Super GM + Engine vs Rybka 3

[ArmyBridge]

It seems that we are reach the time where nobody, even a super GM, have a chance against Rybka 3, I wonder if a Super GM with engine help can beat Rybka 3 on octal system. There is a lote of combos that I would have put on, but I select the 2 strongers GM´s and select Fritz 10.1 because it´s a wild engine that can find tactics tricks, the same for Hiarcs 12 that is very dificult to beat in tactics field, and Zappa that is, from my point of view the closed Rybka rival.
Thanks!!

Hey Armando,you nasty boy,again you opened a big can of worms

Hi Dr. .. it was my intention!! maybe it would be read by a ChessBase team member and in the future we could see the real match of the century, a Super b Centaur vs The Chess Monster, just like the Olimpo God vs a Titan, we will see
Regards

[Uri]

I think that you are extreamly optimistic with the 2020 year issue

So you think it will happen sooner?

[M ANSARI]

I think with good hardware and a good engine ... any of the top GM's would probably beat Rybka 3 on good hardware. The edge of strong engines on computers is their incredible tactical ability ... if you take that away from them chances are that they will not seem very strong. I used to think that chess engines are generally positionally very weak ... but not anymore. I think you will find that there will be a lot of draws but in the end the super GM would come out ahead.

Now for the guys that think that mano a mano Kramnik or Anand or Kasparov or any other GM has a chance with no computer assistance ... are you serious? 2020 ??? where have you been?

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Hi Marc,
Agreed here,but as I've always said:
How many times will the super GM achieve such a position Exclamation Question
Even better:

Will the engine with it's tuned opening book for opening positions let the poor human get similar positions Exclamation Question
In general the humans are doomed and with the appearence of Rybka 3 the war is over and if anyone doubts my words,let him put the proof on the table for everyone to see,I don't accept empty words no more....

Dr. Deeb,

The question being ask (see the very first post in this thread) is: Will a combo of a Top GM (Anand, Carlsen, Kramnik or so ) *AND* a top program (Naum, Zappa, Hiarcs or so on a quad) prevail against unatended Rybka 8 cpus...

That is what I was answering. You obviously were answering something else.

I perfectly understand what you asked and my answer is still no

Great!,

We just agree to disagree! (that happens!).

I would put my money on Carlsen and 4 cpu's Naum or Zappa anytime against unatended Rybka 3 8cpu's...

Lets see if that happens in the future...

I guess we are both speculating here, the "proof" hasn't been done.... for either side.

Damn right,but still,I stick to my opinion

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

It seems that we are reach the time where nobody, even a super GM, have a chance against Rybka 3, I wonder if a Super GM with engine help can beat Rybka 3 on octal system. There is a lote of combos that I would have put on, but I select the 2 strongers GM´s and select Fritz 10.1 because it´s a wild engine that can find tactics tricks, the same for Hiarcs 12 that is very dificult to beat in tactics field, and Zappa that is, from my point of view the closed Rybka rival.
Thanks!!

Hey Armando,you nasty boy,again you opened a big can of worms

Hi Dr. .. it was my intention!! maybe it would be read by a ChessBase team member and in the future we could see the real match of the century, a Super b Centaur vs The Chess Monster, just like the Olimpo God vs a Titan, we will see
Regards

I do hope so,with Rybka involved with ChessBase,this could be a reality sooner than we think....

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

I think that you are extreamly optimistic with the 2020 year issue

So you think it will happen sooner?

It's already happening and soon everyone will see with his own eyes....

[Uri]

I played GMs in real life and i know that they still play better positional chess than computers. They understand strategical factors like mobility and pawn play much better than computers. Besides computers without their opening book are lost. Computers don't understand openings, that's why they play openings poorly.

[Karmazen & Oliver]

I think that it is not necesary a super GM, a normal GM with a normal engine. can win a r.

because ... a normal engine... avise to GM if he hava any error tactical and GM only necesary thinking in horizont problem engine R.

R 3 lost these match easy

[Anil]

Even though there are chess engines playing ELO 3000+, I believe that humans are still superior in planning and strategy. Only place where we may lose is due to mistakes. Another supporting chess engine (of almost 3000 ELO) would help reduce errors and also help in testing GM's theories/plans.

Anand knows to play well with technology and of the options suggested, I feel that he would have the best chance with Zappa Mexico II against Rybka 3.

[Karmazen & Oliver]

Even though there are chess engines playing ELO 3000+, I believe that humans are still superior in planning and strategy. Only place where we may lose is due to mistakes. Another supporting chess engine (of almost 3000 ELO) would help reduce errors and also help in testing GM's theories/plans.

Anand knows to play well with technology and of the options suggested, I feel that he would have the best chance with Zappa Mexico II against Rybka 3.

I think that it is not even necessary a super top engine... and neither it is necessary a great computer.

that alone it is good to face engine versus engines... where 1 ply or 2 ply have a lot of importance ...

with a rhythm that is not excessively quick, any engine but or less recent he/she/it ? can help any GM (it is necessary a GM that this accustomed one to use computers) to avoid tactical errors.

then alone he/she has to be devoted to win in the game strategic and to look for the situations key where the problem of the horizon of plays begins he/she is necessary to make havocs... on all engines.

one GM up +2500 with Chesstiger 2007, fritz, Wchess (?), can play very well versus R. ( free or not free, doesn't care, )

I think that a GM alone teacher needs tactical protection, among the plys 15-20... 5~7 moves... and this has it most of the current engines.

in fact, in the matches, many gm gets winning positions, but that they don't win, because they don't execute the end correctly, any recent engine can help them to finish off R ... (the book is important also)

I think that This is easy ... for same players..

in fact, in the competitions way centaur ( human+PC versus human+PC ), GM and MI they win the tournaments that quite slow computers and with normal engines...

this is a proven and verifiable fact.

bye from spain. OLIVER