41st Amateur Series Division 2

[Graham Banks]

41ST AMATEUR SERIES (Division 2)

Intel i5 Quad
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
WorldClass2012-3.cgb book
40 moves in 25 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL)
4 cycles 44 rounds
All engines 64-bit 1CPU where available

The top engine will gain automatic promotion and the bottom engine will gain automatic relegation. Any other changes of division will be at my discretion and may not necessarily involve playoff matches.

Standings after Round 42

28.0 - Booot 5.2.0 64-bit
27.5 - Quazar 0.4 64-bit
23.5 - Nemo 1.0.1 64-bit
23.0 - MinkoChess 1.3 64-bit
22.5 - Tornado 4.88 64-bit
22.0 - Toga II 3.0
21.5 - Frenzee 3.5.19 64-bit
20.0 - Dirty 20Apr2013 64-bit
19.5 - Texel 1.01 64-bit
16.5 - Scorpio 2.7.6 64-bit
14.0 - Octochess r4984 64-bit
14.0 - GNU Chess 5.50 64-bit


This tournament can be followed more closely from the following link, where games will also be available for download after every two rounds:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... f=7&t=7027

Alternatively, if you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://home.pacific.net.au/~tommyinoz/client.zip
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16001

[Graham Banks]

41ST AMATEUR SERIES (Division 2)

Intel i5 Quad
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
WorldClass2012-3.cgb book
40 moves in 25 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL)
4 cycles 44 rounds
All engines 64-bit 1CPU where available

The top engine will gain automatic promotion and the bottom engine will gain automatic relegation. Any other changes of division will be at my discretion and may not necessarily involve playoff matches.

Final Standings

29.5 - Booot 5.2.0 64-bit
28.5 - Quazar 0.4 64-bit
24.5 - MinkoChess 1.3 64-bit
24.0 - Tornado 4.88 64-bit
23.5 - Frenzee 3.5.19 64-bit
23.5 - Nemo 1.0.1 64-bit
22.5 - Toga II 3.0
21.0 - Dirty 20Apr2013 64-bit
20.5 - Texel 1.01 64-bit
17.5 - Scorpio 2.7.6 64-bit
15.0 - GNU Chess 5.50 64-bit
14.0 - Octochess r4984 64-bit


The complete tournament pgn (zipped) can be downloaded here:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=29541

[Andres Valverde]

Thx Graham, not bad for Dirty

[Graham Banks]

Thx Graham, not bad for Dirty

It's no mean feat to survive in Division 2.

[Daniel Shawul]

Thx Graham, not bad for Dirty

It's no mean feat to survive in Division 2.

Oh before i forget, after you suggested Dirty is stronger than scorpio i decided to watch live and got confused by what I saw. I don't know if there was a problem with TLCV but I observed weird behaviour three times. Some games of Scorpio seem to be replayed. On round 19 or 20 of scorpio against dirty , I saw scorpio won and had 10 points or something. It had again the same 10 points in the next round after a loss against another engine. Next morning i see that Dirty actually won and scorpio had 9 points! No engine had replay of games so i don't know how that happened. Then later after 8 or so rounds in a game against Dirty again the game was played twice. Scorpio had won both games against dirty which i saw being played, so it got the win anyway. I am not suggesting anything but I though i should report that behaviour.
Last but not least I would appreciate it if you keep your personal opinions of my engine to yourself. I can't make you do that but it will be appreciated if you did.

Daniel

[Graham Banks]

Thx Graham, not bad for Dirty

It's no mean feat to survive in Division 2.

Oh before i forget, after you suggested Dirty is stronger than scorpio i decided to watch live and got confused by what I saw. I don't know if there was a problem with TLCV but I observed weird behaviour three times. Some games of Scorpio seem to be replayed. On round 19 or 20 of scorpio against dirty , I saw scorpio won and had 10 points or something. It had again the same 10 points in the next round after a loss against another engine. Next morning i see that Dirty actually won and scorpio had 9 points! No engine had replay of games so i don't know how that happened. Then later after 8 or so rounds in a game against Dirty again the game was played twice. Scorpio had won both games against dirty which i saw being played, so it got the win anyway. I am not suggesting anything but I though i should report that behaviour.
Last but not least I would appreciate it if you keep your personal opinions of my engine to yourself. I can't make you do that but it will be appreciated if you did.

Daniel

Daniel - Scorpio is a great engine. I love it.

Sometimes games need to be replayed because of issues such as unfair opening lines,etc.

Please don't think that I have anything against yourself or Scorpio because that's not the case.
You've made and continue to make an excellent contribution to our hobby.
I apologise if I've offended you somehow, because that certainly wasn't my intention.

Scorpio 2.7.6 64-bit 4CPU will be playing in my next 4 cores tourney if you're interested.

Regards,
Graham.

[Daniel Shawul]

Ok it is your list you should do as you like, and i have no opinion of it. As to Scorpio, it doesn't matter to me if you think it is a good engine or not but consider my request for you not to comment on it. I like testers who doesn't have an emotional attachment to their list or any engine in particular. A little part of me thought you would say those things i saw didn't happen but credit to you gave your reasons. But sure you understand why i thought so. CEGT played more than 800 games and said scorpio is better overall, you come banging with 'scorpio 2.7.6 doesn't work', 'scorpio is weak even weaker than dirty after 9 games or so', and then i saw those game replays against dirty etc.
Well anyway if it makes you happy yes scorpio 2.7.6 seem to be particulary weak against a certain class of engines but at least it beats discocheck 51-19. Sorry Lucas, just a random dig

Bye
Daniel

[Graham Banks]

Ok it is your list you should do as you like, and i have no opinion of it. As to Scorpio, it doesn't matter to me if you think it is a good engine or not but consider my request for you not to comment on it. I like testers who doesn't have an emotional attachment to their list or any engine in particular. A little part of me thought you would say those things i saw didn't happen but credit to you gave your reasons. But sure you understand why i thought so. CEGT played more than 800 games and said scorpio is better overall, you come banging with 'scorpio 2.7.6 doesn't work', 'scorpio is weak even weaker than dirty after 9 games or so', and then i saw those game replays against dirty etc.
Well anyway if it makes you happy yes scorpio 2.7.6 seem to be particulary weak against a certain class of engines but at least it beats discocheck 51-19. Sorry Lucas, just a random dig

Bye
Daniel

For what it's worth, Scorpio has always been an engine I've particularly enjoyed watching.
I've got a Scorpio 2.7.6 64-bit gauntlet on my list of things to do.

I do enjoy some engines more than others, but that certainly doesn't affect the impartiality or accuracy of my testing at all.

CEGT do a great job and after 800 games, that should indeed be a fairly accurate indication of where Scorpio stands in relation to others.

And hey, I'm not perfect. I say things occasionally that end up being wrong or are interpreted in the wrong way.

Anyway, you have a nice weekend.