, it should have won anyway" but Toga wins with style

Agreed. Currently, Toga Chekov is the second most aggressive engine that I have (even more aggressive than Loop!), second only to Shredder 10, but it plays stronger! So Toga wins in the aggressiveness/strength ratio.

I only hope that Rybka 3 will have some amazing playing style (because, I'm willing to buy it.)

Totally agree!
Maybe only Junior is more agressive than the new toga, few days ago, I run a small test with wild gambits, Toga II 3.1.2SE vs Rybka 1.0 chet this 2 games,
[Event "Rybka Toga, Blitz:4'+2""]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.01.19"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Toga II 3.1.2SE"]
[Black "Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B20"]
[PlyCount "81"]

{W=12.1 ply; 644kN/s
B=10.6 ply; 59kN/s
} 1. e4 c5 2. b4 cxb4 3. a3 bxa3 4.
Bxa3 {Ambos ultima jugada del libro 6} 4... Nc6 {9} 5. Nf3 {(Cc3) 6} 5... Nf6 {
3} 6. e5 {(Cc3) 6} 6... Ng4 {11} 7. d4 {11} 7... d5 {(Da5+) 9} 8. h3 {9} 8...
Nh6 {4} 9. c4 {(Cc3) 17} 9... dxc4 {(Cf5) 7} 10. Bxc4 {8} 10... b5 {(e6) 8} 11.
Bd3 {6} 11... b4 {(e6) 7} 12. Bb2 {5} 12... Be6 {(e6) 7} 13. Ra6 {(Cbd2) 8}
13... Rc8 {16} 14. Qa4 {9} 14... Bd7 {7} 15. Bb5 {8} 15... Nb8 {7} 16. e6 {
(Txa7) 7} 16... fxe6 {3} 17. Ne5 {7} 17... Rc7 {(Axb5) 5} 18. Rxe6 {5} 18...
Nf7 {(Axb5) 5} 19. Nxd7 {7} 19... Nxd7 {2} 20. O-O {5} 20... Nd6 {11} 21. Bd3 {
(Dxb4) 7} 21... Qb8 {(Cc4) 11} 22. Rfe1 {(Cd2) 12} 22... Kd8 {(Cf7) 4} 23. Bc1
{(Cd2) 5} 23... Nf6 {(Db6) 8} 24. Bf4 {(Ad2) 7} 24... Rd7 {10} 25. Nd2 {5}
25... g5 {(Cd5) 5} 26. Bxg5 {5} 26... Rg8 {(Ag7) 15} 27. Nf3 {(Axf6) 6} 27...
Qc7 {(Cfe8) 5} 28. Rc1 {5} 28... Qb7 {8} 29. Ba6 {(Tc6) 8} 29... Qxf3 {(Da8) 4}
30. Qa5+ {5} 30... Ke8 {3} 31. gxf3 {5} 31... h6 {3} 32. f4 {5} 32... hxg5 {10}
33. fxg5 {(Ab5) 5} 33... Kf7 {8} 34. Re5 {(Tc6) 11} 34... e6 {14} 35. h4 {
(d5) 8} 35... Be7 {(Tg7) 12} 36. Rce1 {5} 36... Bd8 {(Cd5) 30} 37. Qxb4 {
(Dc5) 3} 37... Nd5 {2} 38. Qa4 {(Db3) 3} 38... Re7 {5} 39. Qc6 {4} 39... Nf6 {3
} 40. Qxd6 {6} 40... Bc7 {2} 41. Qxe7+ {4} 1-0

[Event "Rybka Toga, Blitz:4'+2""]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.01.19"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit"]
[Black "Toga II 3.1.2SE"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B20"]
[PlyCount "108"]

{W=13.0 ply; 172kN/s
B=14.7 ply; 737kN/s
} 1. e4 c5 2. b4 cxb4 3. a3 bxa3 4.
Bxa3 {Ambos ultima jugada del libro 6} 4... Nc6 {8} 5. Nc3 {(Cf3) 10} 5... Nf6
{10} 6. Nf3 {17} 6... d5 {9} 7. Bd3 {5} 7... Bg4 {(d4) 9} 8. h3 {(e5) 11} 8...
Bxf3 {7} 9. Qxf3 {3} 9... d4 {14} 10. Ne2 {6} 10... a6 {(Dc7) 6} 11. O-O {2}
11... e6 {8} 12. Bxf8 {7} 12... Kxf8 {8} 13. Qg3 {(Df4) 9} 13... h5 {9} 14. f4
{6} 14... Nd7 {8} 15. Bc4 {16} 15... Rc8 {(Th6) 16} 16. f5 {2} 16... e5 {7} 17.
Rfb1 {(Db3) 5} 17... b5 {(Cc5) 6} 18. Bd5 {7} 18... Qb6 {7} 19. Qa3+ {11} 19...
Qc5 {(Cc5) 7} 20. Nc1 {5} 20... Qxa3 {4} 21. Rxa3 {2} 21... Ncb8 {5} 22. c3 {10
} 22... dxc3 {7} 23. dxc3 {6} 23... Ke7 {9} 24. Nd3 {7} 24... Rc7 {(Thd8) 7}
25. Nb4 {8} 25... Rh6 {6} 26. Bb3 {(Tc1) 4} 26... Kf8 {6} 27. c4 {(Cd5) 7}
27... bxc4 {4} 28. Nd5 {8} 28... Rc5 {(cxb3) 4} 29. Bd1 {4} 29... h4 {(Thc6) 6}
30. Be2 {6} 30... Rd6 {(Thc6) 5} 31. Kf2 {8} 31... a5 {5} 32. Rc3 {4} 32... Nc6
{5} 33. Rb7 {(Txc4) 6} 33... a4 {5} 34. Ke3 {9} 34... Kg8 {(Re8) 8} 35. Bd1 {
(Rf2) 4} 35... a3 {(Ca5) 21} 36. Rxa3 {1} 36... c3 {4} 37. Ra6 {(Ta2) 11} 37...
Nf6 {3} 38. Nxf6+ {6} 38... Rxf6 {3} 39. Ra2 {2} 39... Kh7 {4} 40. Rc7 {(Ac2) 3
} 40... Rd6 {3} 41. Bb3 {4} 41... Rd3+ {3} 42. Ke2 {5} 42... Nd4+ {6} 43. Kxd3
{1} 43... Rxc7 {1} 44. Bc2 {5} 44... Kh6 {(f6) 5} 45. Ra5 {5} 45... f6 {3} 46.
Ra1 {(Ta8) 3} 46... Kg5 {4} 47. Rf1 {4} 47... Ra7 {(Td7) 4} 48. Rf2 {3} 48...
Ra2 {3} 49. Kxc3 {2} 49... Rxc2+ {3} 50. Rxc2 {38} 50... Nxc2 {3} 51. Kxc2 {2}
51... Kf4 {3} 52. Kd3 {2} 52... Kg3 {2} 53. Ke3 {20} 53... Kxg2 {3} 54. Ke2 {2}
54... Kxh3 {3} 0-1

Regards

Armando, please consider that Toga is the imbreeding sister of RybkaBeta. The latter 4 years old and the former always tuned against the older sister. Where is the surprise you want to publish? A RybkaBeta a little bit tuned over 4 years, if that wouldnt be a little bit stronger then I would declare the case as hopeless. But I have a second point. You still use and play and test with RybkaBeta.

Do you own a PC? Ok, so you have these 500 $$ for a PC but you dont have the 50 $$ for the better professional Rybka???

Isnt it a Punch and Judy Show what you are playing?

Toga 3.1.2 se_p4_sse2 is much stronger than Fruit 2.3.1 and
stronger than Rykba 1.0 by the just about the same.
The latest verison of Toga is about 50+ points ahead of
either one. I don't think the best Toga is clone of Rybka 1.0.

Best to you,

Gerold.

[Albert Silver]

Posts like these are only an insult to the hundreds of authors of original work, it's not like there aren't other strong engines for you to play with besides toga/strelka&co.

It just shows a complete lack of character/lack of spine from you and other "supporters".

Damnit again I clicked on CCC this morning to see what's going on, I really should stop that.

Stan

I would never put Strelka and Toga in the same boat frankly. Toga is openly based upon Fruit 2.1's open source. Fruit 2.1 was made open source to be used, studied, and improved upon. Else what would the point be? If you compare Fruit 2.1 and where the strongest build of Toga is, I think it is impressive. Wrong would be to do it and pretend it was an original work, but so long as everyone know it is based upon the Fruit 2.1 source code, and it is released under the GPL as required, I see no issues with it.

Strelka is another story altogether, using the code of a closed engine, in which the author never intended for its innards to be made public. To do that was indeed a slap in the face.

Albert