Werewolf wrote: ↑Fri Jan 07, 2022 7:43 pm
Even on my Win 10 machine the earliest it lets me go back is Win XP SP3
That's almost impossible!
If you check this compatibility box, then you can (and have to!) select the wanted Windows version from the menu below -
it shows all versions from Windows 95 to Windows 8.
I'm sure it shows those options on your machine, but I don't see them on mine. (Win 10 64, updates within a few days)
Here's a quick vid showing what I did so if I'm missing something please say:
It is too small, as Franz already said... even on 4K quality, at least for me. However, I see some things.
On Windows 10 here, I tried with a non-chess executable but I do not click on 'Troubleshoot compatibility' or whatever is called, but directly on Properties, then Compatibility tab. Good luck!
Werewolf wrote: ↑Fri Jan 07, 2022 7:43 pm
Even on my Win 10 machine the earliest it lets me go back is Win XP SP3
That's almost impossible!
If you check this compatibility box, then you can (and have to!) select the wanted Windows version from the menu below -
it shows all versions from Windows 95 to Windows 8.
I'm sure it shows those options on your machine, but I don't see them on mine. (Win 10 64, updates within a few days)
Here's a quick vid showing what I did so if I'm missing something please say:
It is too small, as Franz already said... even on 4K quality, at least for me. However, I see some things.
On Windows 10 here, I tried with a non-chess executable but I do not click on 'Troubleshoot compatibility' or whatever is called, but directly on Properties, then Compatibility tab. Good luck!
Regards from Spain.
Ajedrecista.
Thanks. It didn’t work, but it was a good idea.
Windows 11 has an even more restricted compatibility tab than Windows 10 - it only goes back to Vista!
Looks like Microsoft wants us to forget the past…
I only update one of my Windows 10 computers.
My other Windows computers have no internet access and are used mainly for chess.
Windows 10 versions 1703 and 1511 both show all compatibility options back to Windows 95 are available.
Windows updates are so time consuming compared to linux which I mainly use.
Colin-G wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 12:39 pm
I only update one of my Windows 10 computers.
My other Windows computers have no internet access and are used mainly for chess.
Windows 10 versions 1703 and 1511 both show all compatibility options back to Windows 95 are available.
Windows updates are so time consuming compared to linux which I mainly use.
Just for the record, my PC runs Windows 10 (20H2 version) and the versions supported in compatibility mode are:
Windows 95
Windows 98 / Me
Windows XP (Service Pack 2)
Windows XP (Service Pack 3)
Windows Vista
Windows Vista (Service Pack 1)
Windows Vista (Service Pack 2)
Windows 7
Windows 8
It would be great if the OS could be selected from a list when booting the system. I saw this option once with Windows 7, Unix and Linux. The original poster would be done if more than one Windows version could be stored, but I do not know if it is even possible.
Note that (at least in Win10) what you get on the Compatibility tab depends on the type of EXE you're looking at.
For 32-bit programs you see the full choice of 95/98/XP/Vista/7/8
For 64-bit programs the options are only Vista/7/8.
This is, I think, the easiest way to work out what type of program it is as I can't see anywhere in the file details that tells you if it's 32 or 64 bit.
GONeill wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 2:51 am
Note that (at least in Win10) what you get on the Compatibility tab depends on the type of EXE you're looking at.
For 32-bit programs you see the full choice of 95/98/XP/Vista/7/8
For 64-bit programs the options are only Vista/7/8.
This is, I think, the easiest way to work out what type of program it is as I can't see anywhere in the file details that tells you if it's 32 or 64 bit.
Great observation! I checked it with some different executables, some of them w32 and others x64. My copies of GNU Chess 5.50 are good examples:
GONeill wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 2:51 am
This is, I think, the easiest way to work out what type of program it is as I can't see anywhere in the file details that tells you if it's 32 or 64 bit.
There's another simple method for this:
open the exe-file with any fileviewer and look at the first few 100 bytes - you'll see the 2 letters "PE" (usually at addresses between 0x80 and 0x100), then 2 zero-bytes (0x00) and finally there's either a letter "L" or "d", i.e.:
"PE..L" stands for a 32bit executable, "PE..d" for 64bit.
Ajedrecista wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:36 pm
Hello Graham:
GONeill wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 2:51 am
Note that (at least in Win10) what you get on the Compatibility tab depends on the type of EXE you're looking at.
For 32-bit programs you see the full choice of 95/98/XP/Vista/7/8
For 64-bit programs the options are only Vista/7/8.
This is, I think, the easiest way to work out what type of program it is as I can't see anywhere in the file details that tells you if it's 32 or 64 bit.
Great observation! I checked it with some different executables, some of them w32 and others x64. My copies of GNU Chess 5.50 are good examples:
Name Date
gnuchess-5.50-32.exe 20-APR-2013 16:50h
gnuchess-5.50-64.exe 20-APR-2013 16:46h
Only four minutes of difference and your rule of the thumb holds.
Regards from Spain.
Ajedrecista.
The taskmanager also shows it. I would be surprised if it doesn't anymore? I am still on Win7 here.
32-bit applications are always shown with *32 at the end of the name. (e.g. FreeCommander.exe *32)
Werewolf wrote: ↑Fri Jan 07, 2022 7:31 pm
It won't even install on my Windows 11 machine. I'll try on a Win 10 device.
Well, installation might be a problem of course - I have just a installed zip-package of CM5000.
But you could try to also set this compatibility mode to the install/setup file, maybe this helps?
If not, then try to simply copy the CM5000 program files from the CD to your HD, maybe they run without installation?
Which file actually is the necessary .exe on CM5000? I assume you don't mean autorun or the setup folder.
I've almost given up but I just want to try a few more things.
Werewolf wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:27 pm
Which file actually is the necessary .exe on CM5000? I assume you don't mean autorun or the setup folder.
Yes, this file 'autorun.exe' in the 'setup' folder has to be run to install CM5000, because the program files are only created by this installation process.
But this 'autorun.exe' does not work in 64bit Windows (also compatibilty mode won't help here) - you definitely need a 32bit Windows to install ChessMaster 5000, but then it will also work in 64bit Windows (if you copy it to such a computer and set compatibility mode to Win 95 or 98).
