How about Rybka vs the 'middle-tier' engines?

[Ovyron]

This is getting ridiculous. Rybka 2.3.2a was on a league of its own, and Rybka 3 will be on a league of its own.

We have two leagues with one engine each , I think other chess programmers have some homework left to do.

[Nimzovik]

Indeed....... I am quite astounded. Where is the competition? Looking at an SSDF list -11/07/07 Most recent(?) and comparing with historical lists if I recall correctly that other engines have maintained the lead for considerable time....... However I am beginning to have my doubts concerning the competition. It appears that past engine programmers are ...... experiencing some malaise or perhaps Shock and Awe and have silently admitted defeat. Perhaps we must look to some fresh minds that truly optimize utilization of current/upcoming hardware........ Has Theron gone the way of the Hirsch? Has Kittinger been found fossilized? These past tense programmers appear to have gone the way of the DO DO bird (in terms of chess programming that is...). Seriously no offense meant. Just stating the obvious. Indeed I can't say that thier reasons for leaving chess programming is wrong ...certainly not! It is thier lives! However the fossil record does seem to speak volumes here in terms of predicting this generation's (name your current programmer here- (Other than Vas obviously) of engine programmes future....

[Tony Thomas]

Indeed....... I am quite astounded. Where is the competition? Looking at an SSDF list -11/07/07 Most recent(?) and comparing with historical lists if I recall correctly that other engines have maintained the lead for considerable time....... However I am beginning to have my doubts concerning the competition. It appears that past engine programmers are ...... experiencing some malaise or perhaps Shock and Awe and have silently admitted defeat. Perhaps we must look to some fresh minds that truly optimize utilization of current/upcoming hardware........ Has Theron gone the way of the Hirsch? Has Kittinger been found fossilized? These past tense programmers appear to have gone the way of the DO DO bird (in terms of chess programming that is...). Seriously no offense meant. Just stating the obvious. Indeed I can't say that thier reasons for leaving chess programming is wrong ...certainly not! It is thier lives! However the fossil record does seem to speak volumes here in terms of predicting this generation's (name your current programmer here- (Other than Vas obviously) of engine programmes future....

The difference between Vas and most other programmers is that Vas is a full time computer chess programmer were as most others have another job. Also most people dont have anyone else helping them. I guess, if you send Larry down to Naum, Hiarcs or Shredder camp and let him work on the eval I am pretty sure they will make similar progress too.

[GenoM]

Indeed....... I am quite astounded. Where is the competition? Looking at an SSDF list -11/07/07 Most recent(?) and comparing with historical lists if I recall correctly that other engines have maintained the lead for considerable time....... However I am beginning to have my doubts concerning the competition. It appears that past engine programmers are ...... experiencing some malaise or perhaps Shock and Awe and have silently admitted defeat. Perhaps we must look to some fresh minds that truly optimize utilization of current/upcoming hardware........ Has Theron gone the way of the Hirsch? Has Kittinger been found fossilized? These past tense programmers appear to have gone the way of the DO DO bird (in terms of chess programming that is...). Seriously no offense meant. Just stating the obvious. Indeed I can't say that thier reasons for leaving chess programming is wrong ...certainly not! It is thier lives! However the fossil record does seem to speak volumes here in terms of predicting this generation's (name your current programmer here- (Other than Vas obviously) of engine programmes future....

What about these two?
"Currently Hydra team led by Abdul Mateen Khan, is working on 2 New Chess Projects, Cryptic and Shark.

* Cryptic runs on modern high speed multi-processor CPU. It is programmed in mixed C and Assembly Language. It is aimed to be the world's top single machine Chess Engine.
* Shark is network based deep search meta engine. It is based on unique idea by which it reaches to depth of 25+ easily with the help of only 6 CPUs in less than a minute. Currently a dual core CPU takes more than an hour to reach to this depth.
"
So it is not only Rajlich

[Uri Blass]

Indeed....... I am quite astounded. Where is the competition? Looking at an SSDF list -11/07/07 Most recent(?) and comparing with historical lists if I recall correctly that other engines have maintained the lead for considerable time....... However I am beginning to have my doubts concerning the competition. It appears that past engine programmers are ...... experiencing some malaise or perhaps Shock and Awe and have silently admitted defeat. Perhaps we must look to some fresh minds that truly optimize utilization of current/upcoming hardware........ Has Theron gone the way of the Hirsch? Has Kittinger been found fossilized? These past tense programmers appear to have gone the way of the DO DO bird (in terms of chess programming that is...). Seriously no offense meant. Just stating the obvious. Indeed I can't say that thier reasons for leaving chess programming is wrong ...certainly not! It is thier lives! However the fossil record does seem to speak volumes here in terms of predicting this generation's (name your current programmer here- (Other than Vas obviously) of engine programmes future....

What about these two?
"Currently Hydra team led by Abdul Mateen Khan, is working on 2 New Chess Projects, Cryptic and Shark.

* Cryptic runs on modern high speed multi-processor CPU. It is programmed in mixed C and Assembly Language. It is aimed to be the world's top single machine Chess Engine.
* Shark is network based deep search meta engine. It is based on unique idea by which it reaches to depth of 25+ easily with the help of only 6 CPUs in less than a minute. Currently a dual core CPU takes more than an hour to reach to this depth.
"
So it is not only Rajlich

Depth is simply nonsense.
It is easy to get depth of 25+ in 1 second if you do enough pruning.
bigger nominal depth does not mean better play so the comparison is nonsense.

The only relevant comparison is results of games.

Uri

[GenoM]

Indeed....... I am quite astounded. Where is the competition? Looking at an SSDF list -11/07/07 Most recent(?) and comparing with historical lists if I recall correctly that other engines have maintained the lead for considerable time....... However I am beginning to have my doubts concerning the competition. It appears that past engine programmers are ...... experiencing some malaise or perhaps Shock and Awe and have silently admitted defeat. Perhaps we must look to some fresh minds that truly optimize utilization of current/upcoming hardware........ Has Theron gone the way of the Hirsch? Has Kittinger been found fossilized? These past tense programmers appear to have gone the way of the DO DO bird (in terms of chess programming that is...). Seriously no offense meant. Just stating the obvious. Indeed I can't say that thier reasons for leaving chess programming is wrong ...certainly not! It is thier lives! However the fossil record does seem to speak volumes here in terms of predicting this generation's (name your current programmer here- (Other than Vas obviously) of engine programmes future....

What about these two?
"Currently Hydra team led by Abdul Mateen Khan, is working on 2 New Chess Projects, Cryptic and Shark.

* Cryptic runs on modern high speed multi-processor CPU. It is programmed in mixed C and Assembly Language. It is aimed to be the world's top single machine Chess Engine.
* Shark is network based deep search meta engine. It is based on unique idea by which it reaches to depth of 25+ easily with the help of only 6 CPUs in less than a minute. Currently a dual core CPU takes more than an hour to reach to this depth.
"
So it is not only Rajlich

Depth is simply nonsense.
It is easy to get depth of 25+ in 1 second if you do enough pruning.
bigger nominal depth does not mean better play so the comparison is nonsense.

The only relevant comparison is results of games.

Uri

Hi Uri
It seems you've missed "based on unique idea" part. Is pruning "unique idea"?
Regards,
Geno

[Nimzovik]

Hmmmmmmmmm sounds interesting.... I DO so hope that said programs or machines are available for those other than Bill Gates.....